'He's a patriot': Republicans defend key impeachment witness from attacks

@zaryia: Well first you need to learn to debate. Like state a debateable point. That may be a start.

Like the time you implied Republicans were more likely to be poor and then I utterly destroyed you.

Please make a thread with a debateable point and I will stomp you again and again.

Back on topic: I don't know but ultimately it won't matter. None of that testimony was a smoking gun. Keep wishing and hoping lol.

Straw man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.^[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition.[2][3] Straw man arguments have been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly regarding highly charged emotional subjects.

Straw man tactics in the United Kingdom can be known as an Aunt Sally, after a pub game of the same name, where patrons threw sticks or battens at a post to knock off a skittle balanced on top.[4][5]

I never said they were more likely to be poor. I said they use the most total federal aid spending (Debate Point), that's all. And they do. That's a fact. You were obliterated in that thread because you did not refute that 1 fact.

It's all you do - do you know what a straw-man is? Did you ever take a debate class in high school or college because this is actually kind of embarrassing.

And in another thread you got obliterated on HDI and SOL. To the point you can only post right wing blogs while I post studies and UN reports, or make up your own Black Haired Hero Study combining random stats you feel are most important. You can't refute the facts on HDI/SOL averages. You WILL not.

And in another thread you got obliterated on Right vs Left domestic terror. You couldn't even post anything back in response to my studies other than "bu bu muslims kill more". You can not and WILL not refute the fact right wing terror is substantially worse than left wing in recent history.

Make a user poll, I DOUBLE DARE YOU.

TLRD: Studies > "nu uh"

Straw-Man. I never said it was a smoking gun. Keep up the lies so you can debate outlandish statements no one said.

Do you think he is lying? This is a simple question.

@zaryia: You said Republicans used the most federal aid? And that Republicans were more likely to be moochers. Then I destroyed you. You tried to imply broad state data is a representation of the voters and when I broke it down for you, you got stomped and then just kept posting the same irrelevant shit. It was embarrassing and you looked like a clown.

I said Blue districts dragged down red states and I was correct. I never argued about your HDL stats other then the fact it just factored in the entire states. You made a claim and I broke it down to specific locations and made you look like a fool.

I also never debated right vs left terror with you. You may be developing Alzheimers.

Again stay on topic: And if you want to debate any of these things create a thread and I'll bitch slap you again. But don't get this one locked AGAIN!

Again this is your problem. I didn't say he was lying. My point is if hes telling the truth what does it matter? what about that testimony puts Trump into hot shit?

Liar Liar pants on fire.

Sit down, you're mine.

Go ahead, Billy, make a user-poll. Ask everyone who won that, or any.

No, my UN chart had counties too you liar. Red ones were low HDI blue ones higher HDI.

Liar Liar Pants on Fire.

You already derailed this thread, you're complete off-topic and you started this all over again.

Would you like to lose your 10th debate Blackhairedhero?

@zaryia: https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-democrats/

"An individual’s likelihood of being a Democrat decreases with every additional dollar he or she earns. Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year"

Owned.

Despite broad state data Democrats are more likely to be poor. Can you prove me wrong? Do you debate this?

Also I realized this is your shitty thread. So if you want to derail your own thread I'm ok with that. Your threads should be auto locked regardless.

Again who's more likely to be poor Zaryia Democrats are Republicans? Answer that question.

Owned? Are you....feeling okay?

I never debated that topic. Not once. I said federal AID. Not Income. Do you see the issues you have at debating? I now think I know why you are "beating" me at shit I never even mentioned.

Do you not know what a straw-man or red-herring is?

I know you can't be this bad at reading, so I'm going to assume this entire charade is to get brownie points with posters here. But did it work? Make a poll, I'm going to guess you aren't doing so well here.

Liar. Complete and utter liar. I have a county chart.

Lie. Lie. Lie. Lie:

Get on my level, I have contingency upon contingency.

This is why you won't make a user-poll. Because I stomped you super hard.

Back on topic.

All these damning testimonies are actually kinda nuts when put together. I can see why most want him out.

I can see why @r-gamer has refused to talk about the OP for 3 pages now.

@zaryia: Lmao this is what you always do. Let's don't forget why you made the argument. You called "Republicans" moochers. And used federal aid from states to back up your argument. I then posted specific data based off voter registration among all states and destroyed you.

