ICE Agents get offended over Nazi comparisons

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A new Netflix docuseries that saw filmmakers gain "unprecedented" access to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's operations under the Trump administration sees ICE agents open up about what it's like to be seen as "the bad guys."

For roughly three years, starting just after President Donald Trump took office, filmmakers Shaul Schwarz and Christina Clusiau were given a stunning level of access to the U.S. Homeland Security department's immigration agencies, including ICE and the Border Patrol.

Schwarz and Clusiau followed federal officers and agents as they enforced some of the Trump administration's most controversial immigration policies, including the government's "zero tolerance" family separation policy at the border and ICE's crackdown on undocumented immigrants across the country, with their work culminating in the new docuseries Immigration Nation, which saw its trailer premiered exclusively on Newsweek.com and which is set to launch on Netflix on August 3.

In the new series, previewed ahead of its release by Newsweek, ICE agents speak candidly about their orders to ramp up arrests of undocumented immigrants, with one scene showing an agency supervisor in New York ordering an agent to bring in more "collaterals"—undocumented immigrants identified during a targeted arrest—whatever it takes.

"Start taking collaterals man," an ICE supervisor can be heard saying. "I don't care what you do, but bring at least two people in."

Throughout the series, agents can be seen discussing the need to ramp up arrest numbers, while some appear to also boast about how many people have been arrested in a single day.

'We were never like this'

Speaking with individual agents, Schwarz and Clusiau found that some appeared contrite over their role in enforcing Trump's immigration crackdown, while others defended their work, arguing that they are just doing their jobs.

"It's like... too much," one agent in New York told filmmakers, describing how ICE agents had gone from arresting less than eight people in a week under the Obama administration to making more than eight arrests in a single day under Trump.

"It's like the floodgates opened and no one's used to this," the agent said.

"It's not like, 'okay, we went back to the way we were. We were never like this," they said. "It's a different world."

'The bad guys'

Another agent complained of being seen as "the bad guys" in society.

"We constantly look like we're the bad guys, when all we're doing is enforcing the laws and doing our job," the agent says.

"It gets to me sometimes, it does," she says. "Cause, I just feel like, you know, we have no respect."

After working with ICE for roughly 12 years the agent says "things have changed a lot" under Trump.

"Now, the administration has changed and we're finally able to do our job," the agent says. "To be honest with you, I honestly still cannot believe that he's our president. It's the best thing and the worst thing that could have happened to us."

'I love my job'

Another agent shares in those sentiments, acknowledging that "ICE isn't a fan favorite of anybody's. Words like 'Nazis'. 'How can you do this'."

"We're used to it and, I mean, I love my job. I do," he says. 'I have a good stable home. I make money."

Hitting out at criticisms that have, for years, compared ICE agents to Nazis, the agent said: "To be called a Nazi, you know, a racist, you know, it's just ignorant. It's ignorant."

"We don't pick and choose groups of people based on race, color, religion. We just look for people who are removable," he says.

'It's an unfortunate situation'

Other ICE workers appeared to express some regret over their role in enforcing the Trump administration's immigration crackdown.

One agent with ICE fugitive operations, identified only by their first name, "Efran", expressed remorse over the growing arrests of "collaterals" under the Trump administration's guidance of arresting anyone caught living in the U.S. without documentation, a marked departure from the Obama administration's focus on detaining immigrants with criminal convictions.

"Most of our targets are criminal aliens. That's where the collaterals are kind of like, you know, kind of the victim," Efran said. "It's an unfortunate situation because a lot of these guys are hardworking individuals. They're here to work and provide for their family. They just get caught up in politics if you look at it. It's how it is."

One ICE fugitive operations agent, Brian, said he refuses to arrest collaterals, period.

"I don't do collaterals. I just don't think it's right," he said. "If I get somebody that's not cooperative, it's a different story. But, if you let me come into your house and talk to me I'm not gonna roll your fingerprints and arrest you for being here illegally. I know it's my job, but I got guys that are aggravated felons that I'd like to catch. I don't care about the guy that's minding his own business and cooperating with me."

Another agent expressed sorrow in performing arrests that see families separated, with footage in Immigration Nation showing one father being arrested in front of his daughter.

"It gets sensitive when the kids are involved," the agent says. "I'm a dad. It's tough when the kids are involved. Nobody wants to see children hurt. Sometimes it happens. It's not very nice, but that's the law."

Despite that, other officers appear to draw a line between their actions and those of Border Patrol agents who played a central role in separating children from their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

After years of filming immigration agents and officers, filmmakers Schwarz and Clusiau said the image they were left with of ICE agents was a "complex" one.

'Good cops and bad cops'

Speaking with Newsweek, both filmmakers agreed that the U.S.'s immigration system is "broken." They said it is a broken system that has "chewed up" everyone involved, including the ICE agents who enforce the government's rules.

