fighting ideology with weapons vs education

I just watched this video on youtube and although I agreed with some of what she said, the amount of crap she spewed is unbelievable. She didn't even answer the damn question: how do you fight ideology with weapons. It leads me to believe that the fight against terrorism is just another BS excuse to profit from war. Lets face it, if the US and the rest of the west really wanted to solve radical islamic terrorism, it would be fairly easy to do so. Just force the media in middle east to distribute scientific/educational material to challenge the junk religious brainwashing crap and the issue of radicals would be solved over a couple of generations. I think the establishment prefers the middle east to remain backwards...its the best way to profit isn't it? Otherwise, how would the military industrial complex survive?

The problems of this world are not simple, otherwise they wouldn't be problems.

Agreed, things are complex. But when you boil things down to money: dollars and cents....alot of the fog clears up pretty nicely.

That's a gross simplification of a complex issue.

Look at the Germanic tribes when they stood up to Rome, or the Native Americans when they opposed British settlers/Americans. Some peoples aren't interested in money or culture, they want to carry on with things as they have been.

^^^And even that is simplifying a complex issue

If force-feeding facts and Atheism was all it took to get people to renounce religion, then Christianity would already be gone in America except for a very few holdouts. In reality, a lot of religious families just kept their kids away from the most extreme examples of anti-religious media. While Atheism is growing here, it is far from the majority.

Then, you leave the US, where Christianity is the majority, and go to a place like Afghanistan, where Islam is the majority. Over there, they don't have the First Amendment like we do here. While they may "allow" some non-Muslims to worship as they please (or not worship at all), they are heavily discriminated against. When I was there for a nine month deployment, they blocked anything that was contrary to Islam. They blocked YouTube for almost three months after that "Innocence of Muslims" video came out. I glanced at a movie they were playing locally from overseas, and when there was a woman on it wearing a dress that goes to her knees and a short sleeve shirt, they actually blurred out her arms and legs.

Afghanistan is one of the lenient ones. You should see how strict Saudi Arabia is with their Internet. The only way the west would be able to force those governments to show the science and other materials you assume will eventually turn radical Muslims into peaceful atheists over a few generations is through force, to include overthrowing those governments.

I just listened to Brigitte Gabriel on Dave Rubin's show. For your video, TC, she just went on a rant and didn't even answer the question. I'm curious though, what did you think was "unbelievable"?

The more I hear about this, more I think the anti-immigration folks have the right idea; circle the wagons, let these countries do their things, keep them the hell away from us, and if they die out well they die out. Maybe they will see Allah is not so great after all and realize religion is not the answer, but being pragmatic is.

I don't really believe that, but sometimes I want to.

because according to her, retaliation is the only option. That the only way to bring order and stability to the middle east is by force. She didn't once answer the question...how do you fight an ideological war with weapons? Instead she went on a rant about radical muslims. The answer is simple, you can't win an ideological war with weapons. You can only beat misinformation with information. Since she brings up 9/11 and how it cost 3000 lives...the fact is that millions of people died because of the war on terrorism.

But is the issue misinformation? Not all radicals are uninformed nor uneducated. How would you deal with those particular people?

they are all brainwashed at an early age, and brainwashing is extremely effective. Just look how many people voted for trump. How many people think trickle down economics, ie cutting taxes for the rich will bring prosperity to the masses. Tens of millions of americans voted against their own interests again and again. I call them sheep, but generally they are poor and call themselves conservatives. How do you deal with those people?

One thing at a time. They're brainwashed, you say. Do we attempt to "deprogram" them, and how? Perhaps for the mass sheep it would be beneficial, "to force the media in the middle east". How is that obtained without force? Are the kings, princes, and rulers of those regions likely to allow that type of information to spread?

Sure, ultimately a nefarious ideology is only truly eradicated through education.

In the meantime you kill them or they kill you.

And that's that.

Well fight it by changing the ideology, Christianity had a reformation and there are Muslims who wish to do something similar however they have met resistance from sjws, feminists and msm not to mention the extremists who want them dead or threaten their friends.

Thats because its a rather broken question. Its not accounting for the fact that within religion, there is always sects that want people dead and want control. They want to enforce their religion on everyone else, religion itself as an ideology was the first written totalitarianism. It commands control of everyone and everything and by its nature it will always breed extremists because this is the literal text.

The better question is how do you fight an ideology that wont allow for secularism?

This is where you get into the layers of these issues.

Yes we can point out that Bush seemed to have a greater interest in Halliburton and Blackwater, but that is one persons reasoning. That does not erase those who felt it was a good idea to go into Iraq and stop what was happening. It does not change the fact that Iraq was a hostage situation and that the "stability" people like to reference was happening because Saddam kept the wolves at the door by murdering everyone. I went with Iraq because its the more clear cut example and the thing that kicked this all off.

People always profit in war. It is what it is. Even the US, when you hear republicans tout this idea that war is good for the economy, its because of WW2. Even with the most noble of causes someone is profiting, that does not erase legitimacy.

Do you honestly think this has not been attempted?

I highly suggest you look into why this does not happen.

Do you remember the "bring back our girls" thing? These things happen because they are getting educations and these extremist groups cannot allow for this. You cannot have a western (secular, scientific) education in the regions dominated by these groups.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont, right?

America and the UN attempted to get many of these areas to take that oil money, allow for a democracy, and do better. This is not an easy job, its something that will encounter extremists and sadly war is needed. When they did this, they are considered imperialists, world police, attempting to change everyone.

When they dont, we see these situations of totalitarian states where anyone who claims to be a humanitarian or concerned with human life, would be crying for intervention.

So.... what do you do?

So, in your mind are these people just gathering up all the locals and saying "Hey, lets fight against America and be terrorists!" Or are you understanding of the real issues here? The terrorism being referenced is basically a desire to impose Sharia law on the world. They are not simply coming together as one and fighting America, they are slaughtering everyone of other religions and belief systems. More middle eastern people are dying and have died at the hands of "terrorists" and the promotion of Sharia, than America is responsible for. This is actually one o fthose points that many people simply dont understand. These people are doing far more damage to their own, for simply not believing exactly the same religious sect as them, than we are or ever have. That is why these are "hostage situations".

The US can't even solve issues of violence within some black communities (gang violence in Chicago). If we can't solve such a small issue, within our own country - how exactly do you figure that we can solve this much larger issue that's occurring on the other side of the world?

Radical Islam is a loaded term. Islam itself is a radical ideology. The modern, currently distributed version of the Quran itself preaches death to non-believers. And then you're going to ask why people become "radical terrorists?".

@blaznwiipspman1: lol yeah because that works on Christianity in America so it'll definitely work on Islam in the middle East.

This. It is not either/or, it is both.