@zaryia: It showed 2600 red counties vs 480 blue counties. With a large portion of those blue counties voting with the lowest HDI areas. What kind of average is that? That is laughable. You haven't posted any data based off counties only state data and I showed you one instantly with vastly different results. It wasn't a self burn just to show you how radically different one survey can be from the next. The issue is by your OWN HDI chart many of those blue counties were among the lowest HDI and there were only 480 of them.
Haven't Republicans leaked the whistleblower's name by now? Or at least trying to. At least one is named as the whistleblower over at real clear investigations.
Haven't Republicans leaked the whistleblower's name by now? Or at least trying to. At least one is named as the whistleblower over at real clear investigations.
They are trying to get the name but I don't think it's been released as it's a danger to the whistleblower.
@zaryia: Mr. Vindman's opinions, including which he found the transcript a credible representation of the phone call, are not paramount to any perjurous accusations. His statement, including the opening remarks with choice wordage and being in uniform are curious. The sum of his testimony add nothing of value, and instead moreover, a continuance of the flaming pile of poo this circus evolved into.
Ah, the shtick, do not fret - I see you have a set of talking points which you contintue to prorate.
@Stevo_the_gamer: He witnessed the call. So there's that. He also expressed concern. Why do all trumpers make excuses? As a lawman you should be concerned with the law.
@zaryia: Mr. Vindman's opinions, including which he found the transcript a credible representation of the phone call, are not paramount to any perjurous accusations. His statement, including the opening remarks with choice wordage and being in uniform are curious. The sum of his testimony add nothing of value, and instead moreover, a continuance of the flaming pile of poo this circus evolved into.
Ah, the shtick, do not fret - I see you have a set of talking points which you contintue to prorate.
That was not just a testimony of opinions, he gave 1st hand account of the events. Including the phone call. He said the rough transcript left out specific words.
VINDMAN: TRUMP’S ZELENSKY CALL TRANSCRIPT LEFT OUT CRUCIAL DETAILS
His general testimony was corroborated by 7 others, under a sworn setting. As well as text messages and the Credible WB Report. These other testimonies were not just opinion, they also gave accounts of events and 1st hand conversations. These types of statements can be open to perjury if proven they lied deliberately.
In your opinion the testimony added nothing of value, but that is factually wrong. The testimony objectively added new details, as I linked above.
This is not a circus and I'm not using talking points, that's some Breitbart nonsense. Most Americans aren't being duped by some grand lizard conspiracy. Career officials, war heroes, the ICIG, and the FEC Chair are being believed over the guy with 10,000 lies. It's that simple. It's why they pushed for impeachment, the evidence was so clear.
Haven't Republicans leaked the whistleblower's name by now? Or at least trying to. At least one is named as the whistleblower over at real clear investigations.
They are trying to get the name but I don't think it's been released as it's a danger to the whistleblower.
You will get one name here
It is being reported that the whistleblower was Joe Biden’s point man on Ukraine. It is imperative the whistleblower is subpoenaed and asked under oath about Hunter Biden and corruption. https://t.co/qsOwZ4H2IN
— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 31, 2019
If that is not the whistleblower, then one innocent guy is being framed and on the receiving end of (hate to) those who believe Trump.
Haven't Republicans leaked the whistleblower's name by now? Or at least trying to. At least one is named as the whistleblower over at real clear investigations.
They are trying to get the name but I don't think it's been released as it's a danger to the whistleblower.
You will get one name here
If that is not the whistleblower, then one innocent guy is being framed and on the receiving end of (hate to) those who believe Trump.
I'm wondering if the WB's Report or his name even matters anymore. We have testimonies from someone who already was on the phone call and all sorts of other officials that completely corroborate the entire Report on their own with 1st hand knowledge. In fact even more info than the WB report itself in total.