The entire system, Schwarz said, "is somewhat broken or deliberately...broken, but again, there's a lot of grey areas," he said.

"Bad bureaucracy can overcome common sense," he said. And when it comes to "bad bureaucracy" in U.S. immigration agencies, that can "equal the destruction of a family."

Schwarz said that he did not believe that all officers were "horrible" or "evil" people.

"I think when it comes to ICE, trying to leave some of these pretexts behind, a lot of people are like, 'oh, they're just horrible'. I don't think that's the ICE officers we actually met, for the mostpart," he said.

Like any law enforcement agency, he said, "you will have good cops and bad cops."

'This issue is grey'

Clusiau appeared to share in that sentiment, telling Newsweek: "Really, this issue is grey, it's complicated."

"It is a broken system," she said. The filmmaker said that the issues with the U.S.'s immigration system are "systematic in the sense that all sides, everybody, is kind of chewed up by this broken system."

The Immigration Nation docuseries comes amid growing calls for immigration law enforcement agencies and police departments across the country to be reformed or defunded and abolished completely.

Both filmmakers said that after spending three years documenting ICE and Border Patrol, they believed the U.S. immigration system needs reform. They said they did not believe immigration law enforcement should be abolished.

Asked how they were able to gain such deep access to the DHS's immigration agencies, the filmmakers said it was thanks to rapport Schwarz had built with ICE while previously documenting the agency's work.

The filmmakers had agreed to let ICE review the materials they had gathered ahead of airing the series.

That was when they faced pushback from the agency, which sought to limit how much of their footage went to air. Ultimately the filmmakers said the project was able to move forward.

Immigration Nation airs on Netflix on August 3rd.

"Just following orders." Where have I heard that before? Snowflakes!

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Can you, or someone else, confirm that ICE agents are performing medical experiments on people against their wishes, murdering people en masse, piling their bodies on top of one another? Or you know...something along the lines of what Nazis did in the 1930s-1940s?

Don't get me wrong. What's happening in the States is fucked. Reforms are needed, absolutely. But these outlandish and hysterical comparisons don't help your argument or the people that are affected by this. In fact, it can easily do the opposite. It can push people more to their side and less likely to sit down and discuss the issues. I mean, no shit they're offended that people are calling them Nazis. Apart from white supremacists, who the hell wants to be compared to a Nazi?

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People wonder why the left is universally hated and laughed at.

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#5  Edited By vl4d_l3nin
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It's amazin' that leftists will mock the right for being uneducated, yet will simultaneously use phrases like "Nazis" to describe ICE, "Stormtroopers" to describe feds, and "secret police" to describe unmarked police vehicles. If they had any knowledge of political history, American law and American civics, they would realize how stupid they sound. Maybe they do, and just don't care.

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@saltslasher said:

I remember watching them grill the head ICE guy in a hearing, and the idiots didn't even know the laws/rules they all set.

These people been around for nearly 20 years, but of course only a problem once Trump shows up so we can further push idea that being against illegal immigration makes you racist.

No, given Obama was blasted for being "Deporter in chief!", they've been a problem for a long ass time. Under Trump it became even worse

@SOedipus said:

Don't get me wrong. What's happening in the States is fucked. Reforms are needed, absolutely. But these outlandish and hysterical comparisons don't help your argument or the people that are affected by this. In fact, it can easily do the opposite. It can push people more to their side and less likely to sit down and discuss the issues. I mean, no shit they're offended that people are calling them Nazis. Apart from white supremacists, who the hell wants to be compared to a Nazi?

The "you made me do it" excuse... dumb then, dumb now. Hell, there is a web comic covering how stupid it is. If that was in ANYWAY true, the left would be seeing more support for being compared to the CCP or the Soviet Union (which yes, damn near every Democrat has been compared to with the exception of David Clarke or Tulsi Gabbard)! But that never happened...

We may not be at the point of whack experiments. But we have had LGBT rights stripped, DACA almost died (Trump is still working on doing that, Supreme Court be damned), even our democratic institutions are under attack (even the USPS, because Trump believes conspiracy theories on how mail-in voting leads to voter fraud). Any longer and we're expected federal troops to open fire on protesters with LIVE rounds, as if we aren't already with RUBBER bullets and tear gas (deemed an illegal chemical weapon in war). Hell, I'm already seeing "treat leftist protesters like al-Qaeda" in right-wing circles.

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Well I think your average ICE agent should get offended over Nazi comparisons since they clearly are not mass murdering people.

Having said that the actual story linked in the OP seems to be a legit documentary showing a number of differing viewpoints of the actual ICE agents that span a fair range of perspectives which is summed up as complex. And it also would seem to point out that it is a large bureaucracy that takes direction from policy makers, but that individuals exercise some degree of personal judgement in how they handle situations.

