Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died of metastatic pancreatic cancer at age 87.

My politics don't match yours so I'm a traitor following a guy taking orders from Putin. Got it.

@ad1x2: When the guy taking orders from Putin works in the White House. Isn't that the definition of treason?

So you missed the sarcasm when I said he was taking orders from Putin.

Notice that I declined to make a joke about Biden or the MSM in general taking orders from China but I could have thrown that in there as a rebuttal.

15 years on online forums and still haven't learned how difficult it is convey sarcasm through written text? Users have been banned for less.

You know this article exist?

Actually, Obama's replacement was a centrist, rather than a left-winger.

In my ideal world, all SCOTUS justices would be centrists, but alas. Politics sucks.

Over the past three years, some of the things posters have said on this forum about the president, his supporters, and pretty much anyone that doesn't believe there should be 535 Democrats in Congress are pretty harsh. Why should a ban even be bought up in regards to discussing sarcasm about claims POTUS is under Vladamir Putin's control?

The poster I quoted outright called me a traitor to my country because my political opinion does not match his. I am not asking for him to be banned or even modded, but what would happen if I called him one? In regards to that story you linked, it does not show proof Trump is being controlled by Russia regardless of whether or not you think he is being sarcastic.

Also, here's an interesting video talking about the threats of violence and other things relevant to the past 24 hours by left-leaning Trump supporter Tim Pool:

If you don't want to watch it, he shows a Twitter thread with screenshots of several blue checkmarks threatening to burn Congress down if Trump tries to confirm RBG's replacement as well as him mentioning some of the reasons he decided to vote for Trump after supporting Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang during the primaries. He also mentions how the Antifa and BLM riots made him pro-2A after being anti-gun for most of his adult life.

People say Trump is the bad guy, but it's liberals threatening riots and showing up at Mitch McConnell's house right now in response to RBG's death.

@ad1x2: The red-pilling of Tim Pool of the last year has been very entertaining to watch, hard to believe he went from being yang gang and mommy tulsi, to we have to re-elect Trump NOW, due to recent events.

I appreciate his voice, he's tried being the fence sitter for so long and the democrats broke him.

@ad1x2: I am saying that certain things, even if meant to be said jokingly has to be explicitly stated that are said as a joke. If you happen to post "And I am 12" as a joke to another post you will be banned. Never think sarcasm is understood through text. Yes context helps, but won't always save you.

Well, thank you RBG for your service to this country.

@ad1x2: Are you serious? It’s conservatives breaking into government buildings armed and showing up at governors homes threatening to kill them. Wake up.

@jeezers: Tim pool is a troll looking for views.

LOL, you can't be serious, right?

There may be some disconnect in our conversation. While I used some sarcasm, it was in response to another post questioning my loyalty to my country because I'm voting for a man he believes is being controlled by the head of the Russian government. While potentially offensive, I'm not sure whether or not that means I am breaking the TOS since it isn't threatening violence, pornographic, or insulting a protected category.

Being an asshole isn't synonymous with holding no moral center or values as an individual. You can come off as a prick in getting the job done while not compromising what is morally right or sacrificing your values. It is evident that your leader in combat was a morally decent human being, I can say that with confidence given your assessment that he cared about your lives due to his efficacy in saving them. That tends me to believe he was a decent man despite his manner of achieving this end. Can you honestly claim the same about Trump? He has no moral center whatsoever or values past what serve himself and his interests, this is blatantly apparent. He is morally bankrupt.

It is very telling, but not entirely unsurprising nor unpredictable, that you are unable to discern and grasp such an important distinction.

Further, I'm getting sick and tired of an argument being dismissed simply because six letters appear on the screen. Read my paragraph again. I am not comparing Hitler to Trump and I don't know how you got that from what I wrote. I am using Hitler as an example that simply because he had policies that many Germans found profitable to their own situation, that their placing their confidence into him in overlooking his character due to those policies (which is exactly the rationale you are putting forth) was probably not the best course of action given its ultimate outcome, was it? Are you incapable of understanding that downplaying character in favor of policy is incredibly naive and dangerous? I don't even understand why this needs to be spelled out.

@Sevenizz: ‘This should not even be spoken of until a designated period of mourning has concluded.’

It’s not like the Democrats gave anytime to mourn when Scalia passed.

As I said, I don't disagree. I hate politics.

@eoten: of course they'll do everything in their power to ram one through. And you can be damn sure the DNC would have done the same in 2016 if they held the senate at the time. It seems ethics, working across the isle, and compromise are only things touted by the left when they do not have any power. Once they do then it's getting shut out of committees, being told they're going to the back of the bus, and "we have to pass this bill to see what's in it" nonsense.

As I said, I don't disagree. I hate politics.

@MirkoS77: I feel that it would not be very productive for us to go back and forth on morals and policy in this thread especially since it was originally made to announce the death of Justice Ginsburg. But I will respond to one thing:

Hey Hitler's policy's helped Germany....at the cost of 11 million being tossed into ovens and the world being thrown into chaos with tens of millions more dying as a result. Would you be saying the same thing in the midst of the Holocaust? Why not? You voted for results of policy, not a drinking buddy right?

