Supreme Court sides with religious groups in covid fight

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#101 LJS9502_basic
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That's been the problem from the start. No central government policy. In fact, the central government policy was to ignore it. Politicize it. Breed hate.

Plenty of democrat governors have said Trump doesn't have any such authority. Also the most worst off states are those states that had all those stupid little rules and restrictions that you've convinced yourself would magically be successful if they were forced upon all states. The federal government policy was to let governors tailor a response that they felt was better suited to their own states. But, you knew all of this, I've told you it many times before.

Stop spewing the BS. All trump had to do was be honest and tell people the pandemic was a danger and to follow CDC guidelines and stop bitching and showing up at state capitals with guns and whining like babies. Also could have sold the facemask. Take responsibility for the failure of your party.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

That's been the problem from the start. No central government policy. In fact, the central government policy was to ignore it. Politicize it. Breed hate.

Plenty of democrat governors have said Trump doesn't have any such authority. Also the most worst off states are those states that had all those stupid little rules and restrictions that you've convinced yourself would magically be successful if they were forced upon all states. The federal government policy was to let governors tailor a response that they felt was better suited to their own states. But, you knew all of this, I've told you it many times before.

Stop spewing the BS. All trump had to do was be honest and tell people the pandemic was a danger and to follow CDC guidelines and stop bitching and showing up at state capitals with guns and whining like babies. Also could have sold the facemask. Take responsibility for the failure of your party.

He did, before anyone else and the media accused him if trying to manufacture a crisis. Either your memory is as poor as Biden's, or you're being dishonest. And Trump has encouraged the use of masks.

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#103 LJS9502_basic
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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Stop spewing the BS. All trump had to do was be honest and tell people the pandemic was a danger and to follow CDC guidelines and stop bitching and showing up at state capitals with guns and whining like babies. Also could have sold the facemask. Take responsibility for the failure of your party.

He did, before anyone else and the media accused him if trying to manufacture a crisis. Either your memory is as poor as Biden's, or you're being dishonest. And Trump has encouraged the use of masks.

Fake News. Alternative facts.

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#104 Eoten
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Stop spewing the BS. All trump had to do was be honest and tell people the pandemic was a danger and to follow CDC guidelines and stop bitching and showing up at state capitals with guns and whining like babies. Also could have sold the facemask. Take responsibility for the failure of your party.

He did, before anyone else and the media accused him if trying to manufacture a crisis. Either your memory is as poor as Biden's, or you're being dishonest. And Trump has encouraged the use of masks.

Fake News. Alternative facts.

Lmfao. Okay kid, and Biden never called Trump a Xenophobe, and Pelosi never encouraged people to go to China town to do business in response to Trump taking action. You're either extremely delusional, or extremely dishonest.

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#105 LJS9502_basic
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@eoten said:
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Fake News. Alternative facts.

Lmfao. Okay kid, and Biden never called Trump a Xenophobe, and Pelosi never encouraged people to go to China town to do business in response to Trump taking action. You're either extremely delusional, or extremely dishonest.

More straw man arguments and ad hominems.

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#106 firedrakes
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
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Fake News. Alternative facts.

Lmfao. Okay kid, and Biden never called Trump a Xenophobe, and Pelosi never encouraged people to go to China town to do business in response to Trump taking action. You're either extremely delusional, or extremely dishonest.

More straw man arguments and ad hominems.

the poster will keep saying it over and over. they wont answer honest

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#107 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@mrbojangles25: Opinions masquerading as facts is literally the foundation of internet arguing on Gamespot since, hmm, forever. Beating the same drum that's permeated in Off Topic and System Wars for close to two decades. No opinions on Gamespot have any tangible bearing on your life, not from American users, Central/South American users, Canadian users, Australian users, or Europeans/Asian members. If you are offended by any content, ignore and move on with your life. Should the content be objectively offensive, then report the content and ignore. Too often we see users fight toxicity WITH toxicity which results in the waters being further muddied and being a victim to the moderation process.

You what's not difficult? Typing "I don't agree with your points, and I don't see any common agreement in the future, so I will agree to disagree." I understand we live in an era where emotion is placed on a pedestal and arguments are driven with moral fortitude; where "righteous anger" justifies actions of violence and emotional veracity. Nevertheless, it's time to reel that end and be better.

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Back on point, after reading through the dissent, it's clear the main argument is the necessities of an emergency injunction and whether the case has any standing because the complainants are no longer in the restrictive tiers anymore. Highly recommend actually reading through the opinions, it's 30 pages but good reading material before closing the eyes.

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#108 Solaryellow  Online
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@eoten said:

Anyone who thinks government has the right to, and should shut down church services over Covid had better be consistent to apply that standard equally, and call for the shutting down of peaceful protest as well.

Again, this is the inconsistency of the government. Am I to believe New York is (was) not allowing the operation of business with more people frequently gathering than a church? Businesses could open yet church is the boogie man?

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#109 Zaryia
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@vl4d_l3nin said:

Good. Governors are getting outrageous with their dumb rules regarding people seeing their families.

lol you want people to die or something?

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A victory for individual liberty over the nanny state. Good.

Lol, how piss poor is the US doing with COVID?

Your statement very much reflects that - less than no idea...

He's anti-science.

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#110  Edited By Zaryia
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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
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Bars and gyms aren't closed.

They are where I live. Though, yes, I've heard they are open elsewhere at times.

Maybe that's the issue, too much variation in policy.

That's been the problem from the start. No central government policy. In fact, the central government policy was to ignore it. Politicize it. Breed hate.

But, you knew all of this, I've told you it many times before.

And you're always wrong. Studies and medical journals put a lot of blame on Trump. And they are objectively correct.