Democrats are the moochers. GTFO!

And a user poll? All lefties will vote for you and all rightwingers will vote for me. So it's pointless.

Lol your chart says nothing about blue vs red bahaha.. teh contingency! Would you like me to post the poorest most dangerous cities again? All of which were in leftwing districts?

You linked income data. This is called a red herring. You never showed Democrats use the most federal aid. I did show Republicans use the most federal aid. Red Voting Counties have a strong rise in federal spending, as do Red States. A significant rise. Studies show it's red voters themselves, if you want to be even more specific.

The reason you are deflecting with a red-herring is because you lost the debate on Federal Aid.

Please understand that when you change topics to refute something I never said this is losing a debate. Not winning it. Perhaps this is why you are so confused on our record?

What.............

It show all the counties. We know which are red and blue from 2014, 2016, 2018. We know Red States and Counties have a much lower HDI. This is not debatable. The more red counties the state has (which are lower HDI themselves, as my chart shows) the lower HDI the state is.

What's wrong with you?

What laws did he break? Offer citation or please concede on this point.

Yes it sucks that people with big names can get into high places, but that in itself not illegal and you know it's not illegal. Trump's kids would be in big trouble if it was. Especially Ivanka.

Either way Vindman and the other 9 sworn testimonies are quite compelling. Why are all these career officials who served both (R) and (D) and war heroes speaking out against Trump? With FIRST HAND accounts, almost ALL corroborating the Whistle Blower (Which was twice deemed credible by the ICIG). So many people who were directly involved with this corruption. As soon as they caught the taint of it they had to tell their higher ups or testify under oath.

All Liars?

@zaryia:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/

Democrats are far more likely to use federal aid. No surprise since on average they have a lower income. Why is this hard for you to realize?

Red counties receive a massive spike in federal aid recently due to farm subsidies. I'd hate to tell you but farmers make up 2% of the population which is a very small percentage of Republicans and that's if all farmers were Republicans. So again I ask you who's more likely to mooch a Republican or a Democrat? Answer the question!

Also you have no clue what your talking about. Many counties switched in 2016 not to mention there are far more red counties then blue counties. Despite this the top cesspools in the US are mostly blue counties.

You went off topic so that's where we are going. Unless you want to put it in another thread.

Food Stamps are less than 10% of Federal Aid. When accounting for it all, Red Counties/States/Voters use by far the most. This isn't a contestable fact, which is why you keep posting red-herrings.

Federal Anti-Poverty Programs Primarily Help the GOP's Base

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/gop-base-poverty-snap-social-security/516861/

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Please understand why you lost that debate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/business/economy/harlan-county-republican-welfare.html

Use 2014, 2016 ,or 2018, Red Counties are considerably lower HDI on average no matter which year you use.

This is 100% a debate you lost. You fucked up big time on that. Please stop. You have 0 counter data on the HDI ISSUE. It's your worst performance here.

Facts = Facts.

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@r-gamer: That article pertains to food stamps, not federal aid.

He knows. Most of his rebuttals are deception. Red-Herring or Straw-Man I noticed.

I'm not sure if it's intentional or if he has some sort of reading issue.

@mattbbpl: Foodstamps is wellfare aka federal aid. Democrats are more likely to use wellfare and Foodstamps.

Wait so you don't think he will be impeached?

Dumb?

That's less than 10% of Federal Aid. When you look at all federal assistance it's an extreme swing towards red states and counties.

Don't be stupid, if red voting counties by far use more federal aid it's red voters. Red Counties aren't comprised of mostly Blue Voters. Jesus.

"Federal Anti-Poverty Programs Primarily Help the GOP's Base"

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Here is the NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/business/economy/harlan-county-republican-welfare.html

The GOP Base uses it more.

@zaryia: I suggest you read your own articles so you don't look like a dumb ass. That Atlantic article links blue collar whites to the GoP ignoring the fact that many are Democrats.

You got stomped on this.

Arm-Chair rebuttal. 0 Citation directly debunking either of my highly reputable sources (NYT, TA).