Based on that statement, regardless of what your original intent was it still strongly implies that Trump either did something as bad as the Holocaust or he would do something as bad as the Holocaust without question if he could get away with it as long as it benefited the country. Statements like that are what push away moderate Trump supporters that in most other situations would have been willing to hear you out.

To make it simpler, you're suggesting that Trump supporters are so morally corrupt that they would vote for a mass murderer just to "own the libs," and/or because they agree with the desires and/or political goals of a mass murderer. Insulting the people you are trying to bring to your side usually doesn't result in them coming to your side.

Considering the damning eyewitness statements against Trump for Russian collusion, from blackmailing Ukraine to being tolerant of Russian hits on U.S. servicemen, yeah... my politics definitely don't match yours.

Damning eyewitness statements against Trump for Russian collusion? Really? You're still going with that conspiracy theory? But, let's ignore the Clintons getting thousands of dollars in speaking fees after the Uranium 1 deal and "Tell president Putin I'll have more flexibility after my re-election" shortly before Crimea was annexed and Obama barely raised an eyebrow?

I guess it depends on how you feel about the loss of life due to covid. Not genocide per se but still a leader causing death. I avoid comparing the Holocaust to trump's administration myself. But he does have the same leadership tendencies as fascists.

Refute the 1,000 page Senate Intel report that came out in August or concede.

Bipartisan Senate Report Shows How Trump Colluded With Russia in 2016

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/bipartisan-senate-report-shows-2016-trump-russia-collusion.html

Back on Topic: I feel a stacked conservative court in a country that leans left on most major policies that they would decide is disastrous. GOP cheats their way into these things, like not allowing Garland but now probably allowing Barrett. Like how they rely on gerrymandering and voter suppression. The tactics of the less popular.

@zaryia: You know who that is?

Lmao Bald Grifter is so stupid.

"Hey guys I lean left or moderately on all major policies. But now I'm fine with across the board far right leaning policies because a few liberals on twitter are annoying!"

Yikes. So fake. He's a bald Candace Owens. They see the $$ in doing this.

"I want you to use my words against me. If there's a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said, 'Let's let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination,' "

You forgot to mention the riots as being one of the reasons he is continuing to support Trump (took Biden almost three months to condemn the violence only because he saw that the riots were lowering public support for BLM). The riots are also the reason he's now pro-2A.

By the way, just because someone is not moderate or left-leaning does not mean that they are far-right. It is not far-right to say you are tired of the riots and it's not far-right to say you think a mob of people surrounding a woman while ordering her to hold up her fist and say black lives matter is wrong.

The Holocaust and the deaths from COVID are not even close to being comparable, and I am not just talking about the number of people that passed away. While it's obvious there were mistakes made and it does piss me off that wearing masks has become political, to try and imply we would have almost zero deaths if someone else were president right now is outrageous.

Never said zero but look at other countries and the utter failure in the US due to an incompetent president only concerned with his reelection.

I don't really know what can or even should be done, but it's a kinda a fucked up system in that residents of low population states have such oversized representation in our system on all branches:

The grant of 2 senators by state and so few senators gives massive influence to low population states by default. At the extreme ends of the scale a wyoming resident's vote is 65x more powerful in the senate as a california resident's.

Coupled with simile ( though not as extreme ) inequality in the EC and you have low pop. states with oversized influence on BOTH the presidency AND the senate, which by proxy THEN give oversized influence on SCOTUS.

I guess the only solution is for states like NY and Cali to export more blue thinkers to low pop states to gain influence there.

I don't know what the answer is, maybe give the house a say in SCOTUS picks? Not sure.

Well, you have a right to your opinion. We can always create a thread where posters can debate about what Trump did right and what he did wrong if you like.

200k+ dead and the worlds worst covid response is not opinion, its fact.

My thread can add some context here if you like. No opinions here, just recorded facts.

On 3/26/2020, just a little under a month into when Covid hit the US, we became number one in overall confirmed infections. It was the US, Spain, and Italy leading early on in terms of both deaths (daily and total) as well as confirmed infection rates. Spain and Italy really got their numbers under control and are way down in daily deaths and almost non-existent daily infection rates.

On 4/11, just 16 days later we became number one in the world in total deaths at 20K.

Five months later, 9/15/2020 to be exact, we have over ten times that amount of deaths at 200K plus. No other country comes close to the total number of infections or total number of deaths and it's going to be a while before anyone surpasses us, if they do at all.

The silver lining is that we are finally averaging just under a thousand deaths a day last I checked. It looks pretty much like a plateau with a very slight decline at the moment.

@Serraph105: ‘On 4/11, just 16 days later we became number one in the world in total deaths at 20K.’

You really think China had released real numbers at that point?

