Supreme Court upholds travel ban

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Well, what can you say other than thank god for our supreme court. And while Kennedy sends a message to Trump, it´s good to see that the lower courts clearly make decisions based on politics and not actual law.

The President then called the ruling "a tremendous victory for the American People and the Constitution" and said he felt vindicated."This ruling is also a moment of profound vindication following months of hysterical commentary from the media and Democratic politicians who refuse to do what it takes to secure our border and our country," Trump said.This is the third version of the travel ban. It was issued in September -- after previous bans had ricocheted through the courts -- and restricts entry from seven countries to varying degrees: Iran, North Korea, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Venezuela. Chad was originally on the list but it was recently removed after having met baseline security requirements.

Challengers, including the state of Hawaii, argued that the travel ban exceeded the President's authority under immigration law as well as the Constitution. They also used Trump's statements during the campaign, when he called for a ban on travel from all Muslim-majority countries, but Roberts dismissed those concerns."Plaintiffs argue that this President's words strike at fundamental standards of respect and tolerance, in violation of our constitutional tradition,"

Roberts wrote. "But the issue before us is not whether to denounce the statements. It is instead the significance of those statements in reviewing a Presidential directive, neutral on its face, addressing a matter within the core of executive responsibility. In doing so, we must consider not only the statements of a particular President, but also the authority of the Presidency itself."

Stephen Vladeck, CNN's Supreme Court analyst and a law professor at the University of Texas School of Law, called the ruling a "big win" for the White House."The Supreme Court has reaffirmed the President's sweeping statutory authority when it comes to deciding who may and who may not travel to the United States, authority that both

President Trump and future presidents will surely rely upon to justify more aggressive immigration restrictions," Vladeck said.However, Vladeck noted that this was the third version of the travel ban and the administration made significant changes in response to lower-court rulings invalidating the first two iterations, including one issued one week after Trump became president in January 2017.The Supreme Court will wrap up its term Wednesday.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/travel-ban-supreme-court/index.html

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Regardless of position one takes, this is a big victory for Trump. Clearly all of the hurdles from CA and the like were politically imposed and nothing more.

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this is the most dumbest things the supreme court could do...Saudi Arabia is still not on the list, it only shows how racist trump is

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It was as if millions of racists around the country cried out in one glorified simultaneous orgasm.

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It's the third irritation of the travel ban. Very different from the original, it's no longer a travel ban on muslims but on countries they believe don't meet the standards - which includes Venezuela and... North Korea? Lol.

Eitherway, racism wins. It's actually stunning how America is turning back nearly a whole century. Very scary too. Though to be honest, racism never left America. It was just dormant and the racists needed a symbol that would give them a voice.

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@resevl4rlz said:

this is the most dumbest things the supreme court could do...Saudi Arabia is still not on the list, it only shows how racist trump is

Yep, Saudi Arabia is by far the world's largest exporter of terror and Wahhabism. Conservatives love to scapegoat Iran, but SA is the true main source of terror in the world. Rich Americans do business with them. So heaven forbid we do anything about it. They are shaking our hands with one hand and stabbing us in the back with the other. And despite being the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world by far, the source of Bin Laden, the source of most of the 9/11 hijackers, the source of funding for Al Qaeda and ISIS, they are not on this list.

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It helps when one of the Supreme Court justices is a hardline conservative that was placed in power thanks to Trump and the GOP. But no, it's not politics.

Fact is, the travel ban is unnecessary and the Trump Administration is using fear to gain support for something that is negligible at best. But it's not surprising. Trump supporters are the lowest common denominators.

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Stealing that Supreme Court seat sure is paying off.

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@xdude85 said:

Stealing that Supreme Court seat sure is paying off.

This is why it's important to vote. It has far reaching consequences and for democrats, it might last the next 2 decades.

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#10  Edited By LJS9502_basic  Online
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SC is nothing BUT political. And politics shouldn't be involved in law.

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@needhealing said:
@xdude85 said:

Stealing that Supreme Court seat sure is paying off.

This is why it's important to vote. It has far reaching consequences and for democrats, it might last the next 2 decades.

But the emails...

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they did it to the Japanese and Germans, why not Muslims and others known for terrorism.

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@npiet1 said:

they did it to the Japanese and Germans, why not Muslims and others known for terrorism.

And it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Also the countries with actors known for terrorism are NOT on the list due to trump's businesses. Conflict of interest much.................

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@npiet1 said:

they did it to the Japanese and Germans, why not Muslims and others known for terrorism.

And it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Also the countries with actors known for terrorism are NOT on the list due to trump's businesses. Conflict of interest much.................

While there maybe a conflict of interest, its not that wrong to ban countries with known terrorism. What little Oma did tell me about the war, everyone was a suspect and no one could talk about the Nazi's without getting taken away. So if someone was the bad guy no one would have known, it was all hush hush. I doubt much as changed.

