Fact check: Trump offers two falsehoods about Voter Fraud

Dude has to stop lying so much, there are people who believe this stuff.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/fact-check-trump-coronavirus-briefing-april-8/index.html

Trump falsely claims voter fraud is rampant in the US

In light of the effect the coronavirus is having on state primaries and issues of voting in general, Trump was asked on Wednesday night about his previous statements that mail-in voting is susceptible to fraud. While many experts have suggested mail-in ballots could be an effective solution to dealing with the virus, Trump again attacked them as corrupt, despite having voted that way himself, and, more broadly, falsely claimed that voter fraud was rampant throughout the country."There's a lot of fraudulent voting going on in this country," Trump said.

Facts First: Multiple studies over the years have confirmed that there is no widespread voter fraud in this country. Additionally, Democratic and Republican state officials routinely oversee elections where millions of people vote-by-mail without systematic problems.In response to the initial question from CNN's Jim Acosta, Trump also implied that mail-in voting was politically biased, claiming that states where all residents vote by mail are won by Democrats. That's also incorrect. Five states in the US vote by mail: Utah, Colorado, Hawaii, Washington and Oregon. Both of Utah's US senators and its governor are Republicans, and Colorado also has Republican US senator, Cory Gardner.

False claims of voter fraud in California

In an effort to support his claims of pervasive voter fraud, Trump cited a lawsuit in California involving conservative legal activist group Judicial Watch."There's evidence that's being compiled just like its being compiled in the state of California, where they settled with Judicial Watch saying that a million people should not have been voting," Trump said.

Facts First: That's false. There is no evidence for Trump's repeated suggestion of widespread voter fraud by non-citizens in California. Trump also incorrectly described California's legal settlement with Judicial Watch. The state made no admission of any voter fraud in its settlement.This is a claim Trump has made previously, and which we have fact-checked before.

I guess if you trick people about this it's easier to screw others over.

Repeat a lie over an over and people will believe it. This is the first step towards enacting voter suppression laws. Trump said it best the other day, if we made voting more accessible and easy, the GOP would be in trouble.

Preaching to the choir. His base believes what he says...….everyone else already knows this.

CNN is so unbias and the most trustworthy news outlet, it's know wonder they are the rated #1.

First of all your links

/faceplam

Also, there has not been any legitimate actual research looking into it, since no one and this is unfortunately on both sides what their dirty secrets aired,

And then, of course, this: So fraud is not actually correct term, considering California has made "fraud" legal.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-what-is-ballot-harvesting-in-california-election-code-20181204-htmlstory.html

California changed its rules before the 2018 midterm elections to allow persons other than family members to collect and submit ballots

As a former federal prosecutor who has investigated and prosecuted election fraud, I can vouch for the accuracy of your critique of California’s voting model (“Harvesting Democratic Votes,” Review & Outlook, Jan. 19). Most jurisdictions have long recognized that some absentee voting is necessary, but any ballot marked outside the supervised environment of an official polling place is potentially subject to undue influence or worse.

The first key to facilitating election fraud is getting names on the voter-registration...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/californias-vote-harvesting-pro-and-con-11548612867

Based on people and human nature and well, history, isn't it naive to stigmatize people as not acting on the up and up especially when it comes to politics? lol

Exactly, also Obama even told Dreamers and undocumented Latinos to go vote and they should not be afraid of INS.

Trump tried to investigate the voter fraud issue, of course the Democrats blocked it.

Of course they did, they stand to gain the most of illegals being able to vote.

Which is why California is among the first to legalize "voter fraud".

Actually what came out about voter fraud was the Republicans were doing it.

The Fact Check in the OP is still correct. This links contain multiple studies, which have not been debunked.

Trump was objectively incorrect.

Okay.

Opinion, Citation Needed.

Neither of these links show any rampant voter fraud or the objectively incorrect use of JW findings.

Trump was wrong.

What in those links is incorrect?