I'm guessing this is all just a political smear/stunt campaign since what Trump did in itself can't be defended. Get his name and smear him and say the WB report is fake, even though the WB report is no longer needed as we have more info.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Any poster on this website can click on the following pictures and notice you are completely and utterly wrong to the point of trying to argue the Sun is blue.
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They will then see none of your posts contain any links. And wonder why you are still going at it.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Any poster on this website can click on the following pictures and notice you are completely and utterly wrong to the point of trying to argue the Sun is blue.
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They will then see none of your posts contain any links. And wonder why you are still going at it.
Unfortunately For you there is a large discrepancy in your claim.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Any poster on this website can click on the following pictures and notice you are completely and utterly wrong to the point of trying to argue the Sun is blue.
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They will then see none of your posts contain any links. And wonder why you are still going at it.
Thank you. Further confirmation. Did you just join my team?
Apparently you missed a majority of the Red Counties being far lighter HDI throughout the entirety USA.
No not at all. There are nearly 6x more red counties then blue counties. I just noticed a large portion of those blue counties within the red states are in fact low HDI. Again I never argued red states had higher HDI. Especially sine HDI factors in GDP as a heavy factor.
Also stop saying you have 8 studies. You have one scale that has been used for 30 years and you just keep posting it over and over again from different sources.
I've perused the poor news blurbs of their anonymous sources, with no corroboration, which attempt to create a ripple in the muddy pond to no avail.
Mr. Vindman's testimony, which is available to read, keenly makes mention of the transcript in the following manner: "As the transcript is in the public record, we are all aware of what was said."
You have one scale that has been used for 30 years and you just keep posting it over and over again from different sources.
US News And Reports does not use HDI. ;-)
P.S. I'm going to make a thread on this. Please use that one now. Lets not derail further. If you reply to this post put it in that new thread.
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Stevo_the_gamer: He witnessed the call. So there's that. He also expressed concern. Why do all trumpers make excuses? As a lawman you should be concerned with the law.
Yup. He has first hand knowledge and is disputing specific data put out by the WH.
The National Security Council's top Ukraine expert told House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he tried to make changes to the White House's rough transcript of the July phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukraine's President, including that Trump mentioned tapes of former Vice President Joe Biden, according to a source familiar with the matter.
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman testified that one example of his attempts to change the transcript was to include Trump telling Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky there were tapes of Biden, which The New York Times reported occurred where there's an ellipsis in the transcript that was released. The change was not made. The assertion that some portion of the conversation was replaced by an ellipsis contradicts the White House's statement in September that the ellipses in the transcript did not represent missing words or phrases. It also contradicts the President who has insisted the transcript the White House released was an exact depiction of the call, even though the memo itself describes it as rough.Vindman also said that he would have edited the transcript to specifically show that Zelensky mentioned Burisma -- the company that hired Hunter Biden -- rather than just "the company," according to sources.
@zaryia: I'm familiar with the blurbs, as I already stated previously, and I'm not impressed by TYT's reporting to add nothing of value from their "familiar sources", as the discrepancies were also reported to be minimal/limited significance. Such as you aptly pasted, "that company'" instead of "burisma."
We have his official record on the transcript. It's one of public record indeed, instead of a transcript-less closed door meeting rabble-rabble between partisan squabbles.
@zaryia: I'm familiar with the blurbs, as I already stated previously, and I'm not impressed by TYT's reporting to add nothing of value from their "familiar sources", as the discrepancies were also reported to be minimal/limited significance. Such as you aptly pasted, "that company'" instead of "burisma."
We have his official record on the transcript. It's one of public record indeed, instead of a transcript-less closed door meeting rabble-rabble between partisan squabbles.
That's your opinion. His statements (as well as most other testimonies so far) was not all opinions. They are also first hand accounts of what happened, and any changes that were in the rough transcript.
Put it all together, corroborating most of the WB report, and it's a poor picture. Probably why approval for impeachment and removal is sky high.
