Judge Shuts Down Trump's Sanctuary City Executive Order

After a temporary injunction, a Judge in California permanently blocked an Executive Order from President Trump that would have cut funding from sanctuary cities

A federal judge on Monday permanently blocked President Donald Trump’s executive order to cut funding from cities that limit cooperation with U.S. immigration authorities.

U.S. District Court Judge William Orrick rejected the administration’s argument that the executive order applies only to a relatively small pot of money and said Trump cannot set new conditions on spending approved by Congress.

The judge had previously made the same arguments in a ruling that put a temporary hold on the executive order targeting so-called sanctuary cities. The Trump administration has appealed that decision to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

A lawyer for the DOJ argued during a hearing before Orrick in April that the executive order applied to only a few grants that would affect less than $1 million for Santa Clara County and possibly no money for San Francisco.

But the judge disagreed, saying in his rulings that the order was written broadly to “reach all federal grants” and potentially jeopardized hundreds of millions of dollars in funding to San Francisco and Santa Clara.

He cited comments by the president and Attorney General Jeff Sessions as evidence that the order was intended to target a wide array of federal funding. And he said the president himself had called it a “weapon” to use against recalcitrant cities.

The Trump administration separately has also moved to withhold one particular law enforcement grant from sanctuary cities, prompting a new round of lawsuits that are pending.

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I still dont get how cities can ignore federal law. If that's the case, I'd like to be able to ignore a few laws i dont like. Like **** off, speeding tickets.

state/local authorities are not required to comply with ICE detainment requests

Trump should be OK with this; after all, he is all about state's right, small government, and is presenting himself as a great example by doing nothing. Hell he probably knew this would fail, just wanted to make a superficial effort like "Oh, gee, golly...well at least I tried right supporters?" then he snickers at the chumps that voted for him.

At this rate everyone would be better off if the rust haired tycoon just got impeached already. Trump is a danger to himself and others. And this is proof that he was literally trying to stifle equality just so he could spend more on starting nuclear war.

They aren't ignoring it. But they don't have to do ICE's job either.

Looking at where and who made the ruling, it isn't a surprise.

I still don't get how not doing the federal government's job for them is the same as ignoring laws.

It does depend on what exactly these cities are doing. They are allowed to be passive in most cases, but there are ways they can step into obstruction territory, and that they can't get away with. I don't know the particulars of these cases so can't say one way or the other. Since this is California we're talking about here, assuming they decide to pursue it, I suspect it will go all the way to the supreme court to be decided.

Pretty much.

I'm surprised you guys aren't in favor of this as it is a states' rights issue settled by the Supreme Court in which Scalia wrote for the majority.

Luckily, my department offers full 100% cooperation with the Department of Homeland Security and ICE. In fact, in my time working at a correctional facility before patrol, I help facilitate approximately 50+ ICE transfers. There could have been many more, but a las, sometimes the Feds lacked the space or the crimes did not qualify.

Well, good job of working for a police station that takes part in deporting people who probably have a better claim to this nation (at least the south west half) than you or anyone else in your police force do. Its the fascists way, right?

Technically speakingif it were possible ICE would have to deport nearly the entirety of US population aside from native americans. So kudos on this city for not letting poor unfortunate people be deported.

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@kod said:

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Luckily, my department offers full 100% cooperation with the Department of Homeland Security and ICE. In fact, in my time working at a correctional facility before patrol, I help facilitate approximately 50+ ICE transfers. There could have been many more, but a las, sometimes the Feds lacked the space or the crimes did not qualify.

Well, good job of working for a police station that takes part in deporting people who probably have a better claim to this nation (at least the south west half) than you or anyone else in your police force do. Its the fascists way, right?

Yah, good one. Ill definitely take that over acting like the gestapo thug and being proud of it.

I know right? It's so gustapo like in handing over felons to the Feds.

Godwin's Law never disappoints.

Even though holding people on ICE detainers may violate their rights?

No, like the targeting of Latinos, demanding of papers, breaking up families, violation of rights, etc, The typical nazi SS, gestapo tactics.

You know what else does not disappoint? Fascism. Because its always the same actions no matter where it takes place, its just a damn shame you lack the critical thinking to see it. Now lets ignore all this and go back to posting gifs when responding to any kind of criticism against your disgusting actions.

Oh, pandering to that narrative... as if the detainers on individuals in custody, for *crimes* within the State of California, and then the transfer of custody of felons (and previously deported *criminals*) to the Federal Government is akin to the Gestapo rounding up Jews for slaughter and slave labor.

So much saltiness.

Fascists always find ways to justify their actions and btw, rounding up the jews didnt start off with slaughter or slave labor did it? Again, these acts are the same every single time they pop up and like it or not, its what you're doing, justify it however you like... the nazi's did too. So did the Italians. What, because you can justify it as "someone broke the law" it some how means you're not committing the acts you are? No, if you had an ounce of honesty and historical knowledge in you, you'd know its exactly what you fascists do.

No, it started with demonizing and selective undermining - and then pandering to narratives that fear mongered. Irony aside, thank you for the pure comedy.

Missed this.

It will always be an ad-hoc basis, and with that, detainers must be based on probable cause.

The "breaking up families" card has been pulled I see. Blame a sovereign nation for enforcing its laws yet do not blame those violating the sovereignty of said nation? Pretty typical. Don't get too salty knowing illegals are living in fear.

The irony is you being incapable of understanding why fear mongering is a bad tactic to unrealistic things, not things you're currently doing that people were afraid that you'd do. Now go kick down some more doors, demand papers, remove children from their mothers and mothers from their children and pretend you're not doing the same fucking thing as Nazi thugs.

