Investigation finds GOP state representative took part in 'domestic terrorism'

Investigation finds Washington state representative took part in 'domestic terrorism'

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/20/politics/washington-state-congressman-domestic-terrorism-investigation/index.html

The report alleges that "[i]nvestigators have obtained evidence that Representative Shea, as a leader of the Patriot Movement, planned, engaged in, and promoted a total of three armed conflicts of political violence against the United States Government in three states outside the State of Washington over a three-year period to include 2014, 2015 and 2016."

oof. It's scary when our "leaders" participate in this insanity.

"It's all a necessity to own the libs."

You're 100% wrong.

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/who-are-terrorists/

Supporters of Matt Shea will soon be seen defending the man by saying, "It's just a joke bra."

"Owning the libs!"

Stupid fucking Republicans.

That link is a red-herring. It only examines Jihadi terrorists, not total Domestic terror by ideology after 2011.

That being said, most of domestic terror in the last few years was from the far right.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/right-wing-extremism-linked-to-every-2018-extremist-murder-in-the-us-adl-finds

Right-Wing Extremism Linked to Every 2018 Extremist Murder in the U.S., ADL Finds

The scariest part is that a.) he tried to establish a 51st state in East Washington, and b.) he won his district with 60+% of the vote.

I know East Washington isn't the most populous place in the country but there's a few people there, scary to think there's that many potential "holy warriors" in what is generally a progressive state. Makes you wonder about the more conservative states out there.

If he loves violence so much, maybe he needs to be beaten until he's bleeding from his eyes and ears.

Do you read what you link?

Ideological motives appear to have played a primary or secondary role in 19 of the 50 extremist murders (38%) in 2018. In the remaining murders, either the role that ideology may have played is unclear, the motives in general are unclear or the murders were likely committed for non-ideological reasons. Over the past 10 years, 51% (216 out of 427) of domestic extremist-related murders have had a primary or secondary ideological motivation, so the 2018 proportion of ideologically-related killings is somewhat lower than average.

It's the same with almost all the click bait you link. A misleading click bait title which is usually contradicted somewhere in the report.

Then again it's the ADL, they don't get paid if there isn't a problem. So a click bait press release is probably good for business.

Have you been to Washington? There's two sides to the mountains, the Seattle side and the "country" side. I went to Shree's Travel Plaza in George, WA last week for fuel and coffee, there was "Trump 2020" shit everywhere.

Yeah it's the same in California; around San Francisco and the Bay Area it's very liberal, but you drive an hour out to Modesto or go to other Central Valley places it's all Trump.

I imagine it's the same everywhere; you got rural that mostly support Trump, and you got urban that supports Democrat.

@Damedius: Not sure exactly what you are complaining about? Almost all of the perps have links to right wing extremism; however, they only classify them as ideological if there is direct evidence regarding motivation that is tied to the specific event. They also go on to explain why.

Just after your quote they explain that they have not classified the Marjory Stoneman school shooter as ideologically driven despite his numerous connections to, and fascination with, right wing extremism. I guess the fact that his ammo magazines had swastikas on them wasn't enough to be sure of the motivation due to the lack of a manifesto or other statements about the specific action.

The point the ADL is making is that the toxicity of extremism (right or left) is the problem and creates numerous issues for society. And it just so happens that, except for one instance, every perp had ties/interest/fascination with right extremism.

I am pretty sure that Zariya and others would have just as much disgust for left wing extremists if they went around murdering people. But generally they don't as they are more of the destroy public property and beat up people type of extremists.

Last, all media have questionable headlines these days as it is hard to attract viewers without. What matters is the quality of the report itself. In this case the ADL report is very good because it explains its reasoning.

I'm complaining that the ADL pushes a narrative with their headlines that will convince those who don't bother to read deeper to assume that the right wing is responsible for all murders.

You only have to look as far as the comments in this thread to see it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

There is a recent example to show that not all extremism is on the right.

Yes I read my link. According to that link, most 2018 terror was linked to far right extremism. Stop spinning this.

Murder and Extremism in 2018: Summary of Major Findings

• Every perpetrator had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently begun supporting Islamist extremism.
• Firearms remain the weapon of choice for extremists who kill. Guns were responsible for 42 of the 50 deaths in 2018, followed by blades or edged weapons.
• Five shooting sprees resulted in 38 deaths and left 33 people injured.
• Among the five extremist-related shooting sprees in 2018: Tree of Life Synagogue, Pittsburgh, PA: 11 dead; Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Parkland, FL: 17 dead; Waffle House, Nashville, TN: four dead.
• The perpetrator of the deadly shooting spree at a yoga studio in Tallahassee was connected to the misogynistic incel/manosphere movement. In the wake of this attack and a similarly-motivated spate of murders in Toronto, ADL’s Center on Extremism now tracks such incidents as extremist-related killings.

This is also supported by the FBI's findings.

It's not all. Just most.

FBI director to Congress: Most domestic terror cases are driven by "white supremacist violence"

https://www.salon.com/2019/07/24/fbi-director-to-congress-most-domestic-terror-cases-are-driven-by-white-supremacist-violence/

Left wing terror is extremely rare in comparison, and that's just a fact.

Lol. You really don't read your links.

Wray’s testimony followed a House Homeland Security Committee hearing in May, where FBI counterterrorism chief Michael McGarrity testified that the bureau was investigating 850 potential domestic terrorism cases. McGarrity said that nearly half of the cases involved racially motivated extremists, most of whom were white supremacists.