@zaryia: Yes, testimony was not all opinion in the public statement. It continued to showcase what was already known by the released transcript which we've all seen by now; luckily, time will tell whether this is a big nothing burger like the Russian silliness or whether anything of penetrative value will prevail.
@zaryia: Yes, testimony was not all opinion in the public statement. It continued to showcase what was already known by the released transcript which we've all seen by now; luckily, time will tell whether this is a big nothing burger like the Russian silliness or whether anything of penetrative value will prevail.
The Russian Investigation was not silly or a nothing burger. We learned quite a lot about Russian Interference from it, which is extremely important.
This already isn't a nothing burger as well, but like you said we will have to wait and see. Things do indeed look quite bad going by the testimonies, texts, rough transcript, and public statements like Mick admitting to it all.
@zaryia: Yes, testimony was not all opinion in the public statement. It continued to showcase what was already known by the released transcript which we've all seen by now; luckily, time will tell whether this is a big nothing burger like the Russian silliness or whether anything of penetrative value will prevail.
The Russian Investigation was not silly or a nothing burger. We learned quite a lot about Russian Interference from it, which is extremely important.
This already isn't a nothing burger as well, but like you said we will have to wait and see. Things do indeed look quite bad going by the testimonies, texts, rough transcript, and public statements like Mick admitting to it all.
lol
I get you have your talking points, you've gone over the bullet points many times in this thread.
I'm wondering if the WB's Report or his name even matters anymore. We have testimonies from someone who already was on the phone call and all sorts of other officials that completely corroborate the entire Report on their own with 1st hand knowledge. In fact even more info than the WB report itself in total.
I'm guessing this is all just a political smear/stunt campaign since what Trump did in itself can't be defended. Get his name and smear him and say the WB report is fake, even though the WB report is no longer needed as we have more info.
@zaryia: Yes, testimony was not all opinion in the public statement. It continued to showcase what was already known by the released transcript which we've all seen by now; luckily, time will tell whether this is a big nothing burger like the Russian silliness or whether anything of penetrative value will prevail.
The Russian Investigation was not silly or a nothing burger. We learned quite a lot about Russian Interference from it, which is extremely important.
This already isn't a nothing burger as well, but like you said we will have to wait and see. Things do indeed look quite bad going by the testimonies, texts, rough transcript, and public statements like Mick admitting to it all.
lol
I get you have your talking points, you've gone over the bullet points many times in this thread.
Patience, indeed, will come to results.
Bullet points? Talking points? What? That's not even a rebuttal, that's ad-homs.
And fictional Ad-homs in this case. I'm not using any talking points or visiting some Democrat forum/emailer. I'm literally just going by the facts, and coming to the same conclusion MOST Americans have. Are they all using fake talking points too?
It's called common sense, not some special secret dossier I got from a DemonRat.
P.S.
House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe
@zaryia: A summary of talking points which have pasted time and time again here. Talking points are persuasive ideas to bring discussion, I'm not sure where drumming up a logical fallacy of personal attacks is going for the fences. Quite bizarre, especially relating and drawing a parallel to the subjective interpretation of foreign policy, political procedure/processes, the dissection of interviewed politicians and personnel, to "common sense."
Patience, again, is the overt value which will showcase the penetrative value of this round-the-clock coverage.
@zaryia: A summary of talking points which have pasted time and time again here. Talking points are persuasive ideas to bring discussion, I'm not sure where drumming up a logical fallacy of personal attacks is going for the fences. Quite bizarre, especially relating and drawing a parallel to the subjective interpretation of foreign policy, political procedure/processes, the dissection of interviewed politicians and personnel, to "common sense."
Patience, again, is the overt value which will showcase the penetrative value of this round-the-clock coverage.
Ok, then I disagree with your talking points so far as well. I personally find the evidence overwhelming, as do most Americans.
Anyway, yikes:
Key diplomat changes testimony and admits quid pro quo with Ukraine
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