As far as mass voter fraud in CA due to illegals is concerned, here are the facts

• FACT CHECK: Trump Repeats Voter Fraud Claim About California https://www.npr.org/2018/04/05/599868312/fact-check-trump-repeats-voter-fraud-claim-about-california
• FACT CHECK: There was "serious voter fraud" in California. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/nov/28/donald-trump/pants-fire-trumps-claim-about-california-voter-fra/
• FACT CHECK: Trump again claims massive vote fraud. A massive search for evidence finds none. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-again-claims-massive-vote-fraud-massive-search-evidence-finds-n863096
• FACT CHECK: Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in this year's election? https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/nov/18/blog-posting/no-3-million-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/

TLDR: It's fake and bullshit. Like Alex Jones level.

Oh and,

Trump commission found no widespread voter fraud, report says

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-voter-fraud-commission-20180803-story.html

Teehee.

CNN doing fact checks is like China releasing facts regarding their corona cases.

And the 4 other ones cited above you?

How about you post proof of voter fraud? How about you post proof that policies implemented that increase voter turnout lead to higher chances of voter fraud?

There are several sites that have fact checked these objectively false claims on voter fraud. Like CNN they merely link to studies and data, and even Trump's own VF commission. I just kinda picked the site that had the latest article.

Also not a great analogy considering Trump's false statement sheet on corona.

Daniel Dale would be proud of this thread.

CNN is trashy, but they are legitimate.

@Stevo_the_gamer: Ok, how is CNN wrong? I’ll wait.

Trump and the GOP won and yet all they do is bitch about how the system [that put them in power] is rigged against them, how they're victims of the "deep state", how the media is after them, blah blah blah and wah wah wah.

Trump is and always will be a pathologically liar.

He's attempting to be witty by completely dodging the issue at hand. Those who support liars become more and more like them every day.

Trump is the author of lies.

You hear that?

Crickets from the trumpettes.

The Trumpers are literally delusional. In the words of Trump himself he could "walk down to 5th avenue, shoot someone, and they'd still love him."

I thought it was hyperbole at first too, but it may have been the most truth Trump has ever told.

@wizard: It's a personality cult.

You know the best part of this thread?

Despite all the facts and information presented, trumpettes, like the cowards they are, hide and refrain from posting and rebuking what's presented.

Hell, I'm still waiting for responses on the Trump ignoring intel on covid 19.

Trumpettes are cowards and frauds and nothing more. I wouldn't even consider them Americans anymore because no American - Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal - would screw over their own fellow American to "stick it to them."

While you're having a self-righteous moment of clarity in your post, maybe you should have considered the fact that the right-leaning posters don't spend all of their time in this forum looking for the latest Zayria anti-Trump thread to post in. Especially since several of them are flamebait and the most recent one to get locked was locked by whom is presumably a left-leaning mod.

Stop patting yourself on the back. A month ago when it was bought up by someone working on Bernie's campaign that the country should arrest Trump supporters and throw them in reeducation camps, you stated that you were only against it because it was "too expensive and ineffective," and you didn't seem to care about the fact that it would have been a huge violation of their civil rights.

The mod locked it because you derailed it. I'm sorry that your party does so much insane shit that merely quoting them or quoting a fact check verbatim seem like "flamebait".

That being said please try to stay on topic for once. No one wants to hear your constant whining about people talking about politics in "Political Gamers".

Incredible how stupid Trump bootlickers still haven’t provided one ounce of proof about voter fraud.

I didn’t derail a thing, I called you out on your usual BS. Maybe it’s a self-esteem thing for you to post these threads and have other anti-Trumpers flood into it and stroke your ego.

Stay on topic? Show me paperwork proving that you own Gamespot and maybe then I’ll care about what you want me to do in this thread. Otherwise, tough shit, I’ll do what I want while I’m posting here until a mod kicks me out.

Be sure to cross all of that out when you’re quoting me.

Uhhh....lol?

You want to discuss the topic yet?

