The normalization of pedophilia.

What a messed up world we live in. Instead of acknowledging something as deviant, the powers that be want it to be accepted as normal.

Craziness

What a bullshit clip.

@JimB

Is it like 'normalizing pedophilla'?

Still defending Moore then? The GOP lost because they put a pedophile on their main card. Just admit you messed up and move on.

@Fuhrer_D:

I think the talk is trying to explain it certainly. Things are best combatted once you understand them.

I don’t think it tries to normalise it in any way.

Being sexually orientated towards children or engaging in sexual acts with children is utterly reprehensible.

But rather than going for the pitchforks and screaming bloody murder like imbeciles it’s far more worthwhile to research why people do what they do.

Because it’s quite clearly biological in some regard. It’d be worth understanding why.

It doesn't matter why. However, those that act on it should be prosecuted and kept away from children.

@LJS9502_basic:

Yes it does matter why.

Just as we learnt long ago that finding the cause of an illness is more productive than treating the symptoms over and over.

Just because it’s a touchy subject, people lose their sh*t and get all emotional.

Take the emotion out of it. Understanding Paedophilia will produce more effective methods of stopping paedophilia.

If you can’t see that then you’re stupid.

End of.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you have cancer in your lungs your doctors advice to stop smoking is terrible advice. But if you have back pain giving you pills everytime is not a good idea, so it depends

anyway...the only person who has normalized paedophilia is Roy Moore and his supporters

Someone posts a bullshit clip and you are guilty of a crime. As for Moore I have never read or seen where he was convicted of any such crime. In today's climate you make an accusation and you are automatically guilty. What if some one makes an accusation against you are you automatically guilty. This is not about an election loss it is about a fair trial with a judge and an outcome determined by a jury of your peers or has the justice system been scrapped.

we cant confirm the earth revolves around the sun until a jury of our piers says so?

Maybe on the left.

oh I gotcha, only the left can do something like that, not really possible for someone on the right to do it even if they do it.

gotcha

Wrong. What is important is keeping them away from children if they can't curb their urges. It doesn't ****ing matter the why. And no removing emotion doesn't stop attraction. Hell they've been incarcerated and had therapy AND been under threat of more prison time if they re-offend and the majority at some point do. You can wrap your sanctimonious self up and pat yourself on the back meanwhile I live in the real world where the children are more important. An offender should NOT be more important than the victim.

Not sure if this is personal for you or you are naive.

No, you are wrong again, but it any group would want to normalize this it would be the left. Just look at the record.

GOP support of a well known pedophilla sounds like the right normalizes it to me bro

Except the right does get caught in private with actions. Which is more important. Anyway the left is not calling for this to be normal. Stop being dishonest.

Understood; however there is too much sympathy in the talk that begins to "normalize" the behavior. It definitely leans in the direction of "born this way, can't help it, accept this as my normal."

oh for the love of ****. there is nothing more 'normalizing' then knowing a candidate is a pedo and supporting him anyway.

You need to look up what Pedophile is.

Also, go watch the movie An Education.

Yup, and that is my main issue, a lot of these type of conversation ends with the offender being a victim.

she was 13.

I know a guy currently in jail because of the same thing Roy Moore did, same age.I should mention that person I know (who was a co-worker) also had a Trump Bobble head and was a Trump supporter

No one can be dumb enough to think that this falls into a political party, this is an over all agenda, it doesn't need a "side" to push it.

16 but nice try.

So are you saying all Trump voters are pedophiles?

14.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1220c4ea4bf2

so you are really trying extra hard for me to take a look at this video just to fully understand and upright and honest you are in saying the its pushing Pedo as normal.

ok...I guess you sold me! I will take a look after a bit and see what the video is all about, nicely done

Ahh, you are talking about that non-story that was never proven

That was allegations and remind me again how much we have heard about it after the election?

And you don´t have to watch the movie, but you should perhaps go google it and understand the culture and it was not an unnatural thing for 16-17 years old to go into relationships with much older men.

jimB is apparently doing just that.

@LJS9502_basic:

I was referring to you removing emotion from your analysis of the situation, not removing emotion from Paedophiles you fool.

What are you going to do? Perform the rite of tranquility? You lettuce.

I don't even know what type of special mental gymnastics would drive @JimB to bring political parties into the conversation. That is some type of epic short bus.

@Fuhrer_D:

I never said that the offender should be more important than the victim. That guy was putting words in my mouth that I didn’t say.

In reference to your first point. Yeh fair enough, there certainly shouldn’t be an environment of acceptance to this sort of behaviour.

so I should watch the OPs video to get a better understanding of what exactly?

That what is normal?

I agree with parts of is being said in the article.

I don't think the left is interested in normalizing it. However more about changing how we view it. Instead of acting like it doesn't exist, accept that it does and have some options for help.

I am not saying we should let them skip prison sentence if they act on it or encourage it.

Eh? i am talking about a movie not the OP´s troll video.

And no one is normalizing a disgusting sick behaviour like paedophilia

But you brought in Roy Moore who is not a pedo, so perhaps stick to the topic next time.

Got cha. While understanding what makes them tick may be worth the knowledge to get them help, I think we all would agree where that ends up in the future.

I think you are mixing up Roy Moore with Donald Trump. Easy to do when they are both pos.

@tryit: If you have lung cancer then your doctor telling you to stop smoking is terrible advice?

Erm....what? As usual in here with your terrible arguments that make no sense.

In reference to your last point. I’m referring to the general problem of paedophilia. Not a specific case.

And yes, it’s considered more worthwhile and preferable by the medical community to treat the causes rather than the symptoms.

The literature is quite clear on that.

How one person can be so ignorant I’ll never know.

and 'the topic' as you say would actually be the OP's troll video which you decided to not point out until just now.

I have my own views about pedophilia but there is not a snowballs chance in hell I would share it with people in this thread given the conduct. 'left normalizing' you say? and now you want an honest conversation?

@mistervulpes

its very simple

1. to PREVENT a disease you do XYZ

2. once you already HAVE the disease the approach is often different

that is all I was illustrating.

I'm not emotional about a damn thing. I do however want to keep offenders away from children. Shame you don't want to do that. I guess I have my answer to the earlier question.

I think it's certainly something worth knowing more about. Paedophilia was something seen as rare isolated cases but nowadays there was so much exposing of cases around the world that, at least to me, it appears to be a much complex issue.

And I completely agree, like any disease the more you know the better.

actually curing a disease is often completely different then preventing one. Even in social sciences that can often be true.

They know, for example, that once a behavior pattern is formed the trick to breaking that pattern is not dependent on knowing the cause. However, knowing the cause is helpful for relapse.

Disease? Do we name everything that now?

It's not a new frame of reference, treating pedophilia as a disease before treating it as a crime.

It's a tough approach for me to stomach because, like most people, I am violently against anything of that nature.

But you have to remember, that's how homosexuals were thought of for a long time. People, many of whom were closeted homosexuals and bisexuals themselves, reacted violently to homosexuals because it was thought of as wrong. Then it was thought of as a disease. Then it was simply accepted. Oh boy, did I just compare homosexuality to pedophilia? I DID NOT MEAN IT LIKE THAT!!!! I am just saying that new ways of thinking are required to adapt and deal with new challenges. Especially when it comes to sex, something the US and a lot of the world are generally prudish about.

With that said, I think it is critical that we make some sort of thing where people who are uncontrollably attracted to children can get help, therapy, medication...anything they need to help them with their disease, before it's too late.

I think if we continue to act in a punishment-only way, where we wait for children to be harmed then punish people, things will just stay shitty. If we can proactively take corrective action before children are harmed, then things get better. And if we have to declare this a disease in order to help both potential pedophiles and children, then so be it.

I think that's the main issue; we all want to help the kids, but we don't want to help some "creep". We might have to swallow our pride and realize that the best result comes from helping both.

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