It makes me want to actually watch this documentary.

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@n64dd said:

People wonder why the left is universally hated and laughed at.

Why do they poll higher than GOP year after year.

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@n64dd said:

People wonder why the left is universally hated and laughed at.

Does that include the left outside of the US?

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@n64dd said:

People wonder why the left is universally hated and laughed at.

What is the "left" in your view?

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@horgen: general its means anything they dont like. that the mind set.

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People can be nasty, especially the extremists. I've been called every name in the book. I've had men and women scream at me inches away over something another agency did, and something out agency did. Endured that nasty breath. Been punched, kicked, spat on, urine thrown at me, etc. Whatever.

Point being - I don't know why anyone in the DHS would give two craps what people think. I worked along side some ICE officers years back, definitely some good folks. Just do your job and make sure you and your partners go home to your families.

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@nintendoboy16: A web comic, well I'm a true believer now!!!!!

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@zaryia: because polls are skewed and can be made to say whatever you want.

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@n64dd said:

@zaryia: because polls are skewed and can be made to say whatever you want.

Does that keep you warm at night?

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:

@zaryia: because polls are skewed and can be made to say whatever you want.

Does that keep you warm at night?

Trumps love and triumph of will keeps me warm at night.

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#17  Edited By mrbojangles25
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ICE is a necessary evil but I think Trump has pushed them in the wrong direction.

I'm a left-leaning moderate but I am against illegal immigration. With that said, I am also a Californian and a large part of our agricultural industry is supported by migrant or illegal immigrants *shrug*

I don't think ICE are nazis, or cops, or even the feds in Portland. They're just an arm of the government whose shit trickles down onto them as they take the brunt of society's disappointment. I'm honestly surprised you don't hear more law enforcement speak out against Trump.

But then again, you don't bite the hand that feeds you, I suppose.

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Maybe we shouldn't say there's a duck if we can't see it but on the other hand we can definitely hear quacking so no one better be surprised if you start seeing white feathers strewn about.

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@n64dd said:

@zaryia: because polls are skewed and can be made to say whatever you want.

Not national polls. Your party is less popular and it's ideas even less popular. So your original comment was a head turner.

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Comparing ICE agents to nazis is not only incredibly inaccurate - it’s a slap in the face to the millions who died in the Holocaust, their families, and survivors.

Learn history, fools.

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@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:

@zaryia: because polls are skewed and can be made to say whatever you want.

Does that keep you warm at night?

Trumps love and triumph of the will keeps me warm at night.

I fixed that for you. Wagner's music fit perfectly. Leni would be appreciative of your adoration.

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@SUD123456: jesse owens was a hero, gtfo

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@n64dd: Yah, and I am sure he would have been impressed with the rubbish you post and trolling you do.

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@SUD123456: this is a really weird and dumb conversation

I reclaim my time.

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@Stevo_the_gamer: so good people on both sides... sounds familiar

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What a disgusting topic to post and praise.

Not only is it pathetic and unfair, but you minimize what actually happened to Jewish people by making these claims. For the left to champion equality, they sure do throw a lot of people under the bus on the way there.

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Always hilarious seeing those who call everyone not far right a communist getting so offended about the Nazi label.

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@Watch_My_6 said:

What a disgusting topic to post and praise.

Not only is it pathetic and unfair, but you minimize what actually happened to Jewish people by making these claims. For the left to champion equality, they sure do throw a lot of people under the bus on the way there.

Nazism is not only about what happened Jewish people FYI.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Watch_My_6 said:

What a disgusting topic to post and praise.

Not only is it pathetic and unfair, but you minimize what actually happened to Jewish people by making these claims. For the left to champion equality, they sure do throw a lot of people under the bus on the way there.

Nazism is not only about what happened Jewish people FYI.

Thanks for the history lesson.

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@Watch_My_6: That wasn't worth the 2 seconds it took to read..........

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@Watch_My_6 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Watch_My_6 said:

What a disgusting topic to post and praise.

Not only is it pathetic and unfair, but you minimize what actually happened to Jewish people by making these claims. For the left to champion equality, they sure do throw a lot of people under the bus on the way there.

Nazism is not only about what happened Jewish people FYI.

Thanks for the history lesson.

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Guy 2: ...

lol WTF dude? You're not even trying.

Anyway, as for comparisons, I'm tired of the nazi comparisons myself but at the same time just because one thing isn't the same in terms of scope as what the Nazis did doesn't mean it isn't the same in terms of principle. So let's all stop being delicate snowflakes every time someone uses a nazi comparison to describe the principle of a thing, and maybe let's try to reduce the nazi comparisons usage at the same time.

Besides, where are the Pol Pot and Stalin comparisons? Those guys need some attention too.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@Watch_My_6: That wasn't worth the 2 seconds it took to read..........

Something tells me you had nothing better to do.