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@mattbbpl said:
@needhealing said:
@xdude85 said:

Stealing that Supreme Court seat sure is paying off.

This is why it's important to vote. It has far reaching consequences and for democrats, it might last the next 2 decades.

But the emails...

Honestly, I loathed Clinton, but my lord is Trump insane.

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When it gets down to the bare metal, this is to be expected. The Supreme Court will inevitably rule in favor of law and the president’s authority to enact it, however, this doesn’t negate Trump’s previous rhetoric. Anyone who’s being even marginally honest with themselves understands that hiding behind the law doesn’t change what motivated it to be challenged in the first place. This changes nothing in that respect.

Trump’s vindication in this instance is only one of his own disgusting prejudices, clothed in the decorum of our highest and most honorable of institutions.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@npiet1 said:

they did it to the Japanese and Germans, why not Muslims and others known for terrorism.

And it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Also the countries with actors known for terrorism are NOT on the list due to trump's businesses. Conflict of interest much.................

It wasn't wrong then. Without it who knows how far the German Bund would have gone.

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The countries on the list have no real functioning government to vet individuals wanting to come to the United States.

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@bigfootpart2 said:
@resevl4rlz said:

this is the most dumbest things the supreme court could do...Saudi Arabia is still not on the list, it only shows how racist trump is

Yep, Saudi Arabia is by far the world's largest exporter of terror and Wahhabism. Conservatives love to scapegoat Iran, but SA is the true main source of terror in the world. Rich Americans do business with them. So heaven forbid we do anything about it. They are shaking our hands with one hand and stabbing us in the back with the other. And despite being the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world by far, the source of Bin Laden, the source of most of the 9/11 hijackers, the source of funding for Al Qaeda and ISIS, they are not on this list.

i guess they just have a good vetting process

in any case, i did read a bit of the opinion and the law generally gives the president broad powers wrt national security measures. my guess is the authors of the law never thought we'd have someone like trump in office.

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@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@npiet1 said:

they did it to the Japanese and Germans, why not Muslims and others known for terrorism.

And it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Also the countries with actors known for terrorism are NOT on the list due to trump's businesses. Conflict of interest much.................

It wasn't wrong then. Without it who knows how far the German Bund would have gone.

You are saying the US Japanese AMERICAN internment caps were not wrong? Ugh. Trump supporters have disgusting ideas.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@npiet1 said:

they did it to the Japanese and Germans, why not Muslims and others known for terrorism.

And it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Also the countries with actors known for terrorism are NOT on the list due to trump's businesses. Conflict of interest much.................

It wasn't wrong then. Without it who knows how far the German Bund would have gone.

You are saying the US Japanese AMERICAN internment caps were not wrong? Ugh. Trump supporters have disgusting ideas.

Who said I was a trump supporter? While how they operated was wrong, I don't think the idea was wrong.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@npiet1 said:

they did it to the Japanese and Germans, why not Muslims and others known for terrorism.

And it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Also the countries with actors known for terrorism are NOT on the list due to trump's businesses. Conflict of interest much.................

It wasn't wrong then. Without it who knows how far the German Bund would have gone.

You are saying the US Japanese AMERICAN internment caps were not wrong? Ugh. Trump supporters have disgusting ideas.

We're talking about a travel ban, not internment camps. Way to twist it to your liking. Without us cracking down on Germany, the German Bund would have had more support from Hitler. You know we had Nazi's marching down the streets in NYC right?

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The Supreme Court upheld the power of the presidency not only for now but the future. It was a slap down to judges trying to over rule the authority of the President.

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@JimB said:

The Supreme Court upheld the power of the presidency not only for now but the future. It was a slap down to judges trying to over rule the authority of the President.

Congress is supposed to make laws regarding immigration and as such the president can be over ridden.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

The Supreme Court upheld the power of the presidency not only for now but the future. It was a slap down to judges trying to over rule the authority of the President.

Congress is supposed to make laws regarding immigration and as such the president can be over ridden.

Sure, but this "legislation" came from lower courts who clearly only did it out of political bias.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

The Supreme Court upheld the power of the presidency not only for now but the future. It was a slap down to judges trying to over rule the authority of the President.

Congress is supposed to make laws regarding immigration and as such the president can be over ridden.

The president had the power to prevent people from country for security reasons. The Constitution give him that power a federal can not take that power away from him. You are correct congress is supposed to make immigration laws. When conditions are fluid the President is charges with security of the country.

First, Chief Justice Roberts addressed the scope of the president's authority to restrict the entry of aliens under 8 USC §1182(f).

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

The Supreme Court upheld the power of the presidency not only for now but the future. It was a slap down to judges trying to over rule the authority of the President.

