Should America have gun rights in this day and age? Why? Why not?

Again you people use emotionally driven disinformation. "There's a mass shooting every day in America." No, there isn't. If there was, it'd be all over the rabidly anti gun media. Every single one of them. Most those "shootings" are gang related violence, not some crazy person going out to murder innocents as you would like people to believe, as those who told you that nonsense would like you to believe. That gang violence also occurs in, and is going up in cities ran by people refusing to enforce existing laws.

Also, the US is larger than any other country in the world, except two. There's a reason you hear about the US more than France or Germany. Because there's over 320 million of us. And New Zealand? You could fit the entire population of New Zealand into New York City 5-6 times over.

Government isn't staffed by people for the people, it's made up of bureaucracies created by congress to circumvent their own duties and delegate more authority to the executive branch where leaders are appointed to make laws on behalf of those elected in large part by the media. You don't get the option to pick someone who is actually "for the people." You get a choice between two people who are for the system which keeps them in power.

Also, it doesn't matter what your impression of the military is, or how long you think it'd take for this or that to happen. None of that is even remotely relevant to the right in question. You show how naive you are talking down about "shitty" parts of the world, and arrogantly believe that shittiness cannot and will not happen in the US. That arrogance is exactly why it's only a matter of time before it does.

Standards are not much higher than what you would like to think. You think you're so much better than those people from those "shitty" places but you're not. They're no different than you are. They fell for the same bullshit you're spreading right now, that more power in the hands of politicians was some how going to work out to their benefit. It didn't. And I hate to break it to you, but it never will.

@xdude85: That's a lot of BS for one post, try to spread it out more next time

In this day and age? The apocalypse is upon us, what better time to start packing heat.

https://youtu.be/O_3_-UrhZH0

@eoten: @vfighter:

Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence in America 2021 (So Far)

Murders: 13,253

Mass Shootings: 452

Murder Suicides: 385

@xdude85: you forgot the biggest one

Suicide 15,576

We would still absolutely stand a chance against the military because by the time that happens, the military will have already been divided in a coup.

Blow up pipelines, take up military bases, cut food supply. You don't just need a rifle to accomplish these things but it does help in a battle against the other side. Maybe you just want a way out and don't want to participate which means that rifle can save you and your family.

America doesn't know what it's like to truly struggle and have their shit taken away from them.

Yeah no. The US military is highly trained and highly equipped. A bunch of good ole boys playing soldier isn't going to do it.

There’s a vicious circle in the US. Even when you don’t particularly want to have a gun, the fact that your neighbours have guns then you maybe inclined to have one yourself.

That plus the gun culture, constitutional rights, general high violent crime rate and … do people inherit guns too… I guess they do.

America would certainly be in a better place without guns but I honestly don’t know how this issue could be resolved.

@kadin_kai: I got my first gun .22 at 6yo for Christmas, grew up around them my whole life.

Nobody I know is going to give up their guns. They don't care what the government says. Its their right to own it.

Nobody wants the job of trying confiscate either lol.

Gun violence sucks, but it's not as wide spread here in the states as people act when you take into account how large the population. Take into account over 50% are suicide.

Then take into account the other half is 75% pistols.

Its starts painting a clearer picture. We have pockets where it is really high. Lots of gun homicide is gang/drug related in pockets of the inner city. Alot of these people are felons and are already breaking the law by having one.

Rural communities have way more guns and looser laws and don't experience that type of violence very often.

People who are not for more gun laws just don't see increasing gun control laws as a solution. Where the anti gun crowd feels it will.

Some people just don't believe more laws will stop it, they would be giving up their guns for nothing essentially.

If he cared he wouldn't be using falsified statistics anyway. And he actually thinks if made illegal, gangsters and drug dealers, already committed to a life of crime, would stop using them and sit down to a chess match to solve their differences.

I don't think most people need them. There should be a whole lot less of them being made, and they should be extremely difficult to fabricate and own. If you're caught with guns that aren't registered you should go straight to jail, for the rest of your life. I want to be able to go on google maps and see a list of your arms, so I can avoid you like a sex offender.

It's not really an argument it's just my perspective. Whatever benefit our country may have from allowing people to own and operate guns doesn't really seem worth it after all the negative things that have come from it. I don't trust people who rely on guns for protection.

Aaw, and you people claim to be the ones fighting the authoritarians. Do you know why the 2A exists? To fight authoritarians :-D.

