US Appeals Court stays vaccine mandate; White House tells businesses to ignore court order.

https://apnews.com/article/appeals-court-stays-vaccine-mandate-coronavirus-biden-b235b6fa858bd23b02ab5f9c009428db

On 11/06/2021, A federal appeals court on Saturday temporarily halted the Biden administration’s vaccine requirement for businesses with 100 or more workers. The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals granted an emergency stay of the requirement by the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration that those workers be vaccinated by Jan. 4 or face mask requirements and weekly tests.

The White House today responded by telling businesses to ignore the order.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/08/biden-vaccine-mandate-white-house-tells-business-to-go-ahead-despite-court-pause.html

The White House on Monday said businesses should move forward with President Joe Biden’s vaccine and testing requirements for private businesses, despite a federal appeals court ordering a temporary halt to the rules.

Quite the curious turn of events, will be interesting to see if this continues to make its way up the ladder in the judicial system.

Edit: On Friday, 11/12/21, issued the ruling affirming its decision.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/581401-federal-appeals-court-affirms-stay-on-biden-vaccine-mandate-for-businesses

No surprising. I expected it would have been challenged. Hopefully private businesses move forward and encourage or enforce their own rules on the matter in the interim. We've got to stop this anti-vaccine idiocy which is actively costing us lives.

It's unconstitutional. Biden knows this, but he's still going to try and apply as much pressure and threats on private businesses as he can untill it's shut down by the supreme court.

You do know this isnt a ban right? Its also a politically motivated stunt.

@sargentd: How? I keep hearing you cons say its It's unconstitutional but never say how. So, how.

No president has the legal authority to decree a national vaccine mandate or to punish private businesses that refuse to discriminate against employees based on their health status. President Biden yesterday scolded ‘this is not about freedom,’ but the rule of law most certainly is. If the president's overreaching rhetoric becomes federal action, then rest assured it will be challenged vigorously

@sargentd: Just as i thought. I asked you how and you couldnt answer the question.

Of course you didnt mind when Trump overreached.

I don't think it matters to the administration. It's a PR game, just like when the administration defied the eviction moratorium.

How did sargentd not mind when Trump overreached?

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As per the topic, I can't comment on the minutiae of the US push, but I had Miyocarditis from the Pfizer vaccine, and am thus not taking the second shot. CDN gov is only allowing medical exemptions and no religious exemptions.

@Stevo_the_gamer: yup 👍

@sargentd: Typical. I asked you to prove your point, you then ignore. Again, how.

This is not surprising.

I don't think a vaccine mandate of some kind is uncalled for, but making it for businesses did seem like overreach.

I think in situations like this it is better to be more carrot, less stick. You can only call people idiots [for not getting the vaccine] for so long before they just tune it out and stop caring. Maybe tell these right-wingers how all their right-wing heroes and politicians have been vaccinated?

As for the Constitution, I'm getting a little tired of it being either a sword to attack with or a shield to hide behind. I think we need to treat it more as a guidebook, and take it a little (or a lot) less literal.

Are you all better now? That sucks you got it, sorry to hear that.

Respectfully, are you certain it was the vaccine? Genuinely curious.

Thanks.

Yep, only possible avenue. This was prior to being a largely known potential occurrence, so I was confused as to what I thought were palpitations. It lasted 2-3 weeks and turned out to be arrhythmia, when i've never had a problem with my heart.

I tried telling you people the mandates had no legal authority. Biden has been in office long enough to know it had no legal authority as well. The media has been covering politics long enough to know it had no legal authority.

I think whoever said that meant businesses could ignore the mandates. With no legal authority behind the mandates, the only thing Brandon can do is make recommendations with no power to do anything to any business that doesn't follow them.

@eoten: And we are still waiting for you people to actually state how this is unconstitutional. Go ahead, pop off and tell me. Its not an unreasonable request.

These represent red states and is mostly republican judges, 6 by Trump. Perfect example of legislating from the bench.

there 3 supreme court cases that say other wise.

one even going back to 100 years ago.

Meh, **** the plague rats and what they want.

You're joking, right? Please tell me you don't actually believe a state senate voting on legislation signed by their governor being upheld by the courts is the same thing as Biden signing an executive order... You do understand the difference, don't you? Please tell me you're not that dumb to think it's the same thing.

The whole situation's so surreal. Very few western countries have followed a needle-or-your-livelihood policy, especially stretching into the private sector. Doubly odd that the US should be among the first.

Fascinating times we live in.

Schools are just a tad different than a PRIVATE business, no? Lets dive even deeper into the matter. Why such an arbitrary number as 100? Why not less? Why not mandate everyone must get a vaccine? Why not mandate everyone, regardless of employment status get the shot(s)?

Edit: Wrong thread. :(

As long as you understand there's a HUGE difference between Brandon dictating something from the executive branch of the federal government, and elected state legislatures writing and voting on a bill later signed by their governor. You can see how past SCOTUS rulings offer absolutely no precedent on the situation.

Campaigned on unnecessarily threatening peoples lives, livelihood, and careers over something he knew he couldn't legally do in the first place? That's pretty sadistic.

LOL your Biden Derangement Syndrome is showing again.

If stating the obvious is some kind of derangement syndrome, that derangement syndrome is probably yours.

Using the name Brandon to refer to Biden is a clear symptom of BDS. See your doctor.

Brandon Derangement Syndrome isn't a thing. Does it really knot your panties that much? If so, that's pretty unhealthy.

It's almost 2022 and people are still against the Covid vaccine?

Has our education system failed us?

I mean this post shows BDS is alive and well.

He doesn't believe in science or doctors. They are "fake news".

Yours certainly has. This isn't about the vaccine. It's about the mandate.

Pretending the vaccine mandate isn't related to people's feelings on vaccines. 🤣 I'm talking about the reason many of these low IQ people are against the mandate in the first place (which we have had many of). It's based on fiction.

You might want to get a proper education, Mr. "The vaccine is a placebo". Prager U doesn't count.

I guess reading is hard.

People's feelings have nothing to do with it. Joe Biden simply lacks the authority to mandate a vaccine by executive order. Your feelings are completely irrelevant. You really believing there's a good reason doesn't change the fact it was an illegal EO. You may want to work on your own IQ points there before you criticize someone elses.

Experts have both said it is constitutional and unconstitutional. It's not so one sided and definitive as you guys claim. Although I can find more that say it is constitutional.

Is Biden's vaccine mandate unconstitutional? Local expert weighs - (cbs19news.com)

Jennifer D. Oliva: Biden's Covid vaccine mandate plan is constitutional, whatever his GOP critics say (nbcnews.com)

Law expert: Biden’s vaccine mandate constitutional, local companies wary | WATE 6 On Your Side

I was specifically discussing peoples objectively incorrect low IQ views (such as yours) on the vaccine in regards to the mandates in that post. I'm allowed to discuss the reason many people are against the mandate in a thread about the mandate. I covered the purely legal aspect in another post.

You suck at posting here, my little PragerU grad.

Oh kid, I don't "believe it". It was.

Vaccine mandates are working, with vaccination rates topping 90% : NPR

Several legal experts disagree with this opinion.

"Local legal analyst Scott Goodman" isn't exactly a judge though, is he? And 5th circuit has said it's unconstitutional. I'm fairly certain their opinions outweigh this guy CBS dug up down the block. Gotta dig deep to find the odd wingnut or two willing to say what the media wants them to say I guess.

A temporary halt by a Republican appointed judge, which could and would have went either way depending on the party affiliation.

You skipped most of my links. I'm finding more articles with experts saying it's constitