Trumpers call for Biden's impeachment, but Trump actually released 5000 Taliban prisoners

I'd be more focused on the moron we have as president that completely fucked this up.

Far left opinion pieces don't hold much value.

This would have been the result no matter when we left. So I guess you think we should still be there.

It made sense to anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension. The sentence prior mentioned going after civilians, razing usually implies putting thing to the torch, and the part you cut out in your quote mining "speared and cut down villagers and admitted to being all happy about doing it", REALLY implies that that it wasnt a bombing. Do you really think people wouldn't notice that?

The reason I come across as a wall is because you are obviously wrong and no one falls for your lies. Notice how every time you post something people always swarm in to correct your incorrect assertions? That should be a sign that you might wanna recheck your own assertions.

The reason I attacked your reading comprehension skills is because you implied I am a "leftist loser". But honestly, people pointing out your reading comprehension failures is nothing new, everyone else has been doing it for a long time. Which might imply, the problem is with YOU.

Trump caused the mess by starting us on already bad terms; releasing 5000 prisoners, including some very high ranking ones, in what seemed like a desperate bid to win the reelection.

Biden executed the mess poorly, and should have planned for the withdrawal better.

But honestly, most of the blame here should go to Trump. I don't think Biden could have predicted the Afghani forces would surrender to the Taliban. I personally predicted resistance from afghani forces and while the Talibans would eventually take back the country, people would have had more time to evacuate.

Like with most things, nothing exists in a vacuum. And many things often build up into one another.

Soviets joining the war was what made Japan surrender not the a bombs. Japanese Supreme Council met on Aug 9th to discuss surrender, that meeting was started hours before they learned about Nagasaki. Hiroshima was bombed on Aug 6th, so if that was the reason why wait 3 days? Something else, more important for Japan, happened on Aug 8th: Soviet Union declared war on Japan and invaded Manchuria.

@Icarian: YOu are not wrong,

https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/education/008/expertclips/010#:~:text=Nuclear%20weapons%20shocked%20Japan%20into,defeated%20by%20a%20miracle%20weapon.

Not surprising either. Have you ever played a Grand Strategy game? I have, and I have surrendered multiple times, because another major faction declared war on me, in the middle of a conflict. At which point, I could no logner defend myself from multiple sides.

You have absolutely no reading comprehension whatsoever. I have literally posted links and watched you redefine what they mean to fit your narrative. If it's impossible to do that then you just invalidate the source. The only people that swarm in are the usual leftist that will defend you because they share the exact same worldview. I haven't lied about a single thing. I have even asked you to point things out specifically and you never can. The term NPC really does fit with your type.

@Maroxad : Except he did. He bombed cities. Civilian casualties was VERY MUCH the intent. But what he did in germany was hardly the first time, even back in Afghanistan, he razed villages, speared and cut down villagers and admitted to being all happy about doing it. All to support the "superiority of his race".

Let's try this one more time. Why is Afghanistan even mentioned in this post when your talking about Churchill?

I wouldn't have let 20 years of work disappear in a week.

Yea I'm sure two atom bombs completely destroying their cities had nothing to do with it.

@silentchief: When a source is invalidated, it is usually because of one of 2 reasons

1. The source doesnt say what you think it does
2. The source is deeply flawed, and would not pass any standards which I adhere to in STEM

Me rejecting most sources you point out has NOTHING to do with my reading comprehension skills. I am sorry, but if you want to criticize me, you will have to do something than an Et Tu, for once.

Edit: I saw your question that you put in your edit. I brought up Afghanistan because Churchill was commiting atrocities as early as back in Afghanistan.

This was always going to be the outcome unless your plan is stay there forever. And even then we'd just be getting our military killed.

@comp_atkins: its just the investment that was made was enormous and to see it all go to shit is hard to swallow. Leaving was right, but not before bombing the taliban and its shit ideologies to the moon and back. I'm pissed off at the afghans for being such shut fightsrs, and the masterminds, the Pakistan government for funding and supporting those terrorists. We need to sanction those bastards, I know trump would have done it. Spineless Joe on the other hand is weak

legit question though.

from the average afghan's ( a person without the means / reason to flee the country ) standpoint what is a better outcome?

1) the US pulls out and a civil war breaks out for a year or two where the afhgan army / police do put up some fight vs. taliban forces, tens of thousands die, war crimes, that whole nine etc.. and taliban eventually wrestles control back of the country

OR

2) the US pulls out and the afghan army / police put up little to no fight vs. taliban forces. taliban rolls in with ease and take control of country, very little fighting, loss of life, infrastructure damage, etc..

Little loss of life? Lmao!

The people on the losing side will be tortured and executed. You think it's going to be peaceful?

Then i was right, we should have turned the place into a parking lot

@comp_atkins:

There is no easy solution here sadly. In hindsight I would have ordered evacuation plans before the military left. But hindsight is 20/20. I am sure Biden had predicted the Afghan Forces would put up more of a fight.

No. We should have left and we did. There is no need to kill civilians when you can leave the area.

i meant loss of life in the takeover process. i thought that was clear from the wording, but hey, this is the internet.

in EITHER case, the longer term result is the same; taliban control of the country and the shit that goes along with it.

Don't worry, pretty sure most people interpreted your questions correctly.

To give you a more detailed answer. From a utilitarian perspective, 2 would have been the lesser evil. With preparations having been made in advance to evacuate people, described in my post above.

Lol Jesus christ.. such a weak mentality.

I'd rather die in a take over process then be murdered and tortured later but to each their own.

Well, our Defense Secretary and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman warned against it, so there is that. Most of the country was surrendered without firing a shot. It wasn't due to any type of superior tactics by the Taliban. The Afghan army simply didn't want to fight. I don't think releasing the prisoners had a damn thing to do with the country falling so quickly. Most of the fighting is in Kabul, due to the botched evacuation. I'd say this is 99% Biden.

Those running the Taliban were the released prisoners but don't let facts get in your way. And this is not Biden. It's been 20 years in the making and they lied about the progress.

@LJS9502_basic: Did you miss the part where I said most of the country surrendered without a shot? Don't let that fact get in your way. It had nothing to do with Taliban leadership. The Afghans just didn't want to fight, and left our weapons. Now they have leadership and armaments. Biden's thinking about giving them foreign aid as well.

I'm talking about the withdrawal, not the war itself.

And? The Taliban still had leaders. If you want to complain though maybe the one who agreed to the withdrawal this year should be mentioned. But don't let facts get in your way.

You people are doing mental gymnastics here. Sorry this is Biden's mistake. Trump is not president. Unless you think Trump is controlling Biden?

Biden messed up, big time. No amount of TDS is going to provide cover for Biden. Dems will lose the house and senate next year and the Presidency next election. Biden has been a disaster since day one, literally day one, signing EO's that have been terrible and cost many Americans, and even Canadians jobs (Keystone). Two friends of mine in the gas/oil industry lost their jobs due to Biden along with thousands at their companies. Trump warned people of this at his rallies too and it came true. Now Afghanistan. I spent 12 months there, lost 11 brothers in arms in my unit alone. For what? So Biden could try and claim he was the President who ended the war? He failed. Miserably. This will be Biden's legacy...the guy who withdrew 3500 troops to get a headline and had to turn around and send 6000 back over. Any blood shed will be on Biden and Giggles hands. I pray no troops die due to all this. But no more means tweets right? Orange man bad. What happened to WW3 the Dems swore would happen under Trump? All along it was their precious old fragile Biden who would bring upon a massive war error, not Trump. Biden is getting hammered by Britain too, they're none too happy. They ended up sending troops back in to help. Dementia Joe can't do anything right. Always causing other countries problems too. Wonder how long before he's asked to resign by Dems and they put Giggles front and center.

In the 4 years Trump was President, how many times did the release of Taliban or withdraw of troops cause a problem? Bueller? Bueller? The answer is none. We had a measly 2500-3500 troops in Afghanistan which was enough to ward off the Taliban. Once they were all removed, under Biden, not Trump, the Taliban took over. If Trump released ZERO Taliban, liberals would STILL say it's Trumps fault because they cannot bring themselves to believe reality. Plot twist in this case, not all liberal media is shielding Biden, some are actually pinning blame on him, asking tough questions, reporting fairly. Not sure why they're not covering for him though.

@nnoyinghusband: Seems like Biden accomplished what Trump promised, and didn't. Any other tangential grievances you'd like to throw in?

Taliban freely using social media to spread their propaganda. Instead of instabanning like they do people who challenge Covid narratives, they've done nothing and are saying nothing.

Alphabet Inc's YouTube, asked whether it has a ban or restrictions on the Taliban, declined to comment but said the video-sharing service relies on governments to define "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" (FTO) to guide the site's enforcement of its rules against violent criminal groups.

Apparently Google needs the government to tell them the Taliban is bad. Where's this administrations "recommendations" to social media to combat this?

Biden accomplished nothing more than making himself look like an absolute fool who's somehow now getting hammered on CNN and MSNBC. Not the headlines he thought he would get.

Now you've got 6000 pissed off troops who told their families goodbye to head to Afghanistan when they weren't scheduled to, to pick up the pieces of Biden's mess, and that's not including UK, Canadian or who whoever else is over there helping. I have people in the area who have reported to me the "flow of traffic" if you will with extraction and insertion of troops and civilians. Any blood shed is on Biden's hands, not Trumps.

Sounds like you wanted those families and more to be stuck in Afghanistan for years. Trump had an agreement with Taliban we'd be out 1 May. There were some instances when that date passed and we were still there so Trump IS responsible for that. Also he's responsible for the troop reduction.

Twitter has said the same. Twitter directly stated that they will "monitor" Taliban social media accounts just like any other and will take action if necessary. Can you imagine after 9/11 telling Americans this? Sorry folks! The Taliban are allowed to have Twitter accounts, even though they're certified terrorists who behead, rape, make child Soldiers, (on and on). Ol Jack needs smacked upside the head. Yet...Twitter actually, literally, went out of their way to make up a new policy called civic something, which says if you challenge an elections results, they can ban your account. Think about that, you cannot discuss an election being illegitimate on Twitter, but terrorists, that's ok. I guarantee you the next election that Dems lose (will be 2024), they get rid of the policy and allow people to talk about Republicans cheating.

Trumps plan was conditional and he already stated they broke that condition, so it seems you're behind in the news. Trump isn't the President. Trump didn't pull the remaining troops out that caused this.

Let's try this...Trump allowed the Keystone pipeline while Biden EO'd it shut down day one. Why? Trump already allowed it, had an agreement, had plans for it. Because Biden doesn't have to follow anything Trump signed, said, had an agreement on, etc. Because when a new President takes office, they get to pick and choose their own direction. When Biden ran in 2020, he very specifically tweeted that as President he would take accountability for HIS actions. This was HIS action. He chose to pull out the remaining troops. Now maybe he was persuaded that way like the puppet he is, who knows, but he is the sitting President who has full power, full capability to make decisions based upon the information in front of him.

No one is arguing about US troops needing to be withdrawn from Afghanistan, it's the absolute debacle in which it was done. With the small amount there, everything was fine. A plan should have been made to pull out the best way, without Americans, interpreters, guns, ammo, equipment, vehicles, aircraft, etc, being left behind for terrorists to have. American taxpayers just gave an early Christmas to the Taliban. They've been given an edge they didn't really have before. If the Afghan Army and police force, who I've worked with, crumbled like a bunch of babies when the Taliban came to take over, so be it, we can't force them to stand up and fight back forever, but the manner in which this was done is all on Biden. This will be enough, on top of everything else, for the Dems to lose the house and senate next year.

@nnoyinghusband: Trump lies

Prediction: Biden will make overtures to the Taliban "moderating" in the coming months. He will turn a blind eye to any atrocities to the people in Afghanistan, much like Obama did to the Iranian youth in 2009.

He's ignoring his own advisors, and his generals are pretending they can't do anything/refusing to answer questions.

Biden doctrine so far:

✅ Diversity

✅ Reversing transgender ban

✅ Combatting "white rage"

❌ Protecting Americans and allies

❌ Upholding peace agreements

❌ Being transparent and responsible

@LJS9502_basic: Look, I've been there. I've been a liberal who fails to believe reality. I did it from the age of like 16 to 30. And then the reality of who the Democratic Party truly is set in and I'll never look back. They've gotten even crazier and blind in recent years.