Show the Study is wrong. Show NYT is wrong.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/business/economy/harlan-county-republican-welfare.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/gop-base-poverty-snap-social-security/516861/

These links directly state it's the GOP voter base. The NYT one clearly more concrete. I mean when red voting counties and districts use far more federal aid on average this should be a no brainier.

You lost this one hard. You lost the HDI one harder. Getting the last post is not a real debate tactic, Black Haired Hero.

@zaryia: nice opinion peace's but writing an article about one county doesn't really prove Pew research wrong.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/

Are they lying?

Seriously you got trounced.

They don't just talk about one county, they posted that chart I keep using that you keep ignoring.

"The Most Conservative Counties get the Most Federal Aid"

Red Counties use far more federal aid on average. Just like Red States. The more blood red it is (aka almost all red voters) the worse it is in this regard. Which matches with the study.

Pew Never refutes any of this. Stop lying. You lost.

P.S. I've noticed I post links directly talking about the debate topic and the link taking a DIRECT stance on them. Like my links DIRECTLY state Red Voters use the most federal aid. My link DIRECTLY show Red States/Counties have lower HDI. Your links never say this and you merely (and clumsily) INFER off of them. Either that or red-herrings. I noticed this with EVERY debate!

@zaryia: Unless you can prove Republicans are actually getting the federal aid that's a worthless argument. You do realize many Democrats live in Republican led counties and red states? As many Republicans also live on blue states? My data shows that Democrats are far more likely to use the programs. You posted nothing to refute that.

"Like my links DIRECTLY state Red Voters use the most federal aid. "

NO THEY DIDN'T! A red county can be 51% Republican. Unless you proved the voters actually received the aid your argument is worthless. I proved to you link after link that Democrats earn less and are far more likely to use federal funds. You just keep breaking shit up by voter districts my studies broke it down by actual voters.

You lost! Democrats are the party of the poor and if you count before 2016 it's even worse!

Facts say you're wrong but then you never let facts stand in your way.

Nope, all arm-chair nonsense you literally just made up. The more red the county/state is the more federal aid it uses (NYT). The more Trump voters it had the more the federal aid went up lol.

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"The Most Conservative Counties Are the Ones that Get the Most Federal Assistance."

This completely lines up with the Study, which directly suggests the GOP base uses the most federal assistance (ALL). I have seen no citation stating the opposite directly. No chart or graph or study.

;-)

@zaryia:

Again you look are looking at broad data. My data looks at actual voters.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/12/18/a-bipartisan-nation-of-beneficiaries/

This again breaks it down by actual voters.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wallstreetpit.com/89671-are-welfare-recipients-mostly-republican/amp/

"Hardly surprising, we see that in a two-party split, 60-80% of welfare recipients are Democrats, while full time Workers are evenly divided between parties.

"You have similar results in this recent NPR-Poll. Among the Long Term Unemployed, 72% of the two-party support goes to Democrats."

It's not even close.

I need you to acknowledge this basic FACT. All studies show Democrats are far more likely to use government benefits. States don't vote individuals do and all studies show Democrats are the moochers. If you can't even acknowledge this simple fact there is no point debating you.

Blackhairedhero I will not acknowledge any fact on a straw-man. This was about who uses the most Federal Aid spending. Not who is more likely to use government benefits. There is a large difference. Some benefits are very cheap. Also not all aid is going into welfare/stamps. You see, Red voting moochers also get Social Security, Medicare, Infrastructure, Bailouts, Education, etc.

Fortunately we have studies that have done this for total spending, and are not 7-14 years old:

Federal Anti-Poverty Programs Primarily Help the GOP's Base

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/business/economy/harlan-county-republican-welfare.html

This really is not up for debate. Just like HDI, Incels primarily being right wing or conservative, right vs left terror, Biden Ukraine fact checks, etc. These are confirmed facts.

@r-gamer

Should I take your incapability to respond as yet another loss?

What laws did he break? Offer citation or please concede on this point.

Yes it sucks that people with big names can get into high places, but that in itself not illegal and you know it's not illegal. Trump's kids would be in big trouble if it was. Especially Ivanka.

Either way Vindman and the other 9 sworn testimonies are quite compelling. Why are all these career officials who served both (R) and (D) and war heroes speaking out against Trump? With FIRST HAND accounts, almost ALL corroborating the Whistle Blower (Which was twice deemed credible by the ICIG). So many people who were directly involved with this corruption. As soon as they caught the taint of it they had to tell their higher ups or testify under oath.

