GOP will no longer participate in presidential debates

You got it. The organization picked scully. He should have never been picked.

So wait...you and SargentD went from telling me the 2020 Presidential debates had 3v1, a Biden staffer was a moderator, and there were homecourt advantages.....

To now admitting it didn't actually happen.

@zaryia said:

@silentchief said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

He was picked, he should have never been picked.

So wait...you and SargentD went from telling me the 2020 Presidential debates had 3v1, a Biden staffer was a moderator, and there were homecourt advantages.....

To now admitting it didn't actually happen.

It did happen.. Who picked the moderators? This is your second goalpost move btw after the clear cheating in the 2016 election you had to move to 2020 and the number of networks.

They shouldn't have an issue every year with this. They should agree to fix it and move on.

Man all they do is lie.

That wasn't a goal post move. Why would the GOP cancel the 2024 debates due to a one time 2016 occurrence....and not skip the 2020 ones? 🤣 That excuse does not hold up. I required 2020 proof of real bias within debate moderation.

They are a bunch of soyboys to run scared from these debates, with their little henchmen finding pitiful excuses.

You both literally lied and said there was 3vs1 debates, homecourt advantages, and that a Biden staffer moderated the debates. This literally did not occur.

I can quote you both. Own up to it.

@silentchief said:

@zaryia said:

@silentchief said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

He was picked, he should have never been picked.

So wait...you and SargentD went from telling me the 2020 Presidential debates had 3v1, a Biden staffer was a moderator, and there were homecourt advantages.....

To now admitting it didn't actually happen.

It did happen.. Who picked the moderators? This is your second goalpost move btw after the clear cheating in the 2016 election you had to move to 2020 and the number of networks.

They shouldn't have an issue every year with this. They should agree to fix it and move on.

They put out the statement. Read it.

Background Info:

• Restoring faith in our elections means making sure our candidates can compete on a level playing field.
• Today, the RNC has voted to withdraw Republican participation from the biased Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD). The rule change is the culmination of a year-long process.
• To be clear: we are not walking away from debates. We are walking away from the CPD.
• It is biased and does not serve the interest of the American people.
  • Waiting until 26 states had begun early voting before hosting the first presidential debate in 2020.
  • Making unilateral changes to previously agreed-upon debate formats and conditions, in some cases without even notifying the candidates.
  • Selecting a moderator in 2020 who had once worked for Joe Biden.
  • Failing to maintain the organization’s strict nonpartisanship, with a majority of its Board Members publicly disparaging the Republican-nominee.
• Chairwoman McDaniel and RNC officials repeatedly asked the CPD to reform and make changes to future debates to ensure a fair and impartial forum – unfortunately, the CPD was unwilling to make commonsense reforms.
• The Republican Party deserves better. The American people deserve better.
• We know that when Republicans have a free and fair forum, we win because our policies are best for the American people.
• We look forward to exploring other avenues for candidates to have a free and fair forum for all Americans.
• Ronna McDaniel: The RNC Is Fighting for Fair Debates

https://gop.com/press-release/rnc-unanimously-votes-to-withdraw-from-commission-on-presidential-debates/

They feel the CPD is bias and the CDP is refusing to change. So they said fine, we opt out.

Id like to see a new organization take a stab at it. If not we don't miss much. The debates have been pretty worthless last 2 cycles.

If the Majority of the Board members of the CPD are openly shitting on their candidate I don't see why they should have to play in their arena.

Its like the rich kid inviting other kids to come over and watch them play with their toys.

Its a waste of time.

@zaryia:

You both literallyliedand said there was 3vs1 debates, homecourt advantages, and that a Biden staffer moderated the debates.

Lol stop lying. I never mentioned a Biden staffer.

1. They got caught feeding questions to Hillary Clinton in 2016

2. Asked George Stephanopoulos to moderate in 2016 but he pulled himself!

3. Picked scully who was Anti Gop in 2020. The debate was canceled due to the format change.

That's three issues in two elections. Agree to the simple reform and move on?

@sargentd said:

@silentchief said:

@zaryia said:

@silentchief said:

He was picked, he should have never been picked.

So wait...you and SargentD went from telling me the 2020 Presidential debates had 3v1, a Biden staffer was a moderator, and there were homecourt advantages.....

To now admitting it didn't actually happen.

It did happen.. Who picked the moderators? This is your second goalpost move btw after the clear cheating in the 2016 election you had to move to 2020 and the number of networks.

