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@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

Completely changing his political stances because of riots which aren't even remotely the worst forms of political violence or deaths associated with policy failure this decade. Yeah. Sure.

I guess he skipped over most domestic terror being far right, and far right groups being called the biggest threats by the DHS and FBI. I guess he skipped over Trump's corona mishandling. But teh riots.

Bald $$$ Grifter. He saw what Candace was doing and wanted some money.

People have short memories. Yes, there have been some right-wing violence in the past.

The problem is BLM and Antifa riots aren't just happening in the past, they are happening RIGHT NOW, while people are either preparing to vote or have already done so.

BLM crowds are yelling at patrons at restaurants and telling bystanders to raise their fist and say black lives matter RIGHT NOW, not a few years ago, not a few months ago, but RIGHT NOW.

Keep throwing those statistics at us, suburban moms don't want to hear your statistics about right-wing terror from a few years ago they never personally witnessed while there is a mob of BLM protesters outside screaming in bullhorns at one in the morning while they have to get the kids up for school and then head to work in a few hours.

The business owners that had their businesses looted or their life savings go up in smoke during a BLM riot this summer doesn't want to hear those statistics either. They want to know who is going to help them rebuild and they aren't too confident in the guy that kneeled in solidarity with the people that burned his business down.

You can say that COVID was mishandled, but the fact of the matter is COVID is a disease that doesn't care who it infects and may eventually go away with a vaccine. BLM and Antifa rioters are living people that should know the difference between right and wrong but still choose to cause chaos. They are the reason gun sales are increasing and there is now an ammo shortage.

Yes. The riots and BLM suck. But far right terror was 90% of domestic terror over the last 3 years, he didn't seem to care about that. Covid is exponentially worse, and Trump's handling of it makes these riots seem like nothing. Anti-maskers (mostly right wing) are worse than all of that shit and probably have lead to more deaths than all of those things combined. Yet Pool doesn't care. He'll shift his entire stance on everything because teh riots!

Speaking of suburban moms, they also don't seem to care that much about these scarce riots that won't effect them as much as Trump's covid failure or actual policies. Biden will win this group by a lot. Even they are better than Bald Pool.

But to pretend it will completely change your ideology is bogus. He's been grifting before the riots.

@ad1x2 said:
@thegreatchomp said:

@ad1x2: It’s every year, and not all of those rioting are what you claim. In fact most BLM protests are peaceful, Fox News latches onto anything to make them look violent.

Most people infected with COVID have a full recovery. That didn't stop the lockdowns and the strong recommendations to wear masks and social distance.

Trying to excuse the BLM riots by saying most of them are peaceful and only a small number of them turned into riots doesn't change the fact that the riots still happened to the cost of 2 billion dollars so far. And now we're expecting even more riots in an attempt to stop RBG's replacement from being confirmed before the election.

The riots are a joke compared to covid. In every facet. Deaths, economy, polling, etc.

Pool saw how much money Candace as making. That's literally all that happened. Lmao changing all of your ideas because Riots while Covid is a thing. Biden was against the riots too. Trump is still constantly wrong about covid.

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@Serraph105: It’s been proven that China has lied at every step of the pandemic. So yes, everything they’ve done since day one should not be trusted and that includes numbers they release. I know this puts a kink in your anti Trump tirades, but it’s reality.

I agree that China's numbers aren't to be trusted. Same with Russia's numbers.

Having said that, I also don't trust anything the White House says about the US's numbers. We regularly see Trump misrepresent statistics or downplay the impacts of the virus (for example, with the Axios interview), he regularly contradicts his own science experts (for examples, when the CDC said they won't be rolling out the vaccine in full until mid-late 2021), and he made moves to ensure that the White House controls the press releases around the statistics.

This pandemic is deeply politicised all over the world. I'll always trust the majority of the medical community, rather than whatever politicians want to say about the virus.

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@Planeforger said:
@Sevenizz said:

@Serraph105: It’s been proven that China has lied at every step of the pandemic. So yes, everything they’ve done since day one should not be trusted and that includes numbers they release. I know this puts a kink in your anti Trump tirades, but it’s reality.

I agree that China's numbers aren't to be trusted. Same with Russia's numbers.

Having said that, I also don't trust anything the White House says about the US's numbers. We regularly see Trump misrepresent statistics or downplay the impacts of the virus (for example, with the Axios interview), he regularly contradicts his own science experts (for examples, when the CDC said they won't be rolling out the vaccine in full until mid-late 2021), and he made moves to ensure that the White House controls the press releases around the statistics.

This pandemic is deeply politicised all over the world. I'll always trust the majority of the medical community, rather than whatever politicians want to say about the virus.

The issue is Trump has lied about it every step of the way as well. And made poor decisions. He is to blame for deaths, and it hurts to say but it's true about this POTUS.

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@ad1x2: I said nothing about Covid and it does excuse it as not all of those rioters are BLM but people not affiliated causing crap, not even left wing but right wing.

And riots to stop a justice? Now you are Just making shit up. And her replacement shouldn’t be confirmed and more and more GOP senators are rising up and saying no.

Be honest.

Let me break it down for you then. You said that I can't complain about BLM riots because most of the BLM protests are peaceful. Last I checked about seven percent are expected to turn into riots (the media reports 93 percent are peaceful because it sounds better than saying seven percent turn into riots).

The current COVID mortality rate according to the CDC website is around 6.2 percent (that number includes pneumonia and influenza so I can't give you an accurate number on COVID alone). Despite that, we are all taking multiple precautions in an attempt to protect the population until we get a vaccine or at least herd immunity.

If I use the BLM justification you gave and apply it to COVID, we might as well open everything up because as it stands right now, the percentage of people confirmed infected by COVID that die is lower than the percentage of BLM protests that turn into riots.

Obviously, I'm not suggesting that we stop the precautions for COVID, but you should get what I'm saying.

And yes, people are threatening to riot if Trump confirms another justice. Whether or not it happens is not something I can tell you, but we've just gone through over three months of riots after George Floyd died and Mitch McConnell's house was surrounded by angry protesters yesterday.

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@firedrakes: Can we see those comments? Or will you get banned for posting them?

i would get banned posting them.

i can post one he did.

which was this.

any Chinese person going to school should get deported.

another one that makes zero sense. was posted today.

with no context or anything ,which more and more of his post are.

show time

You aren't entertainment. You've become activists for socialist pigs. You are now whores for socialists, which makes you socialists. Your content will never be displayed in my home again. Our membership, Cancelled after less than a month.