It's one of the reasons he lost this election.

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#111 Eoten
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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Bars and gyms aren't closed.

They are where I live. Though, yes, I've heard they are open elsewhere at times.

Maybe that's the issue, too much variation in policy.

That's been the problem from the start. No central government policy. In fact, the central government policy was to ignore it. Politicize it. Breed hate.

But, you knew all of this, I've told you it many times before.

And you're always wrong. Studies and medical journals put a lot of blame on Trump. And they are objectively correct.

It's one of the reasons he lost this election.

Oh I am sure your echo chamber has a lot of cherry picked studies and medical journals to point at to make that claim. But nobody cares about such a pitiful appeal to authority argument such as that. Pure logic, and reality defeat it. The reality is Trump doesn't really have the authority to force states to lock down, so that wasn't going to happen, which puts the ball in the court of governors which the biggest **** ups in terms of governors was Cuomo and Whitmer.

You can use all the appeal to authority arguments you want, and point to your biased studies, but the fact is, Cuomo and Whitmer fucked up big. Only a complete imbecile puts Covid positive patients back into nursing homes, then try to blame somebody else when deaths skyrocket.

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#112 HoolaHoopMan
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Looks like the religious right in this country will get their plague. To any that attend services and catch COVID I say stick it out at home and pray. Let hospitals give your bed to someone truly in need that isn't a selfish asshole. The GOP got their Amy COVID Barret that they wanted.

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@eoten said:@LJS9502_basic said:

Oh I am sure your echo chamber has a lot of cherry picked studies and medical journals to point at to make that claim.

I can't find counter studies or journals saying otherwise. By cherry picked, you mean neither could you. Concession on that point accepted.

@eoten said:

But nobody cares about such a pitiful appeal to authority argument such as that. Pure logic, and reality defeat it.

But It seems many did care. Polls showed most Americans disapproved of his handling. Trump lost the election due in part to his botching of the virus. Trump did mishandle the virus. That is a 100% fact.

Proper citation, facts, and data =/= appeal to authority. You can't spam that term to get yourself out of a data hole.

@eoten said:

You can use all the appeal to authority arguments you want, and point to your biased studies, but the fact is, Cuomo and Whitmer fucked up big.

This does not refute the fact Trump fucked up. Deflect and lie about "biased studies" all you want.

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#114 horgen  Moderator
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@eoten Is it difficult to find something to support your claims? You often claim @zaryia has cherry picked his studies, yet you are not linking to something that states otherwise. How come?

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@eoten said:
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@eoten: All countries, democratic or fascist, have that. In the US, ratting people to the government tends to get you a lower sentence.

Be happy this is to protect people and not to kill them.

Says you. Manipulating peoples children to be used as a weapon against their parents is fucking disgusting on all levels. That is completely different than someone actually being arrested for a crime getting a lower sentence for ratting out their accomplices. First off, their parents aren't committing any crime, secondly, neither has the child.

"Weapon"

This is to protect everyone else at the school and the relatives of everyone that attends the school. You framing a common sense health precaution as a "weapon" is a terrible thing to do. The school is not harming the parents in any way; the parents (which for the sake of argument lets assume are lucid, self-sustaining and self-determining adults) chose to have gatherings in direct contradiction of all official medical experts, and the school is simply stating that the students are to stay home if that was what happened.

Obviously, it would have been better if the gatherings would not have taken place, but if it did, the school must absolutely protect its students, staff, and community. The parents can still tell their children to lie to the school, and willingly lead to harm to their community; this is the least the school can ask.

Under no circumstances should government ever manipulate children to be used against their parents. These ends do not justify those means. That is an absolutely disgusting idea and anyone who tries to justify that are disgusting people as well. But I do not expect anybody on the left to have a sense of decency.

There is no manipulation going on. You are doing the same argument used by people that criticize schools for teaching science and history; "manipulating children with ideas that contradict their parents".

It seems like the reason you don't like that policy is because you think it would hurt the feelings of the parents who want to go around doing dangerous things that makes the pandemic worse. Why would you ever defend those people? Realize that it's those who are the people who have no sense of decency.

And you know that, which is why you are arguing from emotion ("Manipulating", "disgusting", "no decency") instead of what's actually happening.

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#117 Gaming-Planet
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The Supreme Court ruling also protects protesters too.

Not sure why the media is leaving that important fact out.

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#118 comp_atkins
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jesus. you'd think religious folks would want to voluntarily opt out of service for the safety of their fellow man.

i'm sure one or two of the popular religious texts mentions something about loving thy neighbors.

maybe it's in the back somewhere.

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#119 LJS9502_basic
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@comp_atkins said:

jesus. you'd think religious folks would want to voluntarily opt out of service for the safety of their fellow man.

i'm sure one or two of the popular religious texts mentions something about loving thy neighbors.

maybe it's in the back somewhere.

My church has suspended going to church right now. You can go but it's not required.

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#120 THUMPTABLE
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@comp_atkins said:

jesus. you'd think religious folks would want to voluntarily opt out of service for the safety of their fellow man.

i'm sure one or two of the popular religious texts mentions something about loving thy neighbors.

maybe it's in the back somewhere.

My church has suspended going to church right now. You can go but it's not required.

Why would it be required?

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#121 LJS9502_basic
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@THUMPTABLE said:

Why would it be required?

Maybe I should have used expected. I'm just saying they aren't telling people they have to attend.

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#122 THUMPTABLE
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@THUMPTABLE said:

Why would it be required?

Maybe I should have used expected. I'm just saying they aren't telling people they have to attend.

I always thought if you went to church, it was always completely optional - no obligations what so ever?
In saying that, church here in Australia is a dying thing - I think on average about 7% of the population attend regularly.