Episcopal bishop of DC 'outraged' after Trump hosted a photo-op outside of one of her churches holding a Bible

@horgen: Because it helps suppressing votes?

Oh sweet. What do you think about Trump's photo-op and the Bishops reaction? Do you agree with Arlington County's actions as well?

Lets finally discuss the thread topic.

@dale_gunther: Fascists do have that power.

'He Did Not Pray': Fallout Grows From Trump's Photo-Op At St. John's Church

"He used violent means to ask to be escorted across the park into the courtyard of the church," Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington tells NPR's Morning Edition. "He held up his Bible after speaking [an] inflammatory militarized approach to the wounds of our nation."

"He did not pray," the bishop continued.

"He did not offer a word of balm or condolence to those who are grieving. He did not seek to unify the country, but rather he used our symbols and our sacred space as a way to reinforce a message that is antithetical to everything that the person of Jesus, whom we follow, and the gospel texts that we strive to emulate ... represent."

They have a good point.

@dale_gunther: Yes you are right, anti fascists congregate against fascists. We agree.

@dale_gunther: So the priests were antifa? Now that's a twist.

The sign in front of the church says all are welcome. I guess that is wrong.

It was closed. He just did a really weird photo op with a bible lol.

Priest among those police cleared from St. John's Church patio for Trump visit

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500628-priest-among-those-police-cleared-from-st-johns-patio-for-trump-visit

I think that's what he's talking about.

Don't speak for Catholics. trump is the anti thesis of what Jesus taught.

@LJS9502_basic:

Going by this forum's logic, isn't that the equivalent of a racist saying that they have a black friend?

The point of that post is simply to state that, with a few exceptions, you're not going to get someone that is pro-life to vote for a pro-choice candidate just because the pro-life candidate doesn't act "Christian" or "presidential" enough for them. It's like AOC saying that Biden is not progressive enough for her, so she's going to vote for Trump in protest.

The theory doesn't stop third-party votes, but most people would rather just do the lesser of two evils scenario between the Democrat and the Republican.

eh. i guess it really depends on where pro-life/choice falls in your hierarchy of important issues. if that were the only issue you disagree w/ a candidate on but it's down in the dirt as far as importance to you, i could see them voting for the candidate anyway.

That is true with people that are more apathetic about the cause, which is what I pretty much covered with the twice a year Christians statement. The whole "this will cost Trump the Christian vote" mantra certain people are trying to make out of this is not accounting for the ones that feel more strongly about their beliefs when it comes to abortion. Many of those people that feel more strongly about it will let it be a dealbreaker in regards to voting for Biden, just like how pro-gun voters are less likely to vote Democrat if we're talking about a candidate similar to Beto running.

Results are what a lot of people are more worried about, and it often takes a back seat to the character of the person bringing those results. That is why having the Civil Rights Act signed into law by a president that used the N-word more often than the words please and thank you doesn't stop the fact that the intended result of it being signed into law happened.

@phbz said:

@LJS9502_basic:

That was in His house ^^

But he's just saying I hate Christians because I'm a progressive, but I'm not even a progressive. It's a weird ass post in general.

That being said, in your example yes black friend excuse is lame. But the black fiance excuse would actually kinda work lol......I mean big doubts on a white guy marrying a black woman being racist.

What if he's blind? You bigot!

My ex-wife and her current husband both called me the N-word. So I wouldn't use the fiance excuse either.

You're making assumptions.

I said that there will be exceptions. I'm well aware of pro-life people that elect pro-choice candidates due to other issues they are worried about unrelated to abortion.

But a broad statement like "this may cost Trump the Christian vote" is a huge assumption not factoring in many other issues at hand.

Oh wtf!

Either way his entire post was fictional so it doesn't matter.

But yeah ordering the removal of peaceful protests so he can do very weird poses with a bible was a bad move, politically, IMO.

That was painfully awkward to watch.

It was eerie how there were sirens going on in the background.

That would piss me off if I were the priest at the church.