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Medical community is a joke tho, u have the world health organisation that can't even talk about vietnam or straight up lies about corona not being spread through the air. Because they are completely owned by china at this point.

Then u got hospitals inflating numbers massively because they get paid as result because of it. A corona death is business a normal death is not.

U also got mayors slamming corona people into nursing homes on top of it to breed more corona.

U got Left wing fantastic politicians wanting to destroy the entire ecenomy in order to put trump in a worse daylight which gives them a fightning chance for presidency.

Then u got media heavily advertising and even scientists that demonstrations are not a issue in corona times yet everything else is because of political reasons.

Honestly who still believes anything related to corona at this point. It's a complete sham.

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@zaryia said:
@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

Completely changing his political stances because of riots which aren't even remotely the worst forms of political violence or deaths associated with policy failure this decade. Yeah. Sure.

I guess he skipped over most domestic terror being far right, and far right groups being called the biggest threats by the DHS and FBI. I guess he skipped over Trump's corona mishandling. But teh riots.

Bald $$$ Grifter. He saw what Candace was doing and wanted some money.

People have short memories. Yes, there have been some right-wing violence in the past.

The problem is BLM and Antifa riots aren't just happening in the past, they are happening RIGHT NOW, while people are either preparing to vote or have already done so.

BLM crowds are yelling at patrons at restaurants and telling bystanders to raise their fist and say black lives matter RIGHT NOW, not a few years ago, not a few months ago, but RIGHT NOW.

Keep throwing those statistics at us, suburban moms don't want to hear your statistics about right-wing terror from a few years ago they never personally witnessed while there is a mob of BLM protesters outside screaming in bullhorns at one in the morning while they have to get the kids up for school and then head to work in a few hours.

The business owners that had their businesses looted or their life savings go up in smoke during a BLM riot this summer doesn't want to hear those statistics either. They want to know who is going to help them rebuild and they aren't too confident in the guy that kneeled in solidarity with the people that burned his business down.

You can say that COVID was mishandled, but the fact of the matter is COVID is a disease that doesn't care who it infects and may eventually go away with a vaccine. BLM and Antifa rioters are living people that should know the difference between right and wrong but still choose to cause chaos. They are the reason gun sales are increasing and there is now an ammo shortage.

Yes. The riots and BLM suck. But far right terror was 90% of domestic terror over the last 3 years, he didn't seem to care about that. Covid is exponentially worse, and Trump's handling of it makes these riots seem like nothing. Anti-maskers (mostly right wing) are worse than all of that shit and probably have lead to more deaths than all of those things combined. Yet Pool doesn't care. He'll shift his entire stance on everything because teh riots!

Speaking of suburban moms, they also don't seem to care that much about these scarce riots that won't effect them as much as Trump's covid failure or actual policies. Biden will win this group by a lot. Even they are better than Bald Pool.

But to pretend it will completely change your ideology is bogus. He's been grifting before the riots.

@ad1x2 said:
@thegreatchomp said:

@ad1x2: It’s every year, and not all of those rioting are what you claim. In fact most BLM protests are peaceful, Fox News latches onto anything to make them look violent.

Most people infected with COVID have a full recovery. That didn't stop the lockdowns and the strong recommendations to wear masks and social distance.

Trying to excuse the BLM riots by saying most of them are peaceful and only a small number of them turned into riots doesn't change the fact that the riots still happened to the cost of 2 billion dollars so far. And now we're expecting even more riots in an attempt to stop RBG's replacement from being confirmed before the election.

The riots are a joke compared to covid. In every facet. Deaths, economy, polling, etc.

Pool saw how much money Candace as making. That's literally all that happened. Lmao changing all of your ideas because Riots while Covid is a thing. Biden was against the riots too. Trump is still constantly wrong about covid.

You are really overestimating people's attention spans when it comes to recalling right-wing terror that happened months or even years ago versus current riots. Off the top of someone's head, they'll be able to name Charlottesville. Maybe Christchurch or the Charleston church shooting.

On the other hand, the BLM and Antifa riots are going on right now. BLM and Antifa protestors are ordering people to submit to them right now. Businesses are being burned right now. Protesters went to a hospital to chant "we hope you die" while two police officers were recovering from their wounds after an ambush just a week ago.

Why do you think an October surprise is more effective than a January surprise? People are going to look at what is happening right now (BLM and Antifa riots), not some statistics that they may or may not have personally witnessed about events that were months or even years ago. It's the same reason it's harder for Trump to run on the economy when COVID put it in the shitter.

That other post you replied to wasn't even meant to downplay COVID, it was showing how trying to downplay the protests by saying only a fraction of them are violent doesn't change the fact that some of them still turn violent.

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@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:
@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

Completely changing his political stances because of riots which aren't even remotely the worst forms of political violence or deaths associated with policy failure this decade. Yeah. Sure.

I guess he skipped over most domestic terror being far right, and far right groups being called the biggest threats by the DHS and FBI. I guess he skipped over Trump's corona mishandling. But teh riots.

Bald $$$ Grifter. He saw what Candace was doing and wanted some money.

People have short memories. Yes, there have been some right-wing violence in the past.

The problem is BLM and Antifa riots aren't just happening in the past, they are happening RIGHT NOW, while people are either preparing to vote or have already done so.

BLM crowds are yelling at patrons at restaurants and telling bystanders to raise their fist and say black lives matter RIGHT NOW, not a few years ago, not a few months ago, but RIGHT NOW.

Keep throwing those statistics at us, suburban moms don't want to hear your statistics about right-wing terror from a few years ago they never personally witnessed while there is a mob of BLM protesters outside screaming in bullhorns at one in the morning while they have to get the kids up for school and then head to work in a few hours.

The business owners that had their businesses looted or their life savings go up in smoke during a BLM riot this summer doesn't want to hear those statistics either. They want to know who is going to help them rebuild and they aren't too confident in the guy that kneeled in solidarity with the people that burned his business down.

You can say that COVID was mishandled, but the fact of the matter is COVID is a disease that doesn't care who it infects and may eventually go away with a vaccine. BLM and Antifa rioters are living people that should know the difference between right and wrong but still choose to cause chaos. They are the reason gun sales are increasing and there is now an ammo shortage.