They shouldn't have an issue every year with this. They should agree to fix it and move on.

They put out the statement. Read it.

https://gop.com/press-release/rnc-unanimously-votes-to-withdraw-from-commission-on-presidential-debates/

Sounds like a cult news letter. But with a lot of whining, crying, and lies.

@zaryia: yeah you call everything not pushed by the DNC as cult shit, so really nothing new.

same old song and dance

@zaryia said:

@sargentd said:

@silentchief said:

@zaryia said:

@silentchief said:

He was picked, he should have never been picked.

So wait...you and SargentD went from telling me the 2020 Presidential debates had 3v1, a Biden staffer was a moderator, and there were homecourt advantages.....

To now admitting it didn't actually happen.

It did happen.. Who picked the moderators? This is your second goalpost move btw after the clear cheating in the 2016 election you had to move to 2020 and the number of networks.

They shouldn't have an issue every year with this. They should agree to fix it and move on.

They put out the statement. Read it.

https://gop.com/press-release/rnc-unanimously-votes-to-withdraw-from-commission-on-presidential-debates/

Sounds like a cult news letter. But with a lot of whining, crying, and lies.

So you don't want an even playing field, we get it. We knew that already.

Nope,

So where was the debate with a home field advantage? You said they can't otherwise, but they did debates. Where was the advantage for debates that took place?

Did you lie in the above quote? Seems so.

This appears to be another lie. You said they can't debate unless it's 3v1, but they did debate. So which was 3vs 1 in 2020?

What debates in 2020 were not an even playing field?

Sounds like more fake outrage.

@silentchief said:

@zaryia:

You both literallyliedand said there was 3vs1 debates, homecourt advantages, and that a Biden staffer moderated the debates.

Lol stop lying.

@zaryia:

Nope,

Well at least you admit to it. No point in carrying on a conversation with you.

@zaryia:

This appears to be another lie. You said they can't debate unless it's 3v1, but they did debate. So which was 3vs 1 in 2020?

Not at all. Chris wallace sucked . Let Biden off on his green new deal question and interrupted Trump whenever possible. Then the bitch moves to CNN ( a terribly untrustworthy network no better then Fox).

This thread turned out just as expected. Trump cultists defending it on the grounds of bias, when in reality they're chicken sh*ts. Just imagine having to get on stage and say:

'The 2020 election was stolen, I have zero evidence, and everyone is against me. Oh, by the way, just ignore 1/6 insurrection and my attempts to decertify and overturn an election. I LOVE DEMOCRACY!!!.'

That's the GOP platform and it's quite indefensible. This is even ignoring their sh*tty, pro-rape baby bills passing, ignorant platform on CRT, and book banning.

Lol your the party that wants to teach gender and sex education to 5 year olds. And pro rape baby bills? Wtf are you talking about psycho? Your side votes to kill babies in mass. All your crying and bitching won't matter by the end of this year. You all are going to get TROUNCED! And the Meltdowns will be glorious!!!

Where is the being taught? Show me the school district and curriculum.

Of course, your side wants to force rape victims to give birth. If your side puts forth and institutes bills with no exceptions, you get to own it. Nuff said.

I've already broke this down for you in multiple threads. Go to the last one you asked this question. Leftist are crying about a common sense bill in Florida. There is a thread on it.

I'm not going to be accused of derailing another one as every other leftist in this thread will ignore you asked the question.

So cannot show me which school district has this in their curriculum. Got it. Spreading disinformation again.

You're not discussing any of this in good faith. The last debates were not so long ago that you already forgot the controversies surrounding them, even some people suggesting someone more neutral like Joe Rogan moderate one, or with Chris Wallace's political leanings, and his actions during the debate he moderated.

The debate formula is old and outdated anyway. Newer technology is available, more parties can and should be represented. The debate commission is largely what is responsible for gate keeping the US as a defacto two-party system. Not that many parties of the same class of political hacks would be that much better though.

There is no redeeming quality for the debate commission to continue to exist, and without GOP participation, it's no longer relevant.

It's a response to a rant, try to follow a quote chain.

Sure I can.

What's the point though? It has nothing to do with this thread and you will ignore it.

I'm not paying to read that and it says they want to, not that they are in the headline. Try again.

That should be enough , as I specifically said " your side wants" to teach it. However it's already happening.

I can do this all day as it's happening all over the country.

Yeah they really have no platform, just weird culture war nonsense.