Wow I'm sensing hostility tonight...……..

Nope, let someone else stroke your ego. Do something about it.

Lol, the OP used CNN as a source.

You'd rather faux?

If you don't like the simple fact check I quoted in the Original Post then don't respond to the thread.

If you think it is incorrect find citation showing so.

He's the POTUS, not some nobody congressman. I'll call out serious lies and this thread shouldn't be a surprise.

CNN used studies as their source, and multiple fact checkers made this same article on Trump's lies on voter fraud.

This isn't a real rebuttal.

Trump objectively lied. To say otherwise is to claim you can alter reality.

@LJS9502_basic: *Fox. Yes, they’re a more reliable source of news than the joke of the industry, CNN.

Then list the flamebait threads in this forum and how they're false. The threads presented factual information from reliable sources on important issues so if voting rights and the president not doing his job are "flamebait" threads then I feel sorry for you son. Sorry people take democratic values more seriously than you but I don't feel comfortable living in a country where a party wants to implement authoritarian and unfair policies and is intentionally incompetent.

Stop going on the makeshift podium and crying how liberals are mean to Trump and trumpettes. On November 2016, Trump was elected despite his tolerance for violence in his rallies, suggesting its okay to simply "grab them by the pussy," and so on. During his whole administration, there have been numerous civil rights violations (it's okay, they're jews illegal immigrants so it's okay to jail them and put them into camps) and fire government officials for simply doing their jobs because they were part of the impeachment process. You've made it clear that you don't seem to care about the fact that the Trump Administration is already violating the democratic process within this country and you're moaning about some Bernie campaigner and my sarcastic remarks?

I support the democratic process. I support equal rights and fair elections, a government that works for the people and a marketplace that is competitive and fair. I don't support Trump because he and his administration are the antithesis of a free and democratic nation (so not because he's "orange man bad" because that certainly fits your narrow viewpoint). So obviously, I don't want to see anyone get sent to reeducation camps.

Fox blatantly lies or ignore facts. So no.....they are not more reliable. The fact that your information comes from them however is inline with your posts. And why no one here takes you seriously.

Can you refute the studies they linked to or the other 4 fact checkers that said the same thing?

Come on guys. If you think what is presented in OP is false, provide something to back it up. You're all shooting the messenger and not the message. Your forum etiquette is horrible.

@Sevenizz If CNN lies so much, disproving OP should be a piece of cake. Yet you are all talk, no substance.

To all the people who attack the source based on the fact that it came from CNN, rather than what is actually written in the source,

@horgen: I would love it if those Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages were to end. I think I may have done this in the past, but I am trying my best to avoid it. Instead going into the article and explain why it is wrong.

It should be apparent that posters like Sevenizz are openly dishonest trolls. He's just playing a character.

You'd think so, but I know a LOT of people making the same arguments in real life. We live in a bizarre timeline.

Postmodernism in a nutshell.

Any sources that disagrees with my narrative are fake news. There are always alternative facts lying around. Fact Checking and Critical Thinking be damned. When fact-checked, handwave the fact checking as being fake news, the fact checker of being indoctrinated or a part of some conspiracy.

I remember when this same guy went all out on me for being swedish. Trying to promote some ethnonationalist narrative. When his narrative fell apart (at the slightest bit of scrutiny), I recall him throwing conspiracy theories against me claiming I was indoctrinated or something.

lol. A lot of salt in this thread.

Politifact does good work and at least attempts to be impartial.

Um sure, here's a local case in my area where an illegal immigrant voted for 20+ years and was prosecuted (voted recently for Trump no less!). The second bit is an odd request because "policies", whatever they may, do not exist in a vacuum are not independent of one another. Is there something particular you had in mind?

I don't doubt that's what transpired, but seeing CNN taking stabs at this invokes the same reaction most of you see when Fox News attempts any stabs at their own "fact checks."

Indeed! CNN is like the Motel 6 of hotels.

how strange