Yes. The riots and BLM suck. But far right terror was 90% of domestic terror over the last 3 years, he didn't seem to care about that. Covid is exponentially worse, and Trump's handling of it makes these riots seem like nothing. Anti-maskers (mostly right wing) are worse than all of that shit and probably have lead to more deaths than all of those things combined. Yet Pool doesn't care. He'll shift his entire stance on everything because teh riots!

Speaking of suburban moms, they also don't seem to care that much about these scarce riots that won't effect them as much as Trump's covid failure or actual policies. Biden will win this group by a lot. Even they are better than Bald Pool.

But to pretend it will completely change your ideology is bogus. He's been grifting before the riots.

@ad1x2 said:
@thegreatchomp said:

@ad1x2: It’s every year, and not all of those rioting are what you claim. In fact most BLM protests are peaceful, Fox News latches onto anything to make them look violent.

Most people infected with COVID have a full recovery. That didn't stop the lockdowns and the strong recommendations to wear masks and social distance.

Trying to excuse the BLM riots by saying most of them are peaceful and only a small number of them turned into riots doesn't change the fact that the riots still happened to the cost of 2 billion dollars so far. And now we're expecting even more riots in an attempt to stop RBG's replacement from being confirmed before the election.

The riots are a joke compared to covid. In every facet. Deaths, economy, polling, etc.

Pool saw how much money Candace as making. That's literally all that happened. Lmao changing all of your ideas because Riots while Covid is a thing. Biden was against the riots too. Trump is still constantly wrong about covid.

You are really underestimating people's attention spans when it comes to recalling right-wing terror that happened months or even years ago versus current riots. Off the top of someone's head, they'll be able to name Charlottesville. Maybe Christchurch or the Charleston church shooting.

On the other hand, the BLM and Antifa riots are going on right now. BLM and Antifa protestors are ordering people to submit to them right now. Businesses are being burned right now. Protesters went to a hospital to chant "we hope you die" while two police officers were recovering from their wounds just a week ago.

Why do you think an October surprise is more effective than a January surprise? People are going to look at what is happening right now (BLM and Antifa riots), not some statistics that they may or may not have personally witnessed. It's the same reason it's harder for Trump to run on the economy when COVID put it in the shitter.

That other post you replied to wasn't even meant to downplay COVID, it was showing how trying to downplay the protests by saying only a fraction of them are violent doesn't change the fact that some of them still turn violent.

I see no information if face masks even work. From what i see around me here people touch those masks all day long and touch everything else while they are at it. Correctly usage of those masks is simple not found by the masses and therefore i can't see masks even remotely working because of it.

For hospitals nurses etc it works, because they correctly handle them and dispose of them however.

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I see no information if face masks even work. From what i see around me here people touch those masks all day long and touch everything else while they are at it. Correctly usage of those masks is simple not found by the masses and therefore i can't see masks even remotely working because of it.

For hospitals nurses etc it works, because they correctly handle them and dispose of them however.

Not sure why you are replying to my post by telling me about the lack of effectiveness of masks. All I will say is wear a mask and wear it correctly. People that don't wear them correctly need to learn how to wear it correctly.

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@ad1x2: how this is hard to understand idk

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@Gatygun said:
@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:
@ad1x2 said:

People have short memories. Yes, there have been some right-wing violence in the past.

The problem is BLM and Antifa riots aren't just happening in the past, they are happening RIGHT NOW, while people are either preparing to vote or have already done so.

BLM crowds are yelling at patrons at restaurants and telling bystanders to raise their fist and say black lives matter RIGHT NOW, not a few years ago, not a few months ago, but RIGHT NOW.

Keep throwing those statistics at us, suburban moms don't want to hear your statistics about right-wing terror from a few years ago they never personally witnessed while there is a mob of BLM protesters outside screaming in bullhorns at one in the morning while they have to get the kids up for school and then head to work in a few hours.

The business owners that had their businesses looted or their life savings go up in smoke during a BLM riot this summer doesn't want to hear those statistics either. They want to know who is going to help them rebuild and they aren't too confident in the guy that kneeled in solidarity with the people that burned his business down.

You can say that COVID was mishandled, but the fact of the matter is COVID is a disease that doesn't care who it infects and may eventually go away with a vaccine. BLM and Antifa rioters are living people that should know the difference between right and wrong but still choose to cause chaos. They are the reason gun sales are increasing and there is now an ammo shortage.

Yes. The riots and BLM suck. But far right terror was 90% of domestic terror over the last 3 years, he didn't seem to care about that. Covid is exponentially worse, and Trump's handling of it makes these riots seem like nothing. Anti-maskers (mostly right wing) are worse than all of that shit and probably have lead to more deaths than all of those things combined. Yet Pool doesn't care. He'll shift his entire stance on everything because teh riots!

Speaking of suburban moms, they also don't seem to care that much about these scarce riots that won't effect them as much as Trump's covid failure or actual policies. Biden will win this group by a lot. Even they are better than Bald Pool.

But to pretend it will completely change your ideology is bogus. He's been grifting before the riots.

@ad1x2 said:

Most people infected with COVID have a full recovery. That didn't stop the lockdowns and the strong recommendations to wear masks and social distance.

Trying to excuse the BLM riots by saying most of them are peaceful and only a small number of them turned into riots doesn't change the fact that the riots still happened to the cost of 2 billion dollars so far. And now we're expecting even more riots in an attempt to stop RBG's replacement from being confirmed before the election.

The riots are a joke compared to covid. In every facet. Deaths, economy, polling, etc.

Pool saw how much money Candace as making. That's literally all that happened. Lmao changing all of your ideas because Riots while Covid is a thing. Biden was against the riots too. Trump is still constantly wrong about covid.

You are really underestimating people's attention spans when it comes to recalling right-wing terror that happened months or even years ago versus current riots. Off the top of someone's head, they'll be able to name Charlottesville. Maybe Christchurch or the Charleston church shooting.

On the other hand, the BLM and Antifa riots are going on right now. BLM and Antifa protestors are ordering people to submit to them right now. Businesses are being burned right now. Protesters went to a hospital to chant "we hope you die" while two police officers were recovering from their wounds just a week ago.

Why do you think an October surprise is more effective than a January surprise? People are going to look at what is happening right now (BLM and Antifa riots), not some statistics that they may or may not have personally witnessed. It's the same reason it's harder for Trump to run on the economy when COVID put it in the shitter.

That other post you replied to wasn't even meant to downplay COVID, it was showing how trying to downplay the protests by saying only a fraction of them are violent doesn't change the fact that some of them still turn violent.