Well apart from that, they can trick people on who to blame for the inflation and gas prices (which started under Trump). This is what will most likely cost the Dems these midterms. When it comes to that kinda stuff, It's whoever is in charge, not whose fault it is.

Bahaha..

The cope is hilarious. Inflation wasn't even close to this under Trump nor was Gas. Wtf are you blabbering about? Your party sucked and this year they are going to get wiped out! 😆😆😆.

Cope harder.

You sound deranged with this QAnon spam. Nothing I wrote was wrong. Calm down.

If the GOP were so confident in these lies on primarily blaming Biden for inflation/gas/war sticking, they wouldn't bow out of such easy 2024 debate wins right?

Unlike the current GOP, Democrats are not a monolith. Not sure why your side is so afraid of education. Unless it's because your ideology is unhealthy and less popular.

Second link is optional FYI. Try again.

I know you dont trust Academia, but you may look into the actual reasons proposed by economists as to why the gas prices are so high. It has nothing to do with biden. And the economy, both the recovery and the inflation would have happened regardless of Trump or Biden being in office.

Reminds me of the saying: you can lead a horse to water.....

Yup, and I said it before and I will say it again. this post truth political era of "I don't trust you" is really dangerous.

In the case of a pandemic, it takes lives, lots of them. How many would have lived had people listened to experts? How many climate change related deaths could have been avoided if we listened to the scientists?

It depends on the field to be specific. Many economists do in fact do put much of the blame on Biden. To say it has nothing to do with Biden is false just as it is false to say it has everything to do with him. But his specific lack of action in certain areas is why we are where we are.

Please don't tell me your one of those people who blamed Trump for Hurricanes?

Many economists blame bidden for gas prices? lol OMG...

I was talking about inflation to be exact and yes that has to do with gas prices. How is that green energy push working for us?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnists/2022/03/28/biden-gas-prices-russia-ukraine/7036418001/.

What is hilarious are the leftist who blamed hurricanes on Trump.

Presidents have very little sway on a country's economy. Arguably the main driver, is people's lives returning to "normal" following COVID-19 lockdowns and restrictions.

Pretty much every country is hit with inflation. We call this a global inflation for a reason.

Such a random and out of left field question deserves no other response.

I literally had to google about people blaming Trump and all I found were trolls blaming Obama, to rile up gullible people.

@Maroxad:

Presidents have very little sway on a country's economy. Arguably the main driver, is people's lives returning to "normal" following COVID-19 lockdowns and restrictions.

Wow that's a new one. When it's bad President has little control and we're not responsible, when it's good " we did that"... interesting.

@Maroxad:

Such a random and out of left field question deserves no other response.

I literally had to google about people blaming Trump and all I found were trolls blaming Obama, to rile up gullible people.

Let me help you in case it's behind a pay wall Click on this.

The president of the US does not create global inflation. Anyone who says that is a fool, including your "economists".

Arguably the biggest indicator of how well an economy does is the global economy. Even the golden economy we had under Obama, or Bill Clinton were primarily due to things other than them. Sure things like the stimulus package helped in the short term. But by and large, there are other factors. You should know this stuff...

I cannot access that article in particular because of paywall, and the stuff on Fox News seemed like a massive strawman. The most likely thing they are insinuating at, is that they are blaming Trump for his dismal handling of hurricanes. Which is something I know Washington Post have been doing.

And this would be accurate. Presidents while nowhere near as powerful as people like to believe, have the ability to usually handle crises like these.

Policy matters, you should know this. Let's link direct failures of this administration to current problems.

1. The housing market crisis: Housing is now at an all time high. Much of this has to do with multi trillion dollar companies buying homes in record numbers so they can rent them out to tenants. Although this has always happened it is now happening at a record pace since last year. Legislation needs to be passed to curb this.

2. The stock market is tanking: Much of this has to with fear of Bidens capital gain taxes which would be the largest in history. He also wants to tax unrealized gains which although this may effect the wealthy the most it has caused fear In the markets

3. Rising Gas prices: Bidens new focus on green energy is at a bad time, as most simply are not ready for prime time. He has continued to raise the leases on land for oil companies in a time where production is already low.

And no it had nothing to do with how he handled the hurricane crisis. It was that is policies effected the climate leading to hurricanes.

But he threw paper towels in Puerto Rico.

Due to a lack of good information on the first 2 I am not going to comment much. I would rather wait for more academic information before drawing conclusoins on those 2.