All Liars?

@zaryia: So you won't acknowledge a basic fact that I put in front of your face over and over again. You again keep pulling broad state data. You did this only to imply Republicans were moochers. I then showed you EVERY peace of data that breaks it down by actually voters show Democrats are always more likely to use federal aid. You can't seem to grasp the concept that not all poor white people in rural counties are Republicans. Hence why you keep posting the far left Atlantic Op-ed.

As my article says States don't vote individuals do and when we pull that data Dems mooch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wallstreetpit.com/89671-are-welfare-recipients-mostly-republican/amp/

This data was taken from this year and completely destroys your argument. Dems are more likely to receive Wellfare, Public housing , food stamps and unemployment. That is pretty much every moocher program. Then your dumb ass brings up Social security and Medicare? Those aren't even optional programs lmao! Everybody gets those once they hit a certain age. This is like arguing with a 12 year old! Seriously you got bitch slapped hear, move along.

I didn't respond to your HDI data because you didn't even break it down by counties. You then were so ignorant to the fact that you said it was all the same regardless of what year which shows how terribly uninformed you are. In 2016 many blue counties turned red which were blue shitholes only 4 years before. Again it's not worth responding because you are clueless.

We don't know what law he broke because the Democrats have had their head ups Trumps ass for over 3 years. They are never going to investigate Biden and you know it.

Straw-Man. We weren't debating who is more likely to use federal assistance, some programs are less than 5% of spending. We were debating who gets the most spending on federal assistance.

The more deep Red the State or County gets the higher the spending gets. With the 70%+ Red Voting Counties having the absolute most spending. The more Blue a county or state gets, the less the federal spending gets.

"Federal Anti-Poverty Programs Primarily Help the GOP's Base"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/gop-base-poverty-snap-social-security/516861/

"Where Government Is a Dirty Word, but Its Checks Pay the Bills"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/business/economy/harlan-county-republican-welfare.html

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This data is from 2018 and is directly what we are discussing. Yours is from 2006, and it a red-herring survey, not spending data from a budget office or economic bureau.

Why do you lie? I posted a county map. See how for most Southern Red States the Red Counties are almost all light green? I don't need you to respond for it to be a fact.

This is not a debatable topic. I'd rather be debating Gravity. This isn't one of those questionable things.

7 Studies > "NU UH!"

Thank you for your concession.

Joe's case is completely different, and no legal wrong doing can even be guessed at much less identified. The matter has been fact checked.

So instead of doing a whataboutism to Joe Biden, try and Defend Trump by telling us how Vindman and the 9 others might be incorrect. All I see is the fact he tried to get Ukraine to help him win the election, and highly likely by withholding their aid to assist in this. Not many deny this anymore, the new goal post is "but is it impeachable".

@zaryia: We were arguing who the moochers are. Who receives the benefits and uses government programs. That is without question the Democrats. Again spamming broad state data with no context from left wing sites doesn't help your article. You lost!

Now on your HDI argument.. please label the counties because according to the AP

2,626 voted for Trump while only 487 voted for Clinton. Since you can tell by that map who voted for what please list the HDI by counties to prove your claim. Funny thing is many blue states have more red counties then blue counties which destroys your argument again!

There is no concession you moron. Do you know what that is? This is why you can't debate. You pull imaginary victories out of your ass. All that's different is Biden hasn't been investigated for 4 years non stop. Again just like Russia collusion and Stormy daniels you will lose again. And you can keep making your 5 anti trump threads a week.

Straw-Man.

My original post that started this debate win several months ago (and ITT) stated Republicans are the moochers because they spend most on total Federal Aid. Not that they use the most government benefit programs, several of those programs account for less than 9% of spending combined. Would you like me to look for that old post and link it?

Scroll up to post #102, were I state that original claim again.

We can debate what "moocher" means to each other in regards to assistance (total helped vs total spent vs does it all count including infastructure,education,etc.), but you can't debate they spend the most on total federal aid.

Get Obliterated:

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I highly recommend you drop this specific subject, you know how many studies I have on this. You know not 1 link says otherwise. There comes a point were all the data on the planet says you are wrong, that's the time to give up.