I see no information if face masks even work. From what i see around me here people touch those masks all day long and touch everything else while they are at it. Correctly usage of those masks is simple not found by the masses and therefore i can't see masks even remotely working because of it.

For hospitals nurses etc it works, because they correctly handle them and dispose of them however.

Also, the masks I see people wear are about as effective at protecting others from their sneeze as their underwear is at stopping others from smelling their farts.

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@eoten: Really? You are using the farts line? You officially have lost all credibility.

At least try to do better.

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@eoten said:
@Gatygun said:
@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

Yes. The riots and BLM suck. But far right terror was 90% of domestic terror over the last 3 years, he didn't seem to care about that. Covid is exponentially worse, and Trump's handling of it makes these riots seem like nothing. Anti-maskers (mostly right wing) are worse than all of that shit and probably have lead to more deaths than all of those things combined. Yet Pool doesn't care. He'll shift his entire stance on everything because teh riots!

Speaking of suburban moms, they also don't seem to care that much about these scarce riots that won't effect them as much as Trump's covid failure or actual policies. Biden will win this group by a lot. Even they are better than Bald Pool.

But to pretend it will completely change your ideology is bogus. He's been grifting before the riots.

The riots are a joke compared to covid. In every facet. Deaths, economy, polling, etc.

Pool saw how much money Candace as making. That's literally all that happened. Lmao changing all of your ideas because Riots while Covid is a thing. Biden was against the riots too. Trump is still constantly wrong about covid.

You are really underestimating people's attention spans when it comes to recalling right-wing terror that happened months or even years ago versus current riots. Off the top of someone's head, they'll be able to name Charlottesville. Maybe Christchurch or the Charleston church shooting.

On the other hand, the BLM and Antifa riots are going on right now. BLM and Antifa protestors are ordering people to submit to them right now. Businesses are being burned right now. Protesters went to a hospital to chant "we hope you die" while two police officers were recovering from their wounds just a week ago.

Why do you think an October surprise is more effective than a January surprise? People are going to look at what is happening right now (BLM and Antifa riots), not some statistics that they may or may not have personally witnessed. It's the same reason it's harder for Trump to run on the economy when COVID put it in the shitter.

That other post you replied to wasn't even meant to downplay COVID, it was showing how trying to downplay the protests by saying only a fraction of them are violent doesn't change the fact that some of them still turn violent.

I see no information if face masks even work. From what i see around me here people touch those masks all day long and touch everything else while they are at it. Correctly usage of those masks is simple not found by the masses and therefore i can't see masks even remotely working because of it.

For hospitals nurses etc it works, because they correctly handle them and dispose of them however.

Also, the masks I see people wear are about as effective at protecting others from their sneeze as their underwear is at stopping others from smelling their farts.

First off to ad1x2, Covid is very much one of the largest issues to most people. It far outweighing the Riots. As it should, it's a lot worse exponentially so. And they give Biden and Dems the win on this over Republicans, as most polling shows.

Secondly, masks work. I'm not sure what the last 2 people in this quote chain are talking about. Yes many people use it wrong, but many people use it correctly. In the end it helps.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=27691&publicId=395

Why is the right always so wrong about major science issues?

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First off to ad1x2, Covid is very much one of the largest issues to most people. It far outweighing the Riots. As it should, it's a lot worse exponentially so. And they give Biden and Dems the win on this over Republicans, as most polling shows.

Secondly, masks work. I'm not sure what the last 2 people in this quote chain are talking about. Yes many people use it wrong, but many people use it correctly. In the end it helps.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=27691&publicId=395

Why is the right always so wrong about major science issues?

I'm not sure why masks were bought up in that conversation. You can ask @Gatygun directly and see what he means about it. But no, not all right-leaning people are anti-mask. Some of us may chuckle if people are wearing a mask while driving alone in their car, but those people that refuse to wear one while shopping or whatever need to swallow their pride. But that is another story.

In regards to the importance of COVID potentially taking a back seat to endless riots, it appears that you are still disregarding that possibility, but that is okay. Our conversation may not make you change your mind, but it may make someone that is reading our points and counterpoints change theirs.

Yes, suburban women are going to be worried about COVID-19. But here’s the trick: Those suburban women will buy a shitload of Lysol and bleach, will make their kids wash their hands, will mask up when they leave the house, and will have hand sanitizer in their purses. They are going to attempt to do everything right to reduce their chances of getting infected.

Those suburban women do not like having to worry about germs, but I’m sure that the majority of them would rather carry a bottle of hand sanitizer in their purse than pepper spray or even a pistol because they’re worried about being attacked while their woke city council voted to defund the police in order to satisfy Black Lives Matter. COVID-19 is not going to smash their car windows, spraypaint their house, call them anti-white slurs, or steal their food or drinks off of their table at a restaurant if they decide to go out to eat.

When it’s all said and done, they aren’t going to care about that article you are linking talking about the Proud Boys or how many people were carrying Confederate flags in some right-wing protest a year or two ago when BLM and Antifa are right in their faces, right now.

Suburban women are probably saying stuff like this when you bring up right-wing terror: “The FBI called white supremacists one of the biggest threats to the country? That’s nice, but what are you going to do about the dozens of people marching outside with megaphones yelling Black Lives Matter and F*** 12 while I’m trying to get some sleep because I have to work tomorrow? What are you going to do about the mob of people that backed me into a corner while not social distancing and demanding that I raise my fist and say black lives matter"?

By the way, Joe Biden didn’t call out the people rioting until a few days after Don Lemon mentioned that the riots were being bought up in the polls and the focus groups (he called out the violence but refused to name Antifa or BLM as agitators). They then tried to blame Trump for the riots, but if the riots were really Trump’s fault they would have spent the last three months telling us that the riots were Trump’s fault instead of insisting that the riots were all peaceful protests.

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@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

First off to ad1x2, Covid is very much one of the largest issues to most people. It far outweighing the Riots. As it should, it's a lot worse exponentially so. And they give Biden and Dems the win on this over Republicans, as most polling shows.

Secondly, masks work. I'm not sure what the last 2 people in this quote chain are talking about. Yes many people use it wrong, but many people use it correctly. In the end it helps.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=27691&publicId=395

Why is the right always so wrong about major science issues?

I'm not sure why masks were bought up in that conversation. You can ask @Gatygun directly and see what he means about it. But no, not all right-leaning people are anti-mask. Some of us may chuckle if people are wearing a mask while driving alone in their car, but those people that refuse to wear one while shopping or whatever need to swallow their pride. But that is another story.

