GOP will no longer participate in presidential debates

What's mathematically impossible?

Huh? A 65%/35% split is not a hive mind.

California election results 2020: Live results by county (nbcnews.com)

Also I would personally prefer PV over EC. Empty farm land and lower educated states deciding the win is meh, IMO. A relic of the past.

That being said, we can improve our EC system quite a bit by making it far easier to vote. US elections rank VERY poorly. Same day or automatic registration would be nice, and more polling places in certain areas.

Hmm, seems like most parents didn't fall for the fake outrage,

Most parents don't disapprove of what schools are teaching, poll finds : NPR

Parents report improvements in their child’s educational attainment compared to last year | Ipsos

• Three-quarters of parents (76%) say their child’s school does a good job keeping them informed about the curriculum, including potentially controversial topics. No differences exist by party affiliation.

That is one of the largest gaps by any state... so yes that's a hive mind.

Higher educated yet less successful has made people Democrats as they exit college with their worthless degrees and mountains of debt.

Except it's not, and as usual you have no fucking clue what your're talking about.

False. https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/california-cant-and-wont-dominate-national-popular-vote-president

Lol what bull shit lunacy is that? It compares California to the south central states and calls it fair? That's the problem, that one state alone has more voters than TN, MS., AR, GA , and KY combined and skews more Democrat then any of those skew Republican.

Imagine defending the Electoral College. It VERY much is a handcap, as it allows some citizens votes to be more equal than others. Sometimes 3 times as much. SImply due to where they live. Of all the countries looking at and taking inspiration from US's electoral system NO one ever replicated the electoral college, even other federations.

This is also really self destructive, when you consider it gives far more power to ignorant people than it does people with high levels of education.

California isnt a hive mind and while I am at it... neither is New York which was 61/30.

A state like Wyoming is far more of a hive mind with 69/27

Awesome! You literally argued for one our main positions for us. If not THE biggest one depending on who you ask.

Bipartisanship for the win.

Good grief, they're on this crap again.

Then just say it's a large gaps, which many states had. If we're going to start calling something a hive mind because of a ~15% difference from the average, we're in trouble. And a lot of Republican votes from CA end up not mattering due to this system.

Red-herring, I mentioned education by state, not an income of a demographic. Doesn't change my point and claim. I'm glad many Republican citizens enjoy success from areas that provide a superior education, which are usually Blue. I would prefer a PV that many countries which a much higher election score than USA have.

Of course everyone here knows we won't be changing to PV any time this century. This is all a very subjective discussion. It's best we try to improve our EC, since that's more realistic. Which we easily can, if it wasn't for mostly one side.

Seems like valid opinion and discussion to me,

American elections ranked worst among Western democracies. Here’s why. | AP News

@silentchief: Oh hell yes! Get rid of the Citizens United impact!

Just think, it may also incentivize people in normally blue/red states as they can directly contribute towards a popular vote. There's no reason to be using the EC today, we're not a slave holding agrarian country that is being held together with paperclips and glue. It's a bygone relic and should be discarded as such.

Hell, we've even changed it several times since then as well. Before the last century our reps directly voted for the president and the people never did. It's totally feasible to change it and anyone indicating otherwise is a liar.

@Maroxad:

Awesome! You literally argued for one our main positions for us. If not THE biggest one depending on who you ask.

Bipartisanship for the win.

Let's get read of dark donor's as well. We need to know where that money comes from.

@zaryia:

Then just say it's a large gaps, which many states had. If we're going to start calling something a hive mind because of a ~15% difference from the average, we're in trouble. Anda lotof Republican votes from CA end up not mattering due to this system.

Because it's one of the largest gaps in a state that has the most voters.

@zaryia:

Red-herring, I mentioned education by state, not an income of a demographic. Doesn't change my point and claim. I'm glad many Republican citizens enjoy success from areas that provide a superior education, which are usually Blue. I would prefer a PV that many countries which a much higher election score than USA have.

Of course everyone here knows we won't be changing to PV any time this century. This is all a very subjective discussion. It's best we try to improve our EC, since that's more realistic. Which we easily can, if it wasn't for mostly one side.

Doesn't matter your entire argument is off topic ramblings. You tried to act as if red states votes should count less ( due to lack of education) . I'd hate to inform you but the quality of university had nothing to do with the state it's in and when we get right down to demographics Republican's on average are more successful then Democrats. I'll bring that " EVERYTIME" you try to imply Republicans are dumb... it's so ironic considering on average they are More successful.

It is no surprise the party that wants felons and 18 year olds to vote wants to abolish the EC.

This is why I favor getting rid of the EC in the first place. As it is as of now, republicans in blue states and democrats in red states might as well not vote. They will still count as having voted for the party they voted against. That is disgustingly anti-democratic.

I oppose the Electoral College after hearing the plight of republicans, because unlike for some. I value democracy over partisanship.

I also have a hunch that having most states go Winner Takes All in the electoral college also results in a lot of this black and white thinking. Imagine calling California a hive mind when roughly a third are clearly dissenting from the norm. That doesnt sound like a hive mind to me.

And I fear a good chunk of this unhealthy thinking stems from the electoral college and 2 party system.

Agreed.

I don't think a 15% difference compared to the average constitutes as a mind hive. For example, 32-37% of CA's votes not counting every 4 years sucks. One of the reasons many dislike the EC system over PV.

This entire topic we are discussing is off-topic rambling. My particular mention of a less educated state votes counting more didn't seem too off-topic from from that quote chain.

They shouldn't. The problem I had was these less educated states count MORE currently.

This is a red-herring, by definition. You can always bring it up when I mention education by state, and I'll always strike it out.

Red states have a worse education, and worse educated people in them. What you wrote does not change this.

That's not ironic at all, nor does it clash with my statements. Several of them can be living in Blue states or received an education from Blue states. People with a college education earn 50% more on average than those without.

What's wrong with this?

Our elections rank very low.

@zaryia:

They shouldn't. The problem I had was these less educated states count MORE currently.

So you want them to count less then they do now! Stop contradicting yourself.

@zaryia

That's not ironic at all, nor does it clash with my statements. Several of them can be living in Blue states or received an education from Blue states. People with a college education earn 50% more on average than those without.

It just appears Republicans get those degrees that actually allow them to make make money. So stop implying the party is predominantly poor uneducated morons when on average their more successful.

@zaryia

What's wrong with this?

You want the least informed voting.

Edit: I said 18 year olds when in fact I meant 16 year olds as that was legislation brought on by the left.

I do not want votes from Red states to count less than Blue states. I want them EQUAL. Less than they do now, which for some States (including some Blue?) is currently more than other states. It's skewed, not everyone's vote technically counts the same at the moment per state (and some cases not at all). Which is one of the reason many are against the PV, we want everyone's vote to be the same and to count. 1:1. Common sense.

What you wrote has nothing to do with a particular STATE being less educated and offering a lesser education. I think everyone's vote should be equal. Not some trash State counting more because some backwards outdated rules.

But as I've said 3 times now, this is not going to change for a long time if at all. It's best we improve our EC by significantly improving turnout. Same day and automatic registration for the win.