I never said these things. My main grip was Russian interference, and I decimated you on that.

No, that's a concession. Your Biden posts earlier in this thread were highly accusatory but you can't even give any data. It's all just imaginary guess work. Like Pizzagate. If you don't want to be called out don't say stupid shit.

Trump's investigation into Ukranian corruption was going to ONLY be on Biden and he couldn't name anyone else? On a fact-checked conspiracy theory? Nah, that rang alarms on all the top career officials and war heroes. And now they are testifying. They knew it was because Biden was his top rival at the time, they knew it was for 2020. The withholding of aid just made it even more illegal.

And please stop talking about "can't debate" when you're the resident punching bag that makes JimB looks smart. That's really really ironic stuff. It's like when Trump says he's a genius.

@zaryia: said:

Straw-Man.

My original post that started this debate win several months ago (and ITT) stated Republicans are the moochers because they spend most on total Federal Aid. Not that they use the most government benefit programs, several of those programs account for less than 9% of spending combined. Would you like me to look for that old post and link it?

This is called spin... so are you talking about politicians are the voters? Im pretty sure you're talking about the voters as most lefties do. They want to imply republicans are a bunch of poor dumb white people and love their government benefits. Unfortunately for you EVERY piece of data pulled shows that Democrats are far more likely to use these programs. If your argument is the federal spending from politicians then thats fairly pointless. It would make sense they receive more federal funding because they generally have much smaller tax bases. Regardless I'm talking about the constiuents of the party. The people that vote those officials in office. And the fact is Democrats the citizens that actually VOTE are the moochers.

@zaryia said: Your bad at this:

lol look at your charts, it further proves my point. Look at the south of Texas and all of the north mid west. The areas with lowest HDI all went blue. I realize this is hard for you to see as there are nearly 6x more red counties then blue ones in the country.

@zaryia said: I never said these things. My main grip was Russian interference, and I decimated you on that.

Again more imaginary victories. I never said Russia was never involved please link this quote are we will just consider it another lie, In what way did you dominate me? I said repeatedly that Trump probably had nothing to do with it and I destroyed you. Again! You were creating threads on this repeatedly hoping and wishing that it would link Trump but it never did. Another clear loss for you.

@zaryia said: No, that's a concession. Your Biden posts earlier in this thread were loony but you can't even give any data. It's all just imaginary guess work.

No it wasn't it was a simple question . One that apparently triggered you beyond all belief. I know it's not one you and the left want to ever ask. But since you have been on non stop about Trump( nearly 3 threads a week) which is kinda creepy and pathetic actually I thought it was something worth looking into.

Regardless I will keep talking about how you can't debate because you are pathetic. If I slapped you any harder I would need to make you put on a small dress and go make me some money.

Man you guys aren't going to agree. Time to let this die.

Personally I'm not going to "agree to disagree" to common facts.

IE: Blue States and Counties on average have a much higher HDI. Literally all studies state this. No counter study exists. Because it's an easy fact.

I guess I can just ignore all his off-topic nonsense.

Except the chart you just posted which clearly shows blue counties in many of those states with lower HDI.

Also I would like you to clarify are you talking about voters or politicians in your moocher argument?

Keep in mind you brought up the past arguments not me. But Im going to make sure I finish it for you.

1. So you're admitting to intentionally continuing to derail the thread. How low IQ of you blackhairedhero. Oh and finally nice change of formatting hours after I called you out on using the same as BHH and posting a few days after he stopped posting forever.

2. You started it actually, no one brought it up until you did on page 2,

We're at 5:0 Susan,

• Blue States and Counties on average have a much higher HDI. Literally all studies state this. Zero counter-studies exist. End of discussion. (I don't know what you are looking at, but my County charts show most Low-HDI areas are in Red Counties).
• Red Federal Aid Spending (State/County/Voters) > Blue Federal Aid Spending.
• Incels are primarily conservative or right wing.
• Joe's Conspiracy has been fact checked. You went full Infowars on us.
• Right Wing Terror > Far Left Terror.

Are you saying the Fact Checks on Biden are wrong? Citation?

Vindman's personal opinions added nothing new to the foray, and it's unfortunate that a military officer is voluntarily being a pawn in this circus, fundamentally going against the basic understanding of being apolitical.