In regards to the importance of COVID potentially taking a back seat to endless riots, it appears that you are still disregarding that possibility, but that is okay. Our conversation may not make you change your mind, but it may make someone that is reading our points and counterpoints change theirs.

Yes, suburban women are going to be worried about COVID-19. But here’s the trick: Those suburban women will buy a shitload of Lysol and bleach, will make their kids wash their hands, will mask up when they leave the house, and will have hand sanitizer in their purses. They are going to attempt to do everything right to reduce their chances of getting infected.

Those suburban women do not like having to worry about germs, but I’m sure that the majority of them would rather carry a bottle of hand sanitizer in their purse than pepper spray or even a pistol because they’re worried about being attacked while their woke city council voted to defund the police in order to satisfy Black Lives Matter. COVID-19 is not going to smash their car windows, spraypaint their house, call them anti-white slurs, or steal their food or drinks off of their table at a restaurant if they decide to go out to eat.

When it’s all said and done, they aren’t going to care about that article you are linking talking about the Proud Boys or how many people were carrying Confederate flags in some right-wing protest a year or two ago when BLM and Antifa are right in their faces, right now.

Suburban women are probably saying stuff like this when you bring up right-wing terror: “The FBI called white supremacists one of the biggest threats to the country? That’s nice, but what are you going to do about the dozens of people marching outside with megaphones yelling Black Lives Matter and F*** 12 while I’m trying to get some sleep because I have to work tomorrow? What are you going to do about the mob of people that backed me into a corner while not social distancing and demanding that I raise my fist and say black lives matter"?

By the way, Joe Biden didn’t call out the people rioting until a few days after Don Lemon mentioned that the riots were being bought up in the polls and the focus groups (he called out the violence but refused to name Antifa or BLM as agitators). They then tried to blame Trump for the riots, but if the riots were really Trump’s fault they would have spent the last three months telling us that the riots were Trump’s fault instead of insisting that the riots were all peaceful protests.

I mean we have polls that show people care far more about Covid than Riots. Actually several topics over Riots. And for good reason, they are far more important and deadly.

And we have polls where Biden trounces Trump when it comes to Covid.

So like, I disagree with everything you wrote due to that data. People don't care as much. Covid effects them daily. Riots don't. They pick Biden for that topic.

TLDR: Pool is a grifter, and has been before 2020. Imagine changing your mind on every political issue due to the riots (which aren't even Biden's fault) when Covid exists (actually made worse due to Trump). He's fucking fake, he wants your views. Candace wasn't the first. Tim won't be the last.

Oh and masks are also on people's mind well above the Riots. It's mostly the right who is and was against masks atm.

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Hey Hitler's policy's helped Germany....at the cost of 11 million being tossed into ovens and the world being thrown into chaos with tens of millions more dying as a result. Would you be saying the same thing in the midst of the Holocaust? Why not? You voted for results of policy, not a drinking buddy right?

Based on that statement, regardless of what your original intent was it still strongly implies that Trump either did something as bad as the Holocaust or he would do something as bad as the Holocaust without question if he could get away with it as long as it benefited the country. Statements like that are what push away moderate Trump supporters that in most other situations would have been willing to hear you out.

To make it simpler, you're suggesting that Trump supporters are so morally corrupt that they would vote for a mass murderer just to "own the libs," and/or because they agree with the desires and/or political goals of a mass murderer. Insulting the people you are trying to bring to your side usually doesn't result in them coming to your side.

I'm suggesting no such thing, you are reading into that. I didn't mention Trump anywhere in that paragraph, nor do I believe him to be anywhere near comparable to Hitler or his regime. He's incompetent, a buffoon, obnoxious, arrogant, ignorant, a narcissist....but evil? No, I don't take it that far.

The reason I brought such an extreme example to bear is to hold your convictions to the fire. You say you care for policy, not character ("a drinking buddy"), and in taking it to such an extreme, I'm trying to understand at what point you would forgo policy in repudiation of character. Where do you draw the line in saying, "I like these policies, but the consequences of the character behind them are too much for me to vote for them?".

Does that ever become a consideration for you? If so, where does it lay?

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And shocker, Republicans are trying to confirm before a nomination is even picked by Trump. This justice will be illegally installed and needs to be removed if that is done!

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And shocker, Republicans are trying to confirm before a nomination is even picked by Trump. This justice will be illegally installed and needs to be removed if that is done!

Serious question - what will be the illegal element?

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@AfterShafter: That is not a serious question. And confirming a judge before that judge was even picked...........What else do you need?

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@AfterShafter: That is not a serious question. And confirming a judge before that judge was even picked...........What else do you need?

No, it's a serious question. I just didn't realize that you were seriously saying that they would vote to confirm an as of yet unidentified judge. Could you clarify that this is, or is not, what you're saying they're going to do? I just want to be 100% clear that you're saying what I think you're saying.

It's stupid, reckless, and partisan for them (R's) to say "We'll vote on anyone you put out there, whoever it is" and then voting for that person after they are named. It's another thing entirely for them to say "Ok, let's vote today so the person is confirmed before we know who they are." Maybe I've missed some major development? Could you fill me in - and confirm that this is what you're saying they're going to do?


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I mean we have polls that show people care far more about Covid than Riots. Actually several topics over Riots. And for good reason, they are far more important and deadly.

And we have polls where Biden trounces Trump when it comes to Covid.

So like, I disagree with everything you wrote due to that data. People don't care as much. Covid effects them daily. Riots don't. They pick Biden for that topic.

TLDR: Pool is a grifter, and has been before 2020. Imagine changing your mind on every political issue due to the riots (which aren't even Biden's fault) when Covid exists (actually made worse due to Trump). He's fucking fake, he wants your views. Candace wasn't the first. Tim won't be the last.

Oh and masks are also on people's mind well above the Riots. It's mostly the right who is and was against masks atm.

We are going to have to agree to disagree then. You are seriously underestimating how much the riots may be affecting people’s feelings about the upcoming election especially with Biden’s reluctance to address them until he got word they may be hurting his polling numbers.

You are also underestimating how much it may piss off a few people that are pro-law enforcement that Senator Harris told Jacob Blake’s family how proud she is of him while not even talking to the two police officers that were gunned down in her state outside of a tweet expressing condolences, which was followed by a tweet from Biden calling for more gun control. And you may be ignoring the fact that support for BLM is now actually lower now than it was prior to the death of George Floyd and it continues to drop.