Also, I'll tell you what I've told others. Stop listening to bullshit propaganda and maybe, just maybe you'd have an understanding as to why the 2A exists, and how many people guns actually help every year. You only see all those negative things, because you've only ever been told negative things. That's how disinformation works.

LOL the irony............and no self awareness.

I think Australia over the last year has been a great example of why Americans need to keep their guns. Australia disarmed their citizens in what... the 90's? Now they have a fascist government arresting people for visiting family and friends, mandating "potentially"... not even actually infected but potentially infected people have a notification on their home. Oh, then they're basically making concentration camps that should be up and running by 2022 for those not wanting to comply. They already gunned down a bunch of rescue dogs so citizens wouldn't travel to adopt them.

Wonder why that's not happening in America (yet)...? Because the citizens are armed.

Aah, but the left wants a society where government rules everyone and everything by force. Because they actually think that government is on their side.

Considering my source literally links you to every mass shooting, the details of each incident, and where it occurred. Then again, you're a liar who doesn't back up anything he says.

Care to offer a real rebuttal?

Gun Violence in America (2021 So Far)

Total Gun Deaths: 29,026

Murders: 13,318

Mass Shootings: 452

Oh, and we do have an agency that was founded to stop illegal firearms trafficking. It's called the ATF, too bad it's been butchered and underfunded that it can't actually do its purpose because of gun-nut politicians.

Really blows my mind that thousands of people needlessly dying every year from guns is acceptable in America, when literally no other civilized country in the world thinks so and passed laws and regulations so they wouldn't be like America.

Lol, now there's a conspiracy theory...

Why then does the US have such a piss poor record for a supposedly developed country?

I absolutely believe we should have the ability to own and carry firearms. However, I do believe we should have stricter controls on how they are purchased, to whom they are sold to, and how they are maintained and tracked. All guns should be registered, require gun safety lessons which should be renewed periodically, and gun deaths/injuries legally tracked by the CDC for impact analysis.

@HoolaHoopMan: Background checks are already mandatory for legal sales. A problem around the world is the black market. Criminals will not comply with any new rules and the cities and states with the strictest gun control laws in America have proven their laws don't work as gun violence runs rampant in those areas.

Also... CDC? No thanks. Don't need China telling us what we should do.

Are you saying that the CDC is run by China?

@HoolaHoopMan: Heavily influenced if not corrupted by... yes. WHO is as well. Hell, the entire Biden administration.

Oh, so just conspiracy nonsense then. Par for the course.

@HoolaHoopMan: Lately it takes about a month to go from conspiracy to reality.

Give us examples.

Far right and conspiracy theories.

@HoolaHoopMan: Sure. How about people getting banned on social media for the conspiracy that booster shots are going to be coming. Now a month or so later and it's looking like fact.

Who were these people, and what exact social media posts caused them to be banned? I want full context.

Source

Your premise is wrong.

1. You don't live under a "tyrannical" government. There has never been one in the history of the USA from Columbus to now. The English were hardly tyrannical. It's not a matter of the government's guns are bigger than yours (though they are, and the 2A stockpilers wouldn't stand a chance).

2. 2A is a product of it's time where Americans were more inclined to be armed considering it was still a growing country and many countries were vying for land within the modern US border. 2A was written for muskets, not semi-automatic weapons.

3. The gun advocates will bitch about their "rights." It's a complete misunderstanding of how the law actually works. Law evolves and the constitution has been interpreted as time has progressed. For example, free speech has limitations, freedom of mobility has limitations, freedom of expression has limitations. The "freedoms" have NEVER been absolutely "free." The fact that there are not more limitations to 2A is because of insane party interests.

4. Power has always been in the hands of the people. It's called voting.

5. There are checks and balances in Congress that prevent the threat of turning an army against it's citizens. Also, each state has it's own police force not under the direction of the feds.

6. NRA may be the most dumb human beings in the US. As or worse than the "woke." Also whom I despise.

BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM, there are too many guns in the wild. So, unfortunately, I would want one to protect myself (against other gun owners) just in case even though the thought sickens me.

And, listen, I went to a shooting range, I found it a lot of fun. I'm not into hunting. And I feel for the responsible gun owners, but the danger outweighs the responsible owners. My opinion of course.