@zaryia: Said:

1. So you're admitting to intentionally contiuining to derail the thread. How low IQ of you blackhairedhero.

2. You started it actually,

1. Not at all you keep the argument going and you brought it up actually. Im not going to let you call me out on nonsense and not respond back.

2. No actually you did, you were the first one to bring up past arguments and how you beat me. If I say nothing thats a concession if I address your point then thats derailing. So given the two options Im going to derail since you brought it up.

@zaryia: Said:

We're at 5:0 Susan,

• Blue HDI > Red HDI on average (Yes, especially counties. My chart shows this.)

• Red Federal Aid Spending (State/County/Voters) > Blue Federal Aid Spending

• Incels are primarily conservative or right wing.

• Joe's Conspiracy has been fact checked.

• Right Wing Terror > Far Left Terr

1. Nope, your chart shows quote the opposite on many occasions. This may be true when it involves states but as your chart shows many blue areas of the states have the lowest HDI. Which was my argument.

2. Red voters don't spend federal dollars anywhere close to Democrats. Again you're so uninformed on the issue you are grouping them together. Democrats are using those government benefits far more often. As most benefits given to republicans are not optional and are given to everyone past a certain age( IE SS and Medicare)

3. Outside of leftwing op-ed there hasn't been a whole lot of complete studies on incels

4. Not really, it hasn't been looked into the same way any of Trumps dealings have been. And much like Russia collusion, Judge Kavagenah accuser and stormy Daniels nothing was found.

5. I never debated you on right wing vs left wing terror. Please link these arguments are stfu.

So that puts you at about 0 and 6 and one win on an imaginary debate we have never had.

Lets start with the slightly On Topic stuff. Are you saying the Fact Checks on Biden are wrong? Citation?

On Bidens and Ukraine, Wild Claims With Little Basis

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-09/on-bidens-and-ukraine-wild-claims-with-little-basis-quicktake

Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/business/media/fact-check-biden-ukraine-burisma-china-hunter.html

Fact-checking Trump's accusations against the Ukraine whistleblower and the Bidens

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-trumps-accusations-ukraine-whistleblower-bidens/story?id=66194699

I want to be on the same page here, you agree with the above links correct? Seems like Trump just wanted dirt on his political opponent, cause' the Biden thing is a conspiracy shit-show.

Are you a Pizzagate nutjob?

Now on to the off-topic mess you started:

Nope. Scroll to page 2 post #96. You began it all, because you remembered how easily you were churned out by me after I started making you sweat on the Biden stuff.

So basically: "Nu uh!". Nice citation. Arm-Chair theory always beats UN Reports and US World News and Reports!

Post a counter-study if they are so "wrong", Mr. Bad Debater. I have 6+ studies directly showing Red Counties/States have a far lower average HDI than Blue ones.

Rofl. I'll let the posters here decide which counties Red V Blue encompass more low HDI areas (Which is very obvious):

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^I guess that horrific 20-30 fps really got to your eyes. The southern red states are mostly all low HDI counties. The opposite occurs, but so rare that the average is barely touched.

Also there is no way a handful of counties vs 1000s can change the entire state for these results:

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Still 6:0, Susan.

You mean his 1st hand accounts on the events, and yes some opinions too. In a sworn deposition, which is corroborated by 9 others. And all matching with the WB Report, which was found credible by the ICIG. Funny how it all works out like that.

Did all of those people who spoke out become pawns of some some grand conspiracy against Trump, potentially risking perjury just to take him out? The ICIG is in on it all?

I completely disagree with your opinion on his testimony. I believe it's his duty as an American to defend our national security and constitution against such clear abuses of power that alarmed several career diplomats and ambassadors. He is a patriot of the highest order.

He took an oath and if he found violations...….he was a first hand witness......his duty is to report it. That's not being a pawn.

@zaryia: Said:

Lets start with the slightly On Topic stuff. Are you saying the Fact Checks on Biden are wrong? Citation?

On Bidens and Ukraine, Wild Claims With Little Basis

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-09/on-bidens-and-ukraine-wild-claims-with-little-basis-quicktake

Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/business/media/fact-check-biden-ukraine-burisma-china-hunter.html

Fact-checking Trump's accusations against the Ukraine whistleblower and the Bidens

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-trumps-accusations-ukraine-whistleblower-bidens/story?id=66194699

I want to be on the same page here, you agree with the above links correct? Seems like Trump just wanted dirt on his political opponent, cause' the Biden thing is a conspiracy shit-show.