Even though early voting has already started, a lot can happen in the next 45 days that could swing the election either way. It is still too early to smugly assume that Biden has this in the bag.

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@MirkoS77 said:
@ad1x2 said:

Hey Hitler's policy's helped Germany....at the cost of 11 million being tossed into ovens and the world being thrown into chaos with tens of millions more dying as a result. Would you be saying the same thing in the midst of the Holocaust? Why not? You voted for results of policy, not a drinking buddy right?

Based on that statement, regardless of what your original intent was it still strongly implies that Trump either did something as bad as the Holocaust or he would do something as bad as the Holocaust without question if he could get away with it as long as it benefited the country. Statements like that are what push away moderate Trump supporters that in most other situations would have been willing to hear you out.

To make it simpler, you're suggesting that Trump supporters are so morally corrupt that they would vote for a mass murderer just to "own the libs," and/or because they agree with the desires and/or political goals of a mass murderer. Insulting the people you are trying to bring to your side usually doesn't result in them coming to your side.

I'm suggesting no such thing, you are reading into that. I didn't mention Trump anywhere in that paragraph, nor do I believe him to be anywhere near comparable to Hitler or his regime. He's incompetent, a buffoon, obnoxious, arrogant, ignorant, a narcissist....but evil? No, I don't take it that far.

The reason I brought such an extreme example to bear is to hold your convictions to the fire. You say you care for policy, not character ("a drinking buddy"), and in taking it to such an extreme, I'm trying to understand at what point you would forgo policy in repudiation of character. Where do you draw the line in saying, "I like these policies, but the consequences of the character behind them are too much for me to vote for them?".

Does that ever become a consideration for you? If so, where does it lay?

You are asking me where my limit is for supporting Trump by bringing up Hitler. No matter what your intention was, most reasonable people will interpret it as Trump being almost as bad as Hitler and that checks and balances are the only things keeping him from gassing Muslims and immigrants. You did not have to mention Trump in your example for most people to assume you are implying the Hitler connection.

But to answer your question, the limit is a lot lower than you think it is. Granted, it’s too late for me to change my vote now since I mailed my absentee ballot this morning, but if Trump did something I found especially egregious he would lose my vote if I had not voted already.

Not saying I would have voted for Biden, I would have more than likely abstained or I would have written in someone else. The closest comparison I could come up for that is you probably won't get a pro-life voter to vote for a pro-choice Democrat if their opponent was on tape committing some heinous crime the day before the election; they would probably just refuse to vote instead.

I will say one thing, the fact that you don’t think he is evil is one positive thing I will say you expressed. And yes, I do believe he has some arrogance and even narcissism but I don’t think those two things alone were sufficient to not vote for him.

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@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

I mean we have polls that show people care far more about Covid than Riots. Actually several topics over Riots. And for good reason, they are far more important and deadly.

And we have polls where Biden trounces Trump when it comes to Covid.

So like, I disagree with everything you wrote due to that data. People don't care as much. Covid effects them daily. Riots don't. They pick Biden for that topic.

TLDR: Pool is a grifter, and has been before 2020. Imagine changing your mind on every political issue due to the riots (which aren't even Biden's fault) when Covid exists (actually made worse due to Trump). He's fucking fake, he wants your views. Candace wasn't the first. Tim won't be the last.

Oh and masks are also on people's mind well above the Riots. It's mostly the right who is and was against masks atm.

We are going to have to agree to disagree then. You are seriously underestimating how much the riots may be affecting people’s feelings about the upcoming election especially with Biden’s reluctance to address them until he got word they may be hurting his polling numbers.

You are also underestimating how much it may piss off a few people that are pro-law enforcement that Senator Harris told Jacob Blake’s family how proud she is of him while not even talking to the two police officers that were gunned down in her state outside of a tweet expressing condolences, which was followed by a tweet from Biden calling for more gun control. And you may be ignoring the fact that support for BLM is now actually lower now than it was prior to the death of George Floyd and it continues to drop.

Even though early voting has already started, a lot can happen in the next 45 days that could swing the election either way. It is still too early to smugly assume that Biden has this in the bag.

Riots aren't going on in suburbs dude. Covid is.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

I mean we have polls that show people care far more about Covid than Riots. Actually several topics over Riots. And for good reason, they are far more important and deadly.

And we have polls where Biden trounces Trump when it comes to Covid.

So like, I disagree with everything you wrote due to that data. People don't care as much. Covid effects them daily. Riots don't. They pick Biden for that topic.

TLDR: Pool is a grifter, and has been before 2020. Imagine changing your mind on every political issue due to the riots (which aren't even Biden's fault) when Covid exists (actually made worse due to Trump). He's fucking fake, he wants your views. Candace wasn't the first. Tim won't be the last.

Oh and masks are also on people's mind well above the Riots. It's mostly the right who is and was against masks atm.

We are going to have to agree to disagree then. You are seriously underestimating how much the riots may be affecting people’s feelings about the upcoming election especially with Biden’s reluctance to address them until he got word they may be hurting his polling numbers.

You are also underestimating how much it may piss off a few people that are pro-law enforcement that Senator Harris told Jacob Blake’s family how proud she is of him while not even talking to the two police officers that were gunned down in her state outside of a tweet expressing condolences, which was followed by a tweet from Biden calling for more gun control. And you may be ignoring the fact that support for BLM is now actually lower now than it was prior to the death of George Floyd and it continues to drop.

Even though early voting has already started, a lot can happen in the next 45 days that could swing the election either way. It is still too early to smugly assume that Biden has this in the bag.

Riots aren't going on in suburbs dude. Covid is.

*cough*

"Minneapolis protester warns the unrest will hit the suburbs next because there is 'nothing left here' as thousands ignore city curfew and take to the streets in fourth night of disturbances"


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372129/Minneapolis-protester-warns-theyll-hit-suburbs-next.html

*cough*

"As protests over George Floyd’s death continued Thursday night, various suburbs have reported damage.

Most of the unrest was contained to the Twin Cities with more than 170 businesses damaged in St. Paul alone, according to police, and the Midway neighborhood along University Avenue hit the hardest. Additionally, St. Paul firefighters responded to 55 fires, not all of which were structural.

