Florida starts turning on DeSantis

Florida starts turning on DeSantis

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Covid infection rates continue to climb as the state faces shortages of health care staff, morgue space and even oxygen for patients. About 16,000 people are hospitalized. Child infection rates have shot up. School districts — even in Republican strongholds — have rebelled against DeSantis’ anti-mask mandates. And cruise lines are resisting DeSantis’ vaccine passport ban. Even his recent poll numbers are slipping.

It’s new terrain for a Republican governor who defied dire expectation during the first wave of Covid-19 but has continued his hands-off approach as the more contagious Delta variant infects large swaths of Florida’s unvaccinated population.

The most recent defeat came Friday when Leon County Circuit Court Judge John Cooper ruled DeSantis can’t punish school districts for passing mask mandates, as his administration had threatened after instituting emergency rules aimed at banning mask mandates in schools. The DeSantis administration has said those districts are breaking the law, an assertion directly refuted in a blistering ruling from Cooper read from the bench during a nearly two hour hearing.

Infection rates for kids under 12, who are not yet eligible for the vaccine, last week increased to 23 percent, up from an average of 15 percent since March 1. Nearly 17,000 Covid-19 patients are in hospitals, far above the 2020 peak. And Florida’s nearly 1,500 deaths reported last week was by far the biggest single seven-day increase since the state started reporting Covid-19 data.

DeSantis' losses over Covid-19 policy have not been confined to land.

Disney, one of Florida’s largest Republican donors, this week joined Carnival, Norwegian and Royal Caribbean in requiring vaccines for passengers older than 12. The wave of cruise operators requiring vaccines was, in part, prompted by vaccination requirements for cruise passengers put in place by the government of the Bahamas, which is the first stop for most major cruise ships. It’s a direct violation of DeSantis-pressed legislation that bars vaccine passports as well as guidance from the federal government over cruise ship safety.

What Went Wrong With the Pandemic in Florida

What Went Wrong With the Coronavirus Pandemic in Florida - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Unlike in places like Oregon,which is clamping down again, adopting even outdoor mask mandates, Mr. DeSantis continues to stay the course, hoping to power through despite the devastating human toll. A Quinnipiac University pollreleased this past weekfound that Mr. DeSantis’s approval rating was 47 percent.

He and other state officials have sought to steer away from measures that could curtail infections, banning strict mask mandates in public schools.

This Desantis guys kind of seems like an absolute maniac. The anti-science nonsense seems to not work well. It's probably best to listen to the medical experts, CDC, and facts rather than some far-right lunatic on Youtube.

Took them long enough.

@xdude85: Only if we get to do the same with Cali.

It's sad that it took the suffering of children to get some to wake up to how serious this is. DeSantis is another one of those people who should never be given an ounce of power. His complete lack of empathy and proud display of ignorance is costing lives.

His approval rating is still 47 percent?

With polarization you're going to see much smaller margins and on approval rating dips and surges. Trump never fells below ~35% and higher than ~42% for most of his term.

@vfighter: 🤦‍♂️ California needs to be its own country anyway, im tired of Republicans hurting it. But could you stay on topic.

@vfighter: California isn't a blight to the world, but nice try though.

And yet, Florida is still significantly below New York in death toll and the vast majority of New York's death toll happened in a single city. With Florida having a higher percentage of elderly, they should have surpassed NY months ago. As of August 27th, NY, PA, NJ, IL, GA, MI, AZ, MA, IN, LA, AL, OK, CT, MS, AR, NV, NM, RI, SD, ND all have a higher rate per 100,000 when compared to Florida.

This idea that the death rate or toll in Florida is something significant and somehow proves the efficacy of vaccine and mask mandates is... fake news as Florida is still well behind several states that did all these things.

Yeah because it spread before the trump admin bothered to tell us about it. NYC gets a lot of traffic. If you want to stop being dishonest and compare the current rates when we have vaccines then Florida is much higher than your cherry picked list that takes last year into account.

What a f ucking take right here.

"New York has 54,000 dead, Florida only has 44,000 dead. Completely different scenario!"

Do you mean back in January when Trump shut down travel from China and you people called him a racist xenophobe for it? You know who else gets a lot of traffic though? Florida.

@xdude85: Florida is the worst it's ever been. There's no getting through to the neighsayers.

Are you really that out of touch?

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@LJS9502_basic: Trump supporters will never stop pushing that lie.

So how does it feel to know that Florida isn't even close to one of the worse off states despite having a larger percentage of a more vulnerable population and none of the mandates?

i lve in fl. people that voted for him. are turning against him.

@girlusocrazy: Yeah, that's what's nuts. A locale or district wants to implement a mandate? Statewide ban on mask mandates!

He's actively preventing people from taking action against it.

@eoten: Making stuff up now?

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/

Then USA's average HDI/QOL and GDP would plummet. Cali, while clearly has issues in SOME areas, is still better than most Red States going by these important studies.

We have multiple peer reviewed studies and the scientific consensus already doing that for us.