As a side note, the two-party system might be the most stupid system in modern democracy. US prides itself on it's democratic process, yet no other party has a chance to get in. Ross Perot being the closest. It's a false plurality.

@sonic_spark: Curious what your thoughts on what Australia is currently doing are.

With the lockdowns? Wholly unnecessary.

I think the way this was handled across the board was terrible. I understand that the CDC has flip flopped. If they just said, listen, we know masks/social distancing/clean surfaces work, let's do that period - better safe than sorry, would have been better than flip flopping.

I was not against a very temporary lockdown for out of control numbers. But recurring lockdowns and prolonged ones are ridiculous.

I was not thrilled about receiving the vaccine, though I'm double vaxxed. And I'm not thrilled with the government mandating it. Problem is, there are so many conspiracy/anti-vaxxers, who are actually making it worse and forcing the issue.

And that is essentially what happened in Australia. They didn't get their vaccine numbers up, and instead are going into lockdown. Seems silly to me with such low numbers.

ROFL, completely lost touch with reality eh?
Dangerous rabbit hole you've gone down...

Big numbers for here mate.

They're really isn't a valid excuse for guns as a right in any country. Gun ownership should be a privilege and privilege should be required to be continually demonstrated.

All of the pro gun arguments are specious, at best. The worst is that "if we banned things, it would increase crime and criminals would create a massive black market!!!". Not true at all. We know this for a fact because guns are banned in certain countries and this mysterious black market has never appeared.

I don't believe the ownership of guns is the issue. The gun violence is just the tragic result of other unaddressed issues that continue to be unaddressed by leaders in the USA. I remember when these things were rarely in the news. Back when they used to shock people. It wasn't that long ago.

If all the guns were to somehow disappear, of course the shootings would go away. What replaces them is anyone's guess. Unless the problems that make people want to go out and commit such violence are addressed, restrictions are like putting a band aid on a tumor.

Why should those so-called leaders address the actual problems when they can allow those problems to persist, blame convenient scapegoats, and collect votes from those who believe it? Those "leaders" have no interest in solving the underlying issues, so they blame tools, and by extension, voters of the other political party.

The reality is, most shootings are gang/drug related. And the gang/drug problems are absolutely a failure of leadership.

but also mental health to.

A tiny, tiny, tiny percent may be related to that. The media sensationalizes that to deflect from the reality. Of the homicides that occur, more than half the victims are black. Of those, more than half of them are male. Most victims in the US fall within the age group of the late teens, to mid 20s. This isn't a mental health problem, it's not a gun problem, it's not even a race problem. It's a leadership problem so overwhelming so that anyone who blames the police, mental health, or the tools is just blowing smoke up your ass to shift blame.

@eoten: it's clearly a gun problem, and why do you claim it's also not a race problem, but constantly mention blacks? You're like that guy who starts sentences with "I'm not racist, but...".

Which is why they got all their equipment stolen and lost to the Taliban lol

US couldn't survive a coup with all this woke crap happening.

Aah, and there it is. Cannot talk about the actual cause without your programming to call everyone who disagrees with your delusion that the tools at fault by calling them a racist. No independent thinking required, no effort to actually solve the issue. Accuse the other person of being racist, and whine about the tool.

You do not actually want to help the communities where crime is a problem. You don't want to address the leadership that have turned those communities to shit because it would implicate your "team" you fanboy over and after all, politics and your ego are certainly more important than solving real problems.

People like you are why these problems never get solved. People like you are why those communities never get better. People like you are more responsible for the homicide rate, than the average gun owner you're trying to point fingers at.

The equipment the Taliban has was from the Afghan military when they ran away. They didn't take it from US soldiers. Stop pushing a false agenda.

Gun rights are more important than ever. The first responsibility of a nation is to protect it's citizens unfortunately the United States can no longer do that. For political reasons law enforcement has been destroyed and criminals are free to do what they will. They are making sure our military personnel must think the way the government wants. In a few tears the greatest military in the world will be a shame. This coming from a veteran.

Wow. Such a rant, yet not based on reality.

The afghan army that simply gave up and turned sides. And I never said it was stolen from US soldiers, just the US military as a whole because that is their equipment.

No, it was no longer the US equipment.

Man, that was such a strange, pointless tirade. People with guns are 100% responsible for all shootings. I guess good luck with blaming shootings on the people without the guns. 🤣

@JimB: Yet the US has the highest incarcration rate in the world.