That said, there was damage sustained on the outskirts of the Twin Cities before former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter on Friday."

https://www.twincities.com/2020/05/29/twin-cities-suburbs-report-overnight-damage-amid-protest-for-george-floyd/

*cough*

"George Floyd riots cost insurance companies as much as $2 BILLION - more than any in HISTORY, industry claims"

"The property destruction from the riots that followed Minneapolis police’s killing of George Floyd was the worst in the history of insurance, with claims costing insurers up to $2 billion, according to an industry group’s report."

https://www.rt.com/usa/500891-riots-damage-billions-insurance-record/


$2 billion... I'm just a silly Canadian and I don't know the exchange rate, but is that a lot? Are your guys dollars like Yen or something? I mean, I've heard these protests are peaceful - that must not be much.


I know, I know, it's all just empty fearmongering by the R's... But damn do the riot... Er... Peaceful protesters make it easy to stir up fear!!! Don Lemon should really set them straight on this, now that it's starting to affect Biden's poll numbers.

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@AfterShafter: Warns? Means nothing.

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@AfterShafter: Warns? Means nothing.

No, it pretty clearly means that you ignore the parts of a post you don't want to see...

"

"As protests over George Floyd’s death continued Thursday night, various suburbs have reported damage.

Most of the unrest was contained to the Twin Cities with more than 170 businesses damaged in St. Paul alone, according to police, and the Midway neighborhood along University Avenue hit the hardest. Additionally, St. Paul firefighters responded to 55 fires, not all of which were structural.

That said, there was damage sustained on the outskirts of the Twin Cities before former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter on Friday."

https://www.twincities.com/2020/05/29/twin-cities-suburbs-report-overnight-damage-amid-protest-for-george-floyd/

My bad - I'm sure you just innocently missed the bolded, underlined part that kind of craps all over your "aren't going on in the suburbs" lie ;) Easy mistake to forgive with an upstanding, honest poster like you though.

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@AfterShafter: Not familiar with the area but some of those listed seem to be cities. And two people causing problems cannot be blamed on protests.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@AfterShafter: Not familiar with the area but some of those listed seem to be cities. And two people causing problems cannot be blamed on protests.

Big cities and people walking around with MAGA/KAG hats are not the only targets of people from BLM and Antifa. You can keep denying it, but that does not make the idea that almost everything is peaceful or confined to a small area true. We have been talking about Jacob Blake for weeks, but how much coverage have the two deputies that were shot in Compton received? Video of riots are all over Twitter and YouTube, they just rarely make it on CNN and MSNBC.

The funny thing is the media made a big deal about 93 percent of all BLM protests being peaceful. That means seven percent of them turn violent. What do you think the media's reaction would be if even one percent of Trump rallies turned into violent riots, let alone seven percent of them?

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@ad1x2 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@AfterShafter: Not familiar with the area but some of those listed seem to be cities. And two people causing problems cannot be blamed on protests.

Big cities and people walking around with MAGA/KAG hats are not the only targets of people from BLM and Antifa. You can keep denying it, but that does not make the idea that almost everything is peaceful or confined to a small area true. We have been talking about Jacob Blake for weeks, but how much coverage have the two deputies that were shot in Compton received? Video of riots are all over Twitter and YouTube, they just rarely make it on CNN and MSNBC.

The funny thing is the media made a big deal about 93 percent of all BLM protests being peaceful. That means seven percent of them turn violent. What do you think the media's reaction would be if even one percent of Trump rallies turned into violent riots, let alone seven percent of them?

Considering the media's portrayal of .01% of police shootings, I think you already know the answer to that.

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@AfterShafter said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@ad1x2 said:

$2 billion... I'm just a silly Canadian and I don't know the exchange rate, but is that a lot? Are your guys dollars like Yen or something? I mean, I've heard these protests are peaceful - that must not be much.

I know, I know, it's all just empty fearmongering by the R's... But damn do the riot... Er... Peaceful protesters make it easy to stir up fear!!! Don Lemon should really set them straight on this, now that it's starting to affect Biden's poll numbers.

That's because Covid is actually something to fear everywhere. Nothing you say will make the riots more damaging than Covid. In almost every category, by exponential margins. It's very bad. The riots are bad too, but a speck in comparison. It's almost stupid to even try to compare the magnitudes of difference between the two.

And unlike Biden, Trump was related to the severity of one of these. And the public's views on this are is reflected in law and order & covid polling. Biden actually wins in both.

So yeah, Tim Pool is a grifter. Changing every political stance due to riots? That's stupid enough on it's own, but when the Trump Covid failure exists? Sure.

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Romney is a coward! November can’t come soon enough so we can vote these fascists out.

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@thegreatchomp said:

Romney is a coward! November can’t come soon enough so we can vote these fascists out.

Mitt Romney is a fascist?

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Romney is a coward! November can’t come soon enough so we can vote these fascists out.

Fascists? Really? And what will you do when the left inevitably loses this election? Trump gets a second term, Republicans hold onto the senate and take back the house with a 5-3-1 majority in the Supreme Court, plus the majority of governors?

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@Stevo_the_gamer: I called him a coward.

@eoten: LMAO! Then you woke up.

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@Stevo_the_gamer: I called him a coward.

@eoten: LMAO! Then you woke up.

Yes, along with using "fascists" there-after. Can you expand on why you think he's a fascist?

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@Stevo_the_gamer: I called Romney a coward, Trump is the fascist. He checks all the boxes. But first fascist needs to be defined:

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

He is far right, nationalist, said your power as president is absolute, gassed peaceful protesters, tries to use EO to force the sale of private companies......

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@thegreatchomp: Following the Constitution is cowardice? That’s a new one.

Weren’t many of you praising him when he was the only GOP senator that voted to remove during the impeachment?

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@ad1x2: He is cowering to Trump and violating his own parties stance they took under Obama. So yes, coward.

What does that have to do with anything? Stop moving the goalposts.

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#190 PurpleMan5000
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@eoten said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Master_Live: Collins always talks a good game when her vote isn't necessary. If her vote is needed, she'll vote yes.

Fortunately, Republican leadership was crystal clear that nominating a Supreme Court justice in an election year is unethical, so it doesn't matter.

That's not what dems were saying a few years ago. They gave Republicans shit for not ramming through Garland. Maybe Republicans should do what they wanted them to do before and ram someone through before the election?

It's not that they didn't ram him through so much as that they refused to even have a confirmation hearing. He was also nominated in March of an election year. Even if this confirmation is "rammed through," so to speak, we are unlikely to get through confirmation before the election. This is likely to be a lame duck appointment.

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#191 ad1x2
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@thegreatchomp said:

@ad1x2: He is cowering to Trump and violating his own parties stance they took under Obama. So yes, coward.