DeSantis is low IQ. He is botching his states Covid response given recent data. He is objectively making mistakes.

Almost all of his posts in any science related thread are fictional.

He's a walking meme.

@zaryia: Wait until Elder fucks it up.

Florida is doing poorly for Covid-19. Anything else is spin.

What Went Wrong With the Coronavirus Pandemic in Florida - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Florida COVID update: case, death, vaccine count | Miami Herald

Microsoft PowerPoint - weekly dashboard template (miamidade.gov)

oof,

Florida radio host 'Mr. Anti-Vax' dies of COVID-19 | TheHill

NY's 7-day avg daily death count is 1/10(!) that of florida with its daily infection count and current hospitalizations 1/5 that of florida

how is it a state that was such a clusterfuck at the start of the pandemic is now crushing florida in these metrics?

face reality.

floriduh's policies blew it big time.

Today. That wasn't the case a couple months ago though was it? Where were you comparing daily state death tolls when it was it was blue states' turns?

@eoten: Nobody had a turn, and comparing death tolls have been going on since day 1. These are only a big deal when blue states get hit.

I think it's pretty gross that people are making it out like DeSantis's behavior is OK because their "per 100,000 people" ratio is slightly lower than other states. That being actively anti-mask and anti-vaccine and targeting a CDC official ("Don't Fauci my Florida") who is trying to help is justifiable because they only lost 40,000 people instead of 50,000 people.

This isn't a competition folks. It's simply a matter of doing what you can to help people.

@xdude85 said:

Hey now, give them a chance. They finally seem to be coming to their senses.

Besides, I need my "A Florida man..." articles and orange juice.

Nah, y'all can't afford to :D

We'll see how the US does without the world's 5th largest economy (1/7 of the US's total GDP).

You're stuck with us hippies and filthy liberals.

You're making it a big deal right now and it's not a blue state, so your logic is flawed. I think people like you desperately want a higher death toll in states like Florida so you can say "I told you so" but when you actually look at the numbers, Florida still has a long, long way to go before it gets close to NY, NJ, etc.

How many got to get vaccinated for the charade to end?

As someone who lives in the country with the best vaccine roll out in the world I must say I recommend it to anyone. We still have the anti vaccine/mask tards but they're not really an issue, more like comic relief with their t-shirt with grammatical errors and dumb slogans.

it's pretty clear floridumb's policies are making things worse.

Yet, still not as bad as New York and Michigan policies made things, according to statistics, and fact. And that really ticks some of you off, that people aren't dying as fast as you were hoping they would be going against Fauci's dictations.

Why lie? Peer reviewed studies DIRECTLY disagree with you verbatim,

States with Republican governors had highest Covid incidence and death rates, study finds

All while you will never find a peer reviewed study that explicitly says the opposite.

Florida is currently doing bad. DeathSenatis completely mishandled this. This is a FACT. ANYTHING else is spin.

@comp_atkins said:

@eoten said:

@comp_atkins said:

@eoten said:

And yet, Florida is still significantly below New York in death toll and the vast majority of New York's death toll happened in a single city. With Florida having a higher percentage of elderly, they should have surpassed NY months ago. As of August 27th, NY, PA, NJ, IL, GA, MI, AZ, MA, IN, LA, AL, OK, CT, MS, AR, NV, NM, RI, SD, ND all have a higher rate per 100,000 when compared to Florida.

This idea that the death rate or toll in Florida is something significant and somehow proves the efficacy of vaccine and mask mandates is... fake news as Florida is still well behind several states that did all these things.

NY's 7-day avg daily death count is 1/10(!) that of florida with its daily infection count and current hospitalizations 1/5 that of florida

how is it a state that was such a clusterfuck at the start of the pandemic is now crushing florida in these metrics?

face reality.

floriduh's policies blew it big time.

Today. That wasn't the case a couple months ago though was it? Where were you comparing daily state death tolls when it was it was blue states' turns?

it's pretty clear floridumb's policies are making things worse.

"But if you compare it to when we didn't have a vaccine and when it first hit our shores, FL is doing good!....right guys?"

lol dumb

Please be bait.

@zaryia said:

@comp_atkins said:

@eoten said:

@comp_atkins said:

@eoten said:

And yet, Florida is still significantly below New York in death toll and the vast majority of New York's death toll happened in a single city. With Florida having a higher percentage of elderly, they should have surpassed NY months ago. As of August 27th, NY, PA, NJ, IL, GA, MI, AZ, MA, IN, LA, AL, OK, CT, MS, AR, NV, NM, RI, SD, ND all have a higher rate per 100,000 when compared to Florida.

This idea that the death rate or toll in Florida is something significant and somehow proves the efficacy of vaccine and mask mandates is... fake news as Florida is still well behind several states that did all these things.

NY's 7-day avg daily death count is 1/10(!) that of florida with its daily infection count and current hospitalizations 1/5 that of florida

how is it a state that was such a clusterfuck at the start of the pandemic is now crushing florida in these metrics?

face reality.

floriduh's policies blew it big time.