@tenaka2: ‘200k+ dead and the worlds worst covid response is not opinion, its fact.’

Chine numbers?

@Sevenizz: Try CDC. Stop lying to protect Trump. He messed up, admit it.

Always sad to hear someone passes. I kind of wish she had retired under Obama and got to relax in her last years of life, rather than living it as a political crusade - but, that was kind of her thing. Best of wishes to her family.

This all being said, this is an opportunity to make the court significantly less partisan. Love her decisions or hate them, RBG was undeniably a partisan actor in an arena which is supposed to be impartial. It will literally be hard to replace her with someone who brings more bias to the court. Hopefully they don't ram in a hyper-partisan judge to replace a hyper-partisan judge - though, that's not all that likely. Your political scene sucks.

@thegreatchomp: Answer my question. Do you trust the numbers the communist party of China releases?

what really mess up. is i remember the courts way more balance in the 90s and a bit early 2000s. after that it been right leaning ever since.

when you want a court . you want it balance.

you don't want a major or 1 side or the other.

@firedrakes: Conservatives started refusing to work with any side then their own around then. The right became polarized then radicalized.

@thegreatchomp: sad but true.

the post i did a while ago about my friend. yeah he gotten worst.

he now has said out right racist comments and did the third death threat comment. on when some one call out 1 of his comments now on twitter.

he now a far right extremism .

but the funny thing thru on twitter with him. is overall he getting less reply back to his twits he makes.

@firedrakes: Can we see those comments? Or will you get banned for posting them?

I'm discussing the numbers we've actually got. If you have some official information about China's numbers being incorrect then please present them. Otherwise stop trying to get people mad at China to protect your personal hero from people being upset with him.

@Serraph105: It’s been proven that China has lied at every step of the pandemic. So yes, everything they’ve done since day one should not be trusted and that includes numbers they release. I know this puts a kink in your anti Trump tirades, but it’s reality.

Completely changing his political stances because of riots which aren't even remotely the worst forms of political violence or deaths associated with policy failure this decade. Yeah. Sure.

I guess he skipped over most domestic terror being far right, and far right groups being called the biggest threats by the DHS and FBI, and most hate groups being far right in far right counties with a sharp increase in hate crimes in areas Trump visits. I guess he skipped over Trump's corona mishandling. I guess he skipped over anti-masking mostly being far right, and has likely resulted in exponentially more deaths than the last decade of riots. But teh riots.

Bald $$$ Grifter. He saw what Candace was doing and wanted some money.

@Sevenizz: "It’s been proven that China has lied at every step of the pandemic."

Sounds like the exact same as Trump to me, but again, please provide your evidence.

"We don't have the worst response, we have the second worst! No, you can't look at the official numbers, China is lying. So, if we assume that China's numbers are worse than ours, we are only SECOND worst! By presumption."

People have short memories. Yes, there have been some right-wing violence in the past.

The problem is BLM and Antifa riots aren't just happening in the past, they are happening RIGHT NOW, while people are either preparing to vote or have already done so.

BLM crowds are yelling at patrons at restaurants and telling bystanders to raise their fist and say black lives matter RIGHT NOW, not a few years ago, not a few months ago, but RIGHT NOW.

Keep throwing those statistics at us, suburban moms don't want to hear your statistics about right-wing terror from a few years ago they never personally witnessed while there is a mob of BLM protesters outside screaming in bullhorns at one in the morning while they have to get the kids up for school and then head to work in a few hours.

The business owners that had their businesses looted or their life savings go up in smoke during a BLM riot this summer doesn't want to hear those statistics either. They want to know who is going to help them rebuild and they aren't too confident in the guy that kneeled in solidarity with the people that burned his business down.

You can say that COVID was mishandled, but the fact of the matter is COVID is a disease that doesn't care who it infects and may eventually go away with a vaccine. BLM and Antifa rioters are living people that should know the difference between right and wrong but still choose to cause chaos. They are the reason gun sales are increasing and there is now an ammo shortage.

@ad1x2: It’s every year, and not all of those rioting are what you claim. In fact most BLM protests are peaceful, Fox News latches onto anything to make them look violent.

@mattbbpl: lol right? I feel so much better now. Trump 2020! Only 2nd worst in the world!

Most people infected with COVID have a full recovery. That didn't stop the lockdowns and the strong recommendations to wear masks and social distance.

Trying to excuse the BLM riots by saying most of them are peaceful and only a small number of them turned into riots doesn't change the fact that the riots still happened to the cost of 2 billion dollars so far. And now we're expecting even more riots in an attempt to stop RBG's replacement from being confirmed before the election.

@ad1x2: I said nothing about Covid and it does excuse it as not all of those rioters are BLM but people not affiliated causing crap, not even left wing but right wing.

And riots to stop a justice? Now you are Just making shit up. And her replacement shouldn’t be confirmed and more and more GOP senators are rising up and saying no.

Be honest.

Doesn't matter. The fact that trump mishandled the pandemic response in the US is not an opinion.