What does that have to do with anything? Stop moving the goalposts.

Your feelings are irrelevant in this situation. Regardless of what decision he makes, he will never have your vote so he has no reason to seek your approval.

Besides, Romney voted to remove during the impeachment, which gave Democrats the ability to claim that the vote to remove was bipartisan.

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@ad1x2: Typical. You completely disregard and degrade any view other than your own. Don’t ever criticize any Democrat again, you will never vote for them so your feelings are irrelevant.

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#193 Eoten
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@thegreatchomp said:

@ad1x2: Typical. You completely disregard and degrade any view other than your own. Don’t ever criticize any Democrat again, you will never vote for them so your feelings are irrelevant.

Why should anyone vote for a platform that is the antithesis of what this country was founded on?

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#194 Eoten
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@PurpleMan5000 said:
@eoten said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Master_Live: Collins always talks a good game when her vote isn't necessary. If her vote is needed, she'll vote yes.

Fortunately, Republican leadership was crystal clear that nominating a Supreme Court justice in an election year is unethical, so it doesn't matter.

That's not what dems were saying a few years ago. They gave Republicans shit for not ramming through Garland. Maybe Republicans should do what they wanted them to do before and ram someone through before the election?

It's not that they didn't ram him through so much as that they refused to even have a confirmation hearing. He was also nominated in March of an election year. Even if this confirmation is "rammed through," so to speak, we are unlikely to get through confirmation before the election. This is likely to be a lame duck appointment.

That's the consequence of losing elections. Had the DNC had a platform that was a tad more savory to the American public, they may not have lost the senate and maintained the power to confirm judges. And there have been PLENTY of judges confirmed in much less time than we have less. Sure, the DNC will try to obstruct the process with every little conspiracy theory they can muster up, then try to delegitimize the nomination going forward. Expect them to announce some kind of stupid investigation and say "well we can't nominate someone under investigation." But they're not going to succeed.

Trump will announce his nomination some time this week most likely, and they'll be confirmed within a month and there's nothing the DNC can do about it.

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#196 ad1x2
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@ad1x2: Typical. You completely disregard and degrade any view other than your own. Don’t ever criticize any Democrat again, you will never vote for them so your feelings are irrelevant.

My statement went completely over your head. You are trying to shame Romney into meeting your political goals by calling him a coward even if they go against his political goals (many of which I disagree with). You know for a fact that if the tables were turned you wouldn’t give a shit about some guy on the internet calling you a coward because you decided not to break with your party.

I’m willing to vote for Democrats, in fact I actually voted for one (at the city level, not federal) yesterday when I sent my absentee ballot. No, they weren’t running unopposed, I just felt they were doing a good enough job to reelect them. On the other hand, your earlier rant about facism makes me doubt that you would even entertain voting Republican.

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@ad1x2: LMAO! How can I do that to a guy that will never read what I posted? Get real. I stated an opinion, you attacked.

Rant? It was factual, you are ranting. And no, I will never vote Republican again, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Stop trying to shame people into voting for a party they don’t agree with.

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#198 PurpleMan5000
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@eoten said:
@PurpleMan5000 said:
@eoten said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Master_Live: Collins always talks a good game when her vote isn't necessary. If her vote is needed, she'll vote yes.

Fortunately, Republican leadership was crystal clear that nominating a Supreme Court justice in an election year is unethical, so it doesn't matter.

That's not what dems were saying a few years ago. They gave Republicans shit for not ramming through Garland. Maybe Republicans should do what they wanted them to do before and ram someone through before the election?

It's not that they didn't ram him through so much as that they refused to even have a confirmation hearing. He was also nominated in March of an election year. Even if this confirmation is "rammed through," so to speak, we are unlikely to get through confirmation before the election. This is likely to be a lame duck appointment.

That's the consequence of losing elections. Had the DNC had a platform that was a tad more savory to the American public, they may not have lost the senate and maintained the power to confirm judges. And there have been PLENTY of judges confirmed in much less time than we have less. Sure, the DNC will try to obstruct the process with every little conspiracy theory they can muster up, then try to delegitimize the nomination going forward. Expect them to announce some kind of stupid investigation and say "well we can't nominate someone under investigation." But they're not going to succeed.

Trump will announce his nomination some time this week most likely, and they'll be confirmed within a month and there's nothing the DNC can do about it.

The average amount of time to confirm a supreme court justice is 67 days. The median time is 71 days. The election is in 42 days.

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@PurpleMan5000 said:
@eoten said:
@PurpleMan5000 said:
@eoten said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Master_Live: Collins always talks a good game when her vote isn't necessary. If her vote is needed, she'll vote yes.

Fortunately, Republican leadership was crystal clear that nominating a Supreme Court justice in an election year is unethical, so it doesn't matter.

That's not what dems were saying a few years ago. They gave Republicans shit for not ramming through Garland. Maybe Republicans should do what they wanted them to do before and ram someone through before the election?

It's not that they didn't ram him through so much as that they refused to even have a confirmation hearing. He was also nominated in March of an election year. Even if this confirmation is "rammed through," so to speak, we are unlikely to get through confirmation before the election. This is likely to be a lame duck appointment.

That's the consequence of losing elections. Had the DNC had a platform that was a tad more savory to the American public, they may not have lost the senate and maintained the power to confirm judges. And there have been PLENTY of judges confirmed in much less time than we have less. Sure, the DNC will try to obstruct the process with every little conspiracy theory they can muster up, then try to delegitimize the nomination going forward. Expect them to announce some kind of stupid investigation and say "well we can't nominate someone under investigation." But they're not going to succeed.

Trump will announce his nomination some time this week most likely, and they'll be confirmed within a month and there's nothing the DNC can do about it.

The average amount of time to confirm a supreme court justice is 67 days. The median time is 71 days. The election is in 42 days.

At some point one party will control the senate for an entire term of a Presidency and will deny any hearings for Supreme Court justices during the entire four year term to a President of the opposing party.

One might say they would face the wrath of the voters in mobilizing the other side, but I'm sure they will take the chance at some point. This is a serious flaw as it requires the President to do their job to get a justice confirmed but does not require the Senate to do so as well.

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@MK245: That’s why the senate shouldn’t confirm and the president shouldn’t nominate. Or it can just change to auto confirm if Senate fails to vote in time.

@PurpleMan5000: It won’t take that long. Republicans are already lining up to confirm before the choice is even made. Will be confirmed in October.