Congress is supposed to make laws regarding immigration and as such the president can be over ridden.

Sure, but this "legislation" came from lower courts who clearly only did it out of political bias.

As did the SC...........

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Stealing that Supreme Court seat sure is paying off.

That was the fault of the spineless democratic party. For god's sake, they needed to stand their ground and appoint that justice. BUt no, they ran for the hills and pissed themselves as usual. That's why liberal lose to brainless conservatives. They just have no balls and no backbone, so they get pushed around by people with lesser agendas.

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It was as if millions of racists around the country cried out in one glorified simultaneous orgasm.

What has race to do with anything?

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@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:

It was as if millions of racists around the country cried out in one glorified simultaneous orgasm.

What has race to do with anything?

Well since it's a Muslim ban would you prefer the term bigot?

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@Serraph105 said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:

It was as if millions of racists around the country cried out in one glorified simultaneous orgasm.

What has race to do with anything?

Well since it's a Muslim ban would you prefer the term bigot?

How is it a muslim ban when most majority muslim countries aren't included? Dumb leftists

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Also, muslim isn't a race. Doubly dumb leftists

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Also, muslim isn't a race. Doubly dumb leftists

you learned that factoid from us.

that said, its race, religion, or sexual orientation.

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@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:

It was as if millions of racists around the country cried out in one glorified simultaneous orgasm.

What has race to do with anything?

Well since it's a Muslim ban would you prefer the term bigot?

How is it a muslim ban when most majority muslim countries aren't included? Dumb leftists

Because our great and wonderful president has continuously characterized it as such. That's what he said he wanted it to be and that's why he still supports it. At least that's what Trump still says today. He's a truth teller, right?

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@Serraph105 said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:

It was as if millions of racists around the country cried out in one glorified simultaneous orgasm.

What has race to do with anything?

Well since it's a Muslim ban would you prefer the term bigot?

How is it a muslim ban when most majority muslim countries aren't included? Dumb leftists

Because our great and wonderful president has continuously characterized it as such. That's what he said he wanted it to be and that's why he still supports it. At least that's what Trump still says today. He's a truth teller, right?

OR:

'so what is the ban about'?

'to keep Muslims out of the country'

'but its not a Muslims ban right'?

'right'

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@Serraph105 said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:

It was as if millions of racists around the country cried out in one glorified simultaneous orgasm.

What has race to do with anything?

Well since it's a Muslim ban would you prefer the term bigot?

How is it a muslim ban when most majority muslim countries aren't included? Dumb leftists

Because our great and wonderful president has continuously characterized it as such. That's what he said he wanted it to be and that's why he still supports it. At least that's what Trump still says today. He's a truth teller, right?

Pics or didn't happen

See ya

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@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:

Because our great and wonderful president has continuously characterized it as such. That's what he said he wanted it to be and that's why he still supports it. At least that's what Trump still says today. He's a truth teller, right?

Pics or didn't happen

See ya

So you support the president while not having a clue about his campaign statements. Cool story bro..............

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@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@Serraph105 said:

Well since it's a Muslim ban would you prefer the term bigot?

How is it a muslim ban when most majority muslim countries aren't included? Dumb leftists

Because our great and wonderful president has continuously characterized it as such. That's what he said he wanted it to be and that's why he still supports it. At least that's what Trump still says today. He's a truth teller, right?

Pics or didn't happen

See ya

I mean, I have videos, like a ton of them, but it's hard to get a person's voice to show up in a picture without photoshopping their quotes in myself.

Here's a video in 2015

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Here's a video of Giuliani talking about it in 2017

Here's a video (in the link) with Trump talking about it just a few days ago

Point is this isn't something made up by "stupid liberals" it's literally what Trump says he wants. You filing everything Trump says under "fake news" these days?

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#39  Edited By N30F3N1X
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@Serraph105 said:
I mean, I have videos, like a ton of them, but it's hard to get a person's voice to show up in a picture without photoshopping their quotes in myself.

Here's a video in 2015

Here's a video of Giuliani talking about it in 2017

Here's a video (in the link) with Trump talking about it just a few days ago

Point is this isn't something made up by "stupid liberals" it's literally what Trump says he wants. You filing everything Trump says under "fake news" these days?

This sounds like the conspiracy nutjobs who think Rockefeller using the expression "new world order" in a complex discourse in some conference is proof that whatever they made up in their own minds behind the word "new world order" is confirmed to be true. "SEE? HE USED THAT EXPRESSION! EVERYTHING I SAID SO FAR (with absolutely no evidence and a ridiculous amount of making shit up outright behind it) IS TRUE!"

Trump literally outright said he's thinking in terms of territories. If it were a muslim ban why isn't he banning ALL muslim majority countries?

And again, you said racists earlier, but muslim isn't a race nor ethnicity. Random words much?