Please stop and read before linking. Nearly half isn't most. Again another click bait headline that is contradicted just a few paragraphs down in the article which you would have found if you had bothered to read it.

FYI saying nearly half were white supremacists does NOT mean the other half were not right wing extremists or some portion therein.

The more you know...……….

That's your complaint? That the headline doesn't tell the whole story? That is like complaining about water being wet.

The fact is that most extremism leading to murder is from the right. Hell, this is true of Islamic extremists who are conservative by nature.

Most killing by extreme leftists is of the state sponsored kind, instead of individuals or leftist groups. Obviously there are exceptions, but wake up man.

You approach these things as this is somehow an indictment of everyone on the right. No it is an indictment of extremism. Get over yourself and your hang ups.

It also doesn't mean they were.

The more you know.......

Over your head my point was...………...

No I'm complaining that the headline is misleading.

It gives people like you the impression that the left does not engage in killing which is obviously untrue.

Conor Betts killed 9 people this year. He described himself as a socialist.

If anything it just shows how the media shapes your perceptions with what it chooses to cover and the headlines it uses.

1. Nearly half is "most" when the other 50% is split up between other groups.

2. You tell Wray he's wrong,

Wray told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the FBI has recorded about 100 domestic terrorism arrests in the last nine months. “A majority of the domestic terrorism cases we've investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence,” he told the panel.

I can and WILL state for a fact most Domestic terror over the last few years is right wing. Going by the ADL, FBI, and CATO.

The head line never said this.

The right engages in domestic terror exponentially more than the left, in recent history. That's just a fact.

No that's not a fact, that's a superlative.

That's a fact according to every single study I can find on this. It's not a small number difference of Left vs Right domestic terror over the last decade. It's a rather large difference. You know this.

He contradicts himself or misspoke. You would have to ask him yourself.

"McGarrity said that nearly half of the cases involved racially motivated extremists, most of whom were white supremacists."

Most of nearly half isn't a majority.

1. It is a majority if the other half are split up among different groups. You no maths?

2. I'm not asking him anything, we have a congressional quote, and I'm stating a fact when quoting him. Wray was talking about the arrests. McGarrity was talking about potential terrorism cases that were being investigated. Both stats look very very bad for the Far Right, even that second lesser one. You're not down playing this by any means.

Just accept it, why are you even defending these people.

You no reading comprehension or maths

Nearly half were racially motivated, meaning less than a majority. Of those most were white supremacists.

So since we aren't given specifics we can't get the exact number. What we can tell from the wording is that it definitely isn't a majority.

If someone engaged in terrorist activity, the matter should be referred to the justice department.

Ok. The GAO, FBI, SPLC, and ADL are not all wrong. If you want to make a wild claim and say they are all wrong you will have to come with very very strong citation or you're gonna get striked out like that.

A majority of actual domestic terror (Not potential/investigations into, Mr. Red Herring) is from the far right recently. Likely for the last decade as well,

Since September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. As shown in figure 2, fatalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violet extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Left wing terror is a fraction of the amount. This is not deniable.

A new terrorism database analysis shows almost two-thirds of the terror attacks in the United States last year were carried out by right-wing extremists.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/12/study-shows-two-thirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists

FBI director to Congress: Most domestic terror cases are driven by "white supremacist violence"

https://www.salon.com/2019/07/24/fbi-director-to-congress-most-domestic-terror-cases-are-driven-by-white-supremacist-violence/

Homegrown Terrorists in 2018 were almost all right wing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

Right-Wing Extremism Linked to Every 2018 Extremist Murder in the U.S., ADL Finds

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/right-wing-extremism-linked-to-every-2018-extremist-murder-in-the-us-adl-finds

When every study/data-point on this topic says you're DEAD wrong and you still don't quit, lol.

You went from all to majority to most.

When you get caught you double down.

If you never admit you're wrong maybe no one will notice.

• A majority of Domestic Terror has been from the far right recently. This is a confirmed fact by the FBI and GAO (And SPLC/ADL). Directly stated by them. You have not refuted it.
• Most of Domestic Terror has been from the far right recently. This is a confirmed fact by the FBI and GAO (And SPLC/ADL). Directly stated by them. You have not refuted it.
• I never said all. Anyone can look at my posts and see that.

Lose debates more often. Read what I'm writing and prove it wrong with citation, this isn't difficult.

I did refute two of the links you posted.

You then failed at math and reading comprehension. After that you just reposted the links and doubled down.

Speaking of recent, let's talk about Connor Betts.

Gas-lighting. I literally just posted a study from the US Government confirming this fact. As did Wray, ADL, SPLC. You have posted nothing refuting them. I double checked your posts I did not see citation refuting their numbers.

Since September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. As shown in figure 2, fatalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violet extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

We would need quite a few more of those for right wing domestic terrorism to not be exponentially higher than left wing domestic terrorism these last few years, or decade.Those are all facts.

McGarrity is a different person than Wray, and he was talking about very different things. Please perform superior research in the future. This screw up was your only counter arguement, and you lost badly.

"Wray told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the FBI has recorded about 100 domestic terrorism arrests in the last nine months. “A majority of the domestic terrorism cases we've investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence,” he told the panel."

"Wray’s testimony followed a House Homeland Security Committee hearing in May, where FBI counterterrorism chief Michael McGarrity testified that the bureau was investigating 850potential domestic terrorism cases."

Mind you both stats reflect extremely poorly towards the far right.

Do you Engrish?