Today. That wasn't the case a couple months ago though was it? Where were you comparing daily state death tolls when it was it was blue states' turns?

it's pretty clear floridumb's policies are making things worse.

"But if you compare it to when we didn't have a vaccine and when it first hit our shores, FL is doing good!....right guys?"

lol dumb

You do realize the vaccination rate in Florida is on par with the national average, right?

California by most objective standards is a shithole.

@silentchief: Only conservatives say that because it votes blue. Arizona is a shithole. Mississippi is as well. California is a beautiful diverse state that happens to cost too much.

No it's not. Much of the south is though.

You have to wonder what, if any, impact these deaths will have on votes in purple-ish states.

Florida changed its COVID-19 death data just as surge began | Miami Herald

Florida Withholds Money From Schools Over Mask Mandates - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Shitshow

California objectively has a higher Human Development Index and Quality of Life than most Red States. That is it's a better place to live in on average than most Republican controlled States.

So if CA is "objectively" a shit hole, I can only imagine what you think of a majority of Red States.

Never said otherwise. This seems like an attempt at Spin.

However blindly listing FL's overall rate isn't the end all be all of the story. It's way more nuanced than this, look at counties and communities,

Florida is overwhelmed with new Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations

About half of Florida residents, 52 percent, are fully vaccinated, according to the Times’s data. That’s not terrible — Mississippi and Alabama currently rank last, with less than 38 percent — but it’s not great either. The Sunshine State is 25th among states in vaccination rate.

Florida is not a monolith; some communities have much higher levels of protection than others. Case levels trend accordingly, with the less vaccinated areas seeing more spread. In counties with more than 1,000 new cases per 100,000 people, vaccination rates are stuck in the 30s and 40s.

Counties with vaccination rates of 60 percent or above are still seeing a significant amount of spread. But it’s substantially less, sometimes by more than half, than the worst-off areas, according to the state’s data. Less vaccinated counties have been driving the current wave.

“Insufficient vaccine coverage is contributing a lot,” Cindy Prins, a University of Florida epidemiologist, told me.

And the same for the national average itself, it's being brought down by Red Counties.

Anyway Florida is doing poorly. This is a fact,

• Why Florida’s Covid-19 case and death numbers are so bad during the delta surge - Vox
• What Went Wrong With the Coronavirus Pandemic in Florida - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
• Florida COVID update: case, death, vaccine count | Miami Herald
• Microsoft PowerPoint - weekly dashboard template (miamidade.gov)

Covid infection rates continue to climb as the state faces shortages of health care staff, morgue space and even oxygen for patients. About 16,000 people are hospitalized. Child infection rates have shot up. School districts — even in Republican strongholds — have rebelled against DeSantis’ anti-mask mandates. And cruise lines are resisting DeSantis’ vaccine passport ban. Even his recent poll numbers are slipping.

It’s new terrain for a Republican governor who defied dire expectation during the first wave of Covid-19 but has continued his hands-off approach as the more contagious Delta variant infects large swaths of Florida’s unvaccinated population.

The most recent defeat came Friday when Leon County Circuit Court Judge John Cooper ruled DeSantis can’t punish school districts for passing mask mandates, as his administration had threatened after instituting emergency rules aimed at banning mask mandates in schools. The DeSantis administration has said those districts are breaking the law, an assertion directly refuted in a blistering ruling from Cooper read from the bench during a nearly two hour hearing.

Infection rates for kids under 12, who are not yet eligible for the vaccine, last week increased to 23 percent, up from an average of 15 percent since March 1. Nearly 17,000 Covid-19 patients are in hospitals, far above the 2020 peak. And Florida’s nearly 1,500 deaths reported last week was by far the biggest single seven-day increase since the state started reporting Covid-19 data.

DeSantis' losses over Covid-19 policy have not been confined to land.

Disney, one of Florida’s largest Republican donors, this week joined Carnival, Norwegian and Royal Caribbean in requiring vaccines for passengers older than 12. The wave of cruise operators requiring vaccines was, in part, prompted by vaccination requirements for cruise passengers put in place by the government of the Bahamas, which is the first stop for most major cruise ships. It’s a direct violation of DeSantis-pressed legislation that bars vaccine passports as well as guidance from the federal government over cruise ship safety.

DeathSantis screwed up. Anything else is spin. His "hands-off" approach is a shitshow, sadly he isn't so hands off when it comes to wanting to ban mandates. Anti-Science scum.

Florida Covid: Ron DeSantis Stands Against Mask, Vaccine Mandates Despite Delta - Bloomberg

Ngl if I lived in California and worked for Google making $180K+ getting taxed the hell out of, I'd have long moved out and into a decent red Midwestern state where I'd live in a massive house and have a significantly higher QOL than I would have in California.

Wouldn't be surprised if others are doing that now that working from home (virtually) is supposedly permanent if you work for Google. Makes sense to combine blue state wages with red state costs of living to get the best of both worlds. California couldn't compete.