However. 3...

Are you new to the Hydrocarbons industry by any chance? Fossil Fuels prices are infamous for being unstable. What we are seeing now, is the prices going up dramatically not just because of one crisis, but 2. COVID 19 and Russia. Blaming Biden on something that is a global issue is really silly.

I read the Fox News article, what I read implied WaPo blaming trump for his dismal standing. As well as his callous approach to Climate change leading to future disasters like this. This also lines up with what they have been saying for a while. And what is supported by the scientists. Albeit in a less clickbaity fashion.

Maybe you should listen to the bright greens for once. moving away from the dependancy of such an unstable resource is one of the reasons we want to shift to renewables.

Either way, I think we are going off topic.

The fact is, Moderators are hard on Republicans because their job is to be fair, not neutral. We might see a moderator call Biden out on his lack of action in regards to the housing market though. And the lack of real solutions. Thanks to the republicans chickening out however, we will not be seeing this.

If it's a thread specifically about the GOP, you bet it'll somehow end up a thread about the same old Biden lies. And from the same 2 conservative posters in almost every thread.

Sigh.

Exactly, they don't want any part of it because it's rigged from the onset in favor of the Democrats. I could barely stomach watching the past couple because it's so one sided it's sickening. The padded questions were funny to say the least.

Let's see a presidential debate set up by an independent news agency, or with both candidates searched for mics and questioned by the audience instead.

Something the losing side always says.😄

Do you have a report or study that shows the 2020 Trump vs Biden debates were in general biased against Trump?

Or is this just your whining opinion?

@Maroxad said:

@silentchief said:

Policy matters, you should know this. Let's link direct failures of this administration to current problems.

1. The housing market crisis: Housing is now at an all time high. Much of this has to do with multi trillion dollar companies buying homes in record numbers so they can rent them out to tenants. Although this has always happened it is now happening at a record pace since last year. Legislation needs to be passed to curb this.

2. The stock market is tanking: Much of this has to with fear of Bidens capital gain taxes which would be the largest in history. He also wants to tax unrealized gains which although this may effect the wealthy the most it has caused fear In the markets

3. Rising Gas prices: Bidens new focus on green energy is at a bad time, as most simply are not ready for prime time. He has continued to raise the leases on land for oil companies in a time where production is already low.

And no it had nothing to do with how he handled the hurricane crisis. It was that is policies effected the climate leading to hurricanes.

Due to a lack of good information on the first 2 I am not going to comment much. I would rather wait for more academic information before drawing conclusoins on those 2.

However. 3...

Are you new to the Hydrocarbons industry by any chance? Fossil Fuels prices are infamous for being unstable. What we are seeing now, is the prices going up dramatically not just because of one crisis, but 2. COVID 19 and Russia. Blaming Biden on something that is a global issue is really silly.

I read the Fox News article, what I read implied WaPo blaming trump for his dismal standing. As well as his callous approach to Climate change leading to future disasters like this. This also lines up with what they have been saying for a while. And what is supported by the scientists. Albeit in a less clickbaity fashion.

Maybe you should listen to the bright greens for once. moving away from the dependancy of such an unstable resource is one of the reasons we want to shift to renewables.

Either way, I think we are going off topic.

The fact is, Moderators are hard on Republicans because their job is to be fair, not neutral. We might see a moderator call Biden out on his lack of action in regards to the housing market though. And the lack of real solutions. Thanks to the republicans chickening out however, we will not be seeing this.

I have no issue with moving away from fossil Fuels however we need to do it in a manner where green energy is reasonable and effective. It's simply not there yet and doing anything that would decrease production at a time like this calls for criticism.

The reforms they have asked for are pretty reasonable. I'm not sure what the problem is. They cam always go to a different organization. It seems like they are willing to debate, they just want someone else picking the moderators.

Renewable energies have been perfectly viable and cost effective in the past decade or so. It is only going up from here too.

Their reasoning is rooted in persecution complex. There is nothing reasonable about these demands. They are acting like children.

Again, they may not have been treated neutrally, but they have been treated fairly.

The opinion of David Bernhardt. Yeah, Biden is setting the international prices of cheerios. lol

@zaryia: "Do you have a report or study that shows the 2020 Trump vs Biden debates were in general biased against Trump?"

He was likely asked not to stalk and walk on the heels of his opponent on stage during those debates. Totally one sided affair. =P