I've also served in Afghanistan, almost blown up several times from mortar attacks, lost 11 guys in my unit, and every veteran/currently serving service member I've talked to is blaming Biden. There isn't a single one who is pointing the finger at Trump. All the lives lost, all the tax dollars spent, all the missed holidays and special moments with family...and this was how it ended. A complete, utter, disaster. No amount of TDS will change the fact that even your precious liberal outlets like CNN and MSDNC are not providing cover for Biden like they normally would. While you're in a corner crawled up in a ball, muttering "Trump's fault, Trump's fault" over and over, Biden is being hammered and rightfully so. It's over. He's done. I suggest start finding out what you can about DeSantis cause he's a front runner to run against Biden. Maybe even Tom Cotton. A lot of great Republicans who could be running. Even Candace Owens has teased a run next time. One way or another, Biden won't be seeing a second term. Far too much ammo against him now. I'll leave you to fantasyland now.

And better believe that there will be conservatives who will record all of it, ready to fire away at Biden next election. He's gonna get hammered.

Especially in the military. All of the sudden the military is doing "diversity" and "anti-white" training. The military is LITERALLY the most diverse job that exists. You work with people from all over the country, territories, and sometimes people who immigrated from elsewhere. It's like the military got bored of actually training for real stuff and went woke for really no reason. Huge complaint I hear from people who serve, it's gotten silly. Just dumb stuff that no one wants, agrees with, instead of actually being a military. Stuff that wasn't necessary, just to say "see lefties, we did this."

@nnoyinghusband: You know I don't care who your friends blame.

Surprise surprise,

CONGRESSMAN SEEKING TO RELAUNCH AFGHAN WAR MADE MILLIONS IN DEFENSE CONTRACTING

Mike Waltz Made Millions from Afghanistan Defense Contractor (theintercept.com)

Forever wars suck.

Fixed your hyperbolic list with my own!

Anyway, Trump and DeSantis still make him look like Einstein in comparison. Going to need more than that.

@zaryia: Learn what a military doctrine is there, bud. Hope you're charging the orange man rent for living up there so long

@zaryia: Imagine believing this list to be legit. Some serious issues going on here.

It was intentionally hyperbolic and exaggerated (albiet with some facts) like the one I quoted. Kind of a "see I can do this nonsense too".

Anyway so glad US is finally out of this infinite shitstorm war.

Muh Trump.

Nah. Literally nothing he's done has been a fraction as bad as Trump's mishandling of Covid. Not even close. And the public agrees with me on that even after this Afghanistan mess.

Pretty much the only thing you can objectively possibly call a mis-step is the Afghanistan withdrawal plan. And again that pales in comparison to the 2020 Trump disasters.

Jobs are up substantially for Biden. His economy obliterates Trump's. Look at the last jobs report, this is cherry picked nonsense. As usual a Democrat fixes a Republican's mess.

Covid. Recession. Deficit. "Infrastructure week". Climate denial policy. January 6th.

Orange man worst. Lowest approval in history for a reason. Even Biden's is currently better.

Trump didn't resign over significantly worse blunders. I doubt Biden will resign over finally getting us out of decades of losing in Afghanistan.

Uh..........You should click on every hot thread on this forum on the absolute biggest topic on Earth.

Hint 1: It isn't Afghanistan. It's quite worse. It starts with C.

Hint 2: DeSantis' name is currently all over that topic. For bad reasons.

Hint 3: Thousands of Americans are actually dying from it.

@nnoyinghusbandsaid:

Even Candace Owens has teased a run next time.

The GED climate denier who thinks vaccines are evil? Good luck.

@zaryia: Trump isn’t president.

Biden messed this up BAD. Unless you disagree with every expert and media source around right now?

The guy's post mentioned Trump 3 times with actual comparisons to Biden. Leaving him wide open for me to easily chew him apart with Trump's much worse blunders. Whoopsie! Hell he did the same with DeSantis, I obliterated that post too just now.

I agree with you. They should only discuss Biden. Tell your conservative friends to stop making mistakes and bringing up Republicans ITT.

Over 60 Japanese cities were destroyed before the A bombs. A bombs weren't even the most destructive bombings.