I love how you all defend the media is not part of the problem. They didn't even use tear gas.

https://thenationalpulse.com/news/there-was-no-tear-gas/

@Xabiss: Lots of eyewitnesses there including the religious leaders state tear gas was used.

Yeah because anyone that sees smoke automatically think tear gas. They said they just used smoke canisters and people not educated would think it was tear gas.

I think the point was they forced out peaceful protesters just so he could do extremely weird book poses. The issue was not the type of gas used...

The media did not forced Trump to do such a hugegaff.

Anyway,

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was speechless for over 20 seconds after he was asked to respond to the use of force on peaceful protesters in DC so Trump could pose for a photo

https://www.businessinsider.com/justin-trudeau-speechless-use-of-force-peaceful-protesters-trump-photo-2020-6

Even Justin was speechless.

And yet it effected their eyes...…...they were there...…….your conservative biased rag of a source is toeing the party line.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arlington-county-virginia-officers-washington-dc-tear-gas-protesters/

Funny how the police department says tear gas was used...……..are they not educated in their own tools?

Watching the video of the photo op, it's so fucking weird the posing he does with the bible

Trump is two steps away from seizing dictatorial power. All he needs to do now is suspend elections and initiate martial law. I give it 2-3 days before national martial law is started, and maybe a week for the suspension of the elections. This is 1930's Germany all over again.

Here you go, had nothing to do with Trump and no tear gas,

"

“At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids,” the USPP said in a statement. “The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.”

Still, the Park Police acknowledged using smoke canisters and pepper balls on the protesters.

“As many of the protestors became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls when protestors did scatter from the area," the statement said."

I'll have whatever this guy is having.

Read a history book.

Make that two.

Doesn't really matter, the issue people are having is the forceful removal of the peaceful protests just so he can have the strangest photo-op in history. The original debate was never which type of gas they used, that's absurd.

And it was a HUGE political fumble.

Ex-Defense official resigns from Defense Science Board, accuses Esper of violating his oath

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500822-ex-defense-official-resigns-from-defense-science-board-accuses-esper

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This was a STUPID move. Any political strategist will tell you this.

But he didn't do that. They removed the "protesters" because they were throwing things at the cops again and climbing over fences, etc.

From my quote above, “As many of the protesters became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls when protestors did scatter from the area," the statement said."

I did see a couple pictures, and he reminded me of Ricky Bobby not knowing what to do with his hands during an interview.

You know that quote is from the administration and not backed up by anyone there...…..so don't take it at face value since news agencies and witnesses dispute that.

So? So instead believe all the protesters that are recording everything for any slight evidence or reason to escalate?

I'm going to believe the official statement unless evidence proves otherwise.

Wow. Many many witnesses not just protestors but hey believe the propaganda.

Haha, and all these people know what tear gas feels like? All these people acting like morons out there are saying they were mistreated??Hmmmm Maybe you should follow your own advice buddy.

I won't believe a word anyone out there says without actual evidence. You believe what you want.

Holy crap now that is what the news should of reported instead of the lies they did. That is something I can absolutely agree on. Trump shouldn't have done it and he really should stop tweeting for a while also. The media really doesn't have to make up lies to make Trump look bad on this topic. I believe he has done a a good enough job on his own.

But, that is why they are part of the problem. They do these headlines and crap on purpose to piss people off.

@Chutebox said:

This isn't what the ground reporting shows,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-push-to-tear-gas-protesters-ahead-of-a-trump-photo-op/2020/06/01/4b0f7b50-a46c-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-church-visit-angers-church-officials

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/reverend-peaceful-protestors-tear-gassed-trump-bible-church-photo-op/

The peaceful protest was ended so Trump could have his corny photo-op. That's a fact. They would not have been forced to move if Trump decided not to do that.

He is bad at politics these days, this was a poor gaff.

It's not a fact. Please tell me how it's a fact that it was tear gas? Did they test it? Do those people know what tear gas feels like?

It's not a fact that it was peaceful as reports from the officials state otherwise. It's he said he said.