Should America have gun rights in this day and age? Why? Why not?

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#101 JimB
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@LJS9502_basic said:
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Gun rights are more important than ever. The first responsibility of a nation is to protect it's citizens unfortunately the United States can no longer do that. For political reasons law enforcement has been destroyed and criminals are free to do what they will. They are making sure our military personnel must think the way the government wants. In a few tears the greatest military in the world will be a shame. This coming from a veteran.

Wow. Such a rant, yet not based on reality.

Based on fact.

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#102 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Of course, but the right isn't absolute.

With that said, I do love my Daniel Defense DDM4 V7. Switched out the trigger with a fancy Geissele, and added a Trijicon MRO. Straight joy to shoot. It's "California compliant" with a bullet button, but there's "solutions" (magnet) available to that as well.

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#103 LJS9502_basic
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@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Wow. Such a rant, yet not based on reality.

Based on fact.

Jim I've never seen you post based on fact.

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#104 VFighter
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@LJS9502_basic: So he has your posting style? Or doesn't he throw in enough BS to get to your level yet?

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#105 LJS9502_basic
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@LJS9502_basic: So he has your posting style? Or doesn't he throw in enough BS to get to your level yet?

I support with links. If you don't believe facts then there isn't anything that can be done. That's on you.

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#106 Eoten
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@JimB: Yet the US has the highest incarcration rate in the world.

Then maybe you should ask yourself why so many end up in prison. They are not innocent people there. The US, through media, has for decades encouraged a culture that glorifies crime and violence. Maybe you should start there instead of whining about one of the symptoms.

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#107  Edited By xdude85
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@eoten said:
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@JimB: Yet the US has the highest incarcration rate in the world.

Then maybe you should ask yourself why so many end up in prison. They are not innocent people there. The US, through media, has for decades encouraged a culture that glorifies crime and violence. Maybe you should start there instead of whining about one of the symptoms.

It's media and entertainment's fault America has more prisoners than any other country?

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#108 blaznwiipspman1
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Guns are engraved in American history and culture. But there needs to be common sense on gun ownership, background checks, etc. I find it ridiculous that some mentally ill dude can walk into a store and come out with a duffel bag full of guns, then shoot up a school, killing 30 students. The one I'll remember for the rest of my life is the disgusting sandy hook shooting. I think around 20 kids, 5 and 6 year olds were killed by some sick twisted bastard. Stricter laws should have been passed then and there but the radical right, and fox news with their agenda made sure it didn't happen. Shameful bastards. If these crazy right wingers can't even agree to regulation of guns, then the country is better off splitting up. These nut jobs will only bring the country down. And trust me, I'm fairly right wing on most thing, especially regarding the economy, and tons of social issues but when it comes to things like guns, I'm in favor of common sense.

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#109 Eoten
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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

Guns are engraved in American history and culture. But there needs to be common sense on gun ownership, background checks, etc. I find it ridiculous that some mentally ill dude can walk into a store and come out with a duffel bag full of guns, then shoot up a school, killing 30 students. The one I'll remember for the rest of my life is the disgusting sandy hook shooting. I think around 20 kids, 5 and 6 year olds were killed by some sick twisted bastard. Stricter laws should have been passed then and there but the radical right, and fox news with their agenda made sure it didn't happen. Shameful bastards. If these crazy right wingers can't even agree to regulation of guns, then the country is better off splitting up. These nut jobs will only bring the country down. And trust me, I'm fairly right wing on most thing, especially regarding the economy, and tons of social issues but when it comes to things like guns, I'm in favor of common sense.

Aah, another comment based in what they heard on TV and not in fact. Not surprising. The kid from the Sandy Hook incident didn't buy any guns, he killed someone and stole them. If you believe that is the same as walking into a gun store and buying them, well then, there's probably no hope for you.

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#110 JimB
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Wow. Such a rant, yet not based on reality.

Based on fact.

Jim I've never seen you post based on fact.

Could be you don't know what the facts are, you need to broaden your information sources.

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#111 Eoten
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@xdude85 said:
@eoten said:
@thenation said:

@JimB: Yet the US has the highest incarcration rate in the world.