Im a constitionalist and a big fan of the reasons why America was founded. Obviously you and the nazi officer are not.

@Solaryellow: the sovereignty of this nation was broken the day Columbus and other Europeans landed on this continent dude. This whole country was illegal founded and in genocide at that.

Obviously you are not familiar with the definition of sovereignty.

It wasn't a nation then. FYI. Also Columbus didn't land here. Don't fall asleep in history class again.

@LJS9502_basic: he did too land here he rode here on a boat. And it indeed was a nation, a nation of many different native cultures that have been all but wiped out. I didn't fall asleep, its just the fuckboys who write our history books like to omit important stuff to make this blood country seem greater than it is

@Solaryellow: the supreme power or authority. And lets face it our sovereignty has been a joke for a long time. The top 1% horde so much wealth while the rest of the nation has to make do with what little they can get, we allowed a soggy cheeto puff to become president, mass shootings are still common and no one is doing a thing to stop it. So yes I know what sovereignty is. This continent had it before europeans came. The natives had leaders who knew how to respect the land they lived on. Even they knew how idiotic it was to build an oil pipeline through a river (leaked already btw).

Columbus landed somewhere in the Bahamas

Now that you are aware of the definition you must learn how to apply it properly since you wrongly applied it in your response.

Kick doors? Nah, we have a RAM for that - equipment courtesy of the military. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Solaryellow: i can't our government is a joke and undeserving of the authority they've been given

You know, you wouldnt be such a bad person if you didnt speak of these things with such glee, admiration and excusing for what you do.

Maybe lay off the happiness you have for being an active part of fascism. Which btw, again, you're now talking about using military equipment on civilians in your own country.... as i said before, fascism happens the same way every time it pops its head up and its not hard to see.

https://www.amazon.com/Burmese-Days-Novel-George-Orwell/dp/0156148501

It's interesting to see the issue of "State's Rights" being flipped: Republicans are supporting the federal government in its enforcement of immigration laws and Democrats are supporting the cities and states that wish to proclaim themselves as "sanctuaries" to protect immigrants.

Fascinating stuff.

Instead of posting memes, pretending that you're witty (you're not), maybe you can clarify your statement on this particular issue.

Same old story from the fake conservatives.

Its all about states rights until a state does something they disagree with.

Well I can find agreement in that statement.

What would you like clarification on?

Per my department policy, we are *not* allowed to contact the Federal Government to advise on potential citizenship. I *only* contacted the Feds when a ICE detainer was faxed to our department notifying us they were interested in someone within our custody. Although, on some occasions, an employee did not see a detainer on the fax machine and only notified me after the inmate was already released. It happens. Hell, per the Feds, they would only be interested in previously deported individuals or, the obvious, individuals in custody for felonies or previously convicted of a felony. It was very common for fresh arrestees on felonious crimes to bond out, so naturally, ICE agents would like to speak with the individuals before they left our custody. That doesn't mean *each* inmate I gave to the Feds were transferred to be deported. Many times, ICE simply wants to talk to the subjects in regards to their where-abouts and means of contact. Feds have to use their resources wisely within California, there are simply too many illegals, and not enough resources to account for it all.

As for the gifs and memes, it's hard not to laugh at the comedy keyboard warriors provide. Internet is always serious business, mate. ;)

You know what the worst part is about the whole... i dont know... Trump generation of fake libertarians and conservatives? What you just did. This running to "its just a joke bro" or "don't be so serious" when you get backed into a corner after seriously discussing your fascist actions. This incredibly dishonest sprint to "Internet is always serious business" after you brag and praise yourself of committing these real world acts that affect real people within our country. Then instead of even attempting to recognize what you're doing, the fascist actions you're taking, you run to meme's or this nonsense. If you're not interested in having a serious conversation on these topics, go talk about what its like to be a Bronie or speak about how great the last pokemon game was in a pokemon thread, but don't sit here and try to discuss these very serious issues where you take part in being the worst of humanity and then cry "its for the lol's" when you're called out.

Ah, the outrage continues and you don't even realize what the joke is. lol

I don't know dude....I always take those posts of yours as you not having a rebuttal to a point someone made.

@LJS9502_basic: Like I've told you before, sometimes we can sit and waste our time explaining fundamentals or banter with individuals saying we didn't land on the moon, 9/11 was an inside Job, climate change isn't real, etc, but giving credence to posturing and conjecture just isn't in my playbook. I don't mind the comedy.

The point is that you could dispel misconceptions especially since you're the one that claimed that your department is in full compliance with ICE and therefore have first hand experience with how ICE operates. Yeah, it's an internet message board, but for those who are on the fence or ignorant on the issue, this doesn't do any favors since one is calling the other a Nazi and the other is just posting memes.

Since when are states required to do the federal government's job? Republicans sure don't want the federal government doing a states job. Another fine example of hypocrisy among Republicans.

I love comedy, im a very comedic person, but what you're doing is absolutely nothing close to comedy. You're trying to have one foot on the authority side and lean on it when you can, then one foot in the "comedy" side (according to you and 12 year olds) and then lean on that foot when you cant defend what you've said. And clearly the fact that multiple people, with very different political views and very different comedic views are telling you this, should tell you that you're doing what is being said and you should stop justifying with it BS.

@drunk_pi: Like I said, if you need clarification on something, don't hesitate to ask and I will shed some light on it. As for posting gifs and tongue in cheek to the outrage posting, that's his schtick, as giving credence to those who scream Nazi doesn't do any favors.