Are you a Pizzagate nutjob?

Those are all op-ed there interpreted by leftwing media organizations. There has not been a formal investigation or trial launched against Biden or his son. So wtf are you talking about? Left wing opinion pieces do not mean the question shouldn't be asked.

@zaryia: Said

"Nope. Scroll to page 2 post #96. You began it all, because you remembered how easily you were churned out by me after I started making you sweat on the Biden stuff."

Nope it started on the next post page 2 post 97 when you brought up every debate and then shortly after went into specific points. You never made me sweat on any Biden topics you don't have anything but opinion peaces.

@zaryia: Said

"So basically: "Nu uh!". Nice citation. Arm-Chair theory always beats UN Reports and US World News and Reports!

Post a counter-study if they are so "wrong", Mr. Bad Debater. I have 6+ studies directly showing Red Counties/States have a far lower average HDI than Blue ones."

It's not a arm theory look at your chart? Red counties make up 6x more then blue counties. Look at the southern part of Texas and all of the Northwest. The blue counties specifically are lower HDI. You posting broad state data doesn't help your argument as my argument was blue districts bring down red states not that red states had higher HDI. Again this is what you do when you lose an argument. Just spin it into something that you can win by arguing against points I never made.

@zaryia said:

"I guess that horrific 20-30 fps really got to your eyes. The southern red states are mostly all low HDI counties. The opposite occurs, but so rare that the average is barely touched.

Also there is no way a handful of counties vs 1000s can change the entire state for these results:"

So did you just imagine blue counties much like you imagined your gaming pc? There are not even 1000 blue counties in the country. According to the AP there are 3142 counties in the US and over 2600 voted for Trump.

https://apnews.com/afs:Content:5265150031

These are NOT Op-Eds. You're not even trying anymore, you're just saying "NU UH!". Refute the facts contained with them please.

I consider that a concession and clear loss, mind you.

I'll post more:

A readers' guide to fact-checking Trump's Ukraine controversy

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/28/politics/fact-checking-trump-ukraine-scandal-bidens/index.html

Donald Trump ad misleads about Joe Biden, Ukraine and the prosecutor

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/oct/11/donald-trump/trump-ad-misleads-about-biden-ukraine-and-prosecut/

Fact check: What Joe and Hunter Biden actually did in Ukraine

https://www.axios.com/joe-hunter-biden-ukraine-corruption-trump-1b031c30-3173-4a45-a6a7-2e551759063c.html

You're not doing so well on this Biden thing. You might want to get out of this deflection angle and return to discussing Vindman.

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Red Counties and States have a significantly lower average lower HDI than Blue ones. Done. Finished. That's all. Simple.

I aware that many large swaths of 3rd-world rural areas are Red, and you may find it "not fair" that they all mostly vote Red. Too bad so sad? I'm just stating the facts:

Gallery

How can you type this after I murdered you by posting pictures of it in SW?

Is all you do lie or something? Is that your gimmick?

@zaryia: said:

These are NOT Op-Eds. Certainly not the NYT and ABC piece. Can you at least to attempt to debate or refute the facts contained within them? You're not even trying anymore, you're just saying "NU UH!".

I consider that a concession and clear loss, mind you.

I don't care what you consider a clear loss considering you have gone so far to imagine debates that never happened. Regardless those are op-eds. Until a formal investigation is launched and he's clear of wrong doing then it is a question worth asking. I never even said he was guilty other then it is something at least looking into. Again another case of you not being able to win so you just make shit up.

You're like 0 and 6 now and you made up 2 debates that never happened.

@zaryia:said:

Red Counties and States have a significantly lower average lower HDI than Blue ones.

I aware that many large swaths of 3rd-world rural areas are Red, and you may find it "not fair" that they all mostly vote Red. Too bad so sad? I'm just stating the facts:

That is only half true. Red states on average to have a lower HDI however Blue counties are just as bad and in many cases worse. As clearly shown by your own chart. Not much of a surprise since the people who vote Democrat are on average far poorer and use far more government benefits. Sorry that hurts your feelings.