Then maybe you should ask yourself why so many end up in prison. They are not innocent people there. The US, through media, has for decades encouraged a culture that glorifies crime and violence. Maybe you should start there instead of whining about one of the symptoms.

It's media and entertainment's fault America has more prisoners than any other country?

Are you claiming they are innocent? That they did not commit felonies? We have more people in prison because we have more people committing crimes to end up in prison. Why exactly do you think that is?

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#112  Edited By mattbbpl
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@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Wow. Such a rant, yet not based on reality.

Based on fact.

Jim I've never seen you post based on fact.

Could be you don't know what the facts are, you need to broaden your information sources.

Yes! Share these information sources with us and broaden our minds.

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#113 LJS9502_basic
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@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

Based on fact.

Jim I've never seen you post based on fact.

Could be you don't know what the facts are, you need to broaden your information sources.

Oh I know the facts dude. You prove you do not with every post you make.

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#114 VFighter
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@LJS9502_basic: You know the lies told to you, facts not so much.

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#115  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@vfighter said:

@LJS9502_basic: You know the lies told to you, facts not so much.

Ironic from those who watch the propagandists.

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#116 VFighter
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@LJS9502_basic: I don't watch mainstream news, be it CNN or Fox, it's all garbage and slanted lies. Cute try though, you seem to be full of fails.

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#117  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@vfighter said:

@LJS9502_basic: I don't watch mainstream news, be it CNN or Fox, it's all garbage and slanted lies. Cute try though, you seem to be full of fails.

And yet you repeat far right talking points.

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#118 VFighter
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@LJS9502_basic: Keep tossing that shit at the wall, it's gotta stick at some point right?

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#119 mattbbpl
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@LJS9502_basic: He didn't claim he didn't follow right wing news, he claimed he didn't mainstream news. There's a whole ecosystem of fringe news out there which is even worse than Fox.

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#120 mrbojangles25
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@mattbbpl said:

@LJS9502_basic: He didn't claim he didn't follow right wing news, he claimed he didn't mainstream news. There's a whole ecosystem of fringe news out there which is even worse than Fox.

Scary. And to think FOX News might be the tamest of it all.

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#122 mattbbpl
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@mrbojangles25: It is. Go ahead and follow some of the Conservative AM radio shows or some of the Alt Right sites for a bit. It's amazing.

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#123  Edited By xdude85
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@eoten: You said "The US, through media, has for decades encouraged a culture that glorifies crime and violence. Maybe you should start there instead of whining about one of the symptoms."

I asked how violent entertainment is responsible for this.

You didn't answer the question.

Instead you started gaslighting by implying that I believed that criminals are innocent.

You then moved the goalposts and asked me for the burden of proof for why so many Americans are in prison.

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#124 lamprey263
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When you got people threatening violent revolution because of masks or their baseless beliefs the election was stolen, think we should. Not those people.

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#125 mojito1988
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I like to go hunting, so yes. I like my guns thank you very much.

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When you got people threatening violent revolution because of masks or their baseless beliefs the election was stolen, think we should. Not those people.

Oh no, someone has a different opinion than you. Disarm them and force them to comply! That doesn't at all prove their point in doing so.

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@eoten said:
@lamprey263 said:

When you got people threatening violent revolution because of masks or their baseless beliefs the election was stolen, think we should. Not those people.

Oh no, someone has a different opinion than you. Disarm them and force them to comply! That doesn't at all prove their point in doing so.

Being utterly detached from reality and advocating violence goes beyond having a different opinion, that's a danger to society that warrants taking away the privileges of gun ownership. Also, the irony of your statement seems lost on you.

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#128 Eoten
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@lamprey263 said:
@eoten said:
@lamprey263 said:

When you got people threatening violent revolution because of masks or their baseless beliefs the election was stolen, think we should. Not those people.

Oh no, someone has a different opinion than you. Disarm them and force them to comply! That doesn't at all prove their point in doing so.

Being utterly detached from reality and advocating violence goes beyond having a different opinion, that's a danger to society that warrants taking away the privileges of gun ownership. Also, the irony of your statement seems lost on you.

People aren't threatening revolution over masks, stop being a drama queen. People are however refusing compliance with vaccine mandates and may defend themselves if someone attempts to force a needle into them, which is their right to do so. People like you are the real danger to society, the ones who see every slight or every disagreement as some kind of threat and demands something be done to stop them. Leave your house some time and actually talk to people in real life instead of reading a bunch of nonsense online.

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David Chipman withdrawn from ATF nomination! 💯

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#130  Edited By Zaryia
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@eoten said:
@lamprey263 said:
@eoten said:
@lamprey263 said:

When you got people threatening violent revolution because of masks or their baseless beliefs the election was stolen, think we should. Not those people.

Oh no, someone has a different opinion than you. Disarm them and force them to comply! That doesn't at all prove their point in doing so.

Being utterly detached from reality and advocating violence goes beyond having a different opinion, that's a danger to society that warrants taking away the privileges of gun ownership. Also, the irony of your statement seems lost on you.

People aren't threatening revolution over masks, stop being a drama queen.

Uh,

Tucker Carlson: If public officials keep acting like this, there may be a revolution | Fox News

‘Rise up, America!’ Screaming man tries to start anti-mask revolution at airport, gets laughed at | The Independent

@eoten said:

People aren't threatening revolution over masks, stop being a drama queen. People are however refusing compliance with vaccine mandates and may defend themselves if someone attempts to force a needle into them,

Fictional scenario. Someone won't force a needle in them, they'll just possibly lose their job or have to do a weekly Covid test. Also, we have had vaccine mandates for hundreds of years, so maybe stop being a drama queen about it and help save lives?

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#131 Eoten
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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@lamprey263 said:
@eoten said:
@lamprey263 said:

When you got people threatening violent revolution because of masks or their baseless beliefs the election was stolen, think we should. Not those people.

Oh no, someone has a different opinion than you. Disarm them and force them to comply! That doesn't at all prove their point in doing so.

Being utterly detached from reality and advocating violence goes beyond having a different opinion, that's a danger to society that warrants taking away the privileges of gun ownership. Also, the irony of your statement seems lost on you.

People aren't threatening revolution over masks, stop being a drama queen.

Uh,

Tucker Carlson: If public officials keep acting like this, there may be a revolution | Fox News

‘Rise up, America!’ Screaming man tries to start anti-mask revolution at airport, gets laughed at | The Independent

@eoten said:

People aren't threatening revolution over masks, stop being a drama queen. People are however refusing compliance with vaccine mandates and may defend themselves if someone attempts to force a needle into them,

Fictional scenario. Someone won't force a needle in them, they'll just possibly lose their job or have to do a weekly Covid test. Also, we have had vaccine mandates for hundreds of years, so maybe stop being a drama queen about it and help save lives?

So your proof to the contrary is a prediction by Cucker Tarlson and some guy who got laughed at? ROFLMAO.

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#132  Edited By Zaryia
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@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@lamprey263 said:

Being utterly detached from reality and advocating violence goes beyond having a different opinion, that's a danger to society that warrants taking away the privileges of gun ownership. Also, the irony of your statement seems lost on you.

People aren't threatening revolution over masks, stop being a drama queen.

Uh,

Tucker Carlson: If public officials keep acting like this, there may be a revolution | Fox News

‘Rise up, America!’ Screaming man tries to start anti-mask revolution at airport, gets laughed at | The Independent

@eoten said:

People aren't threatening revolution over masks, stop being a drama queen. People are however refusing compliance with vaccine mandates and may defend themselves if someone attempts to force a needle into them,

Fictional scenario. Someone won't force a needle in them, they'll just possibly lose their job or have to do a weekly Covid test. Also, we have had vaccine mandates for hundreds of years, so maybe stop being a drama queen about it and help save lives?

So your proof to the contrary is a prediction by Cucker Tarlson and some guy who got laughed at? ROFLMAO.

I mean it literally disproved your sentence as wrong, seems like you're now just nitpicking the 2 counters. I've seen several anti-mask protests with violence, I can link those too for you I guess.

Also, I'm glad you accept my facts on vaccine mandates. Don't get tricked by those weird far right social media posts and Politicians, vaccine mandates aren't new and no one will show up to your door. That's now how they work. You might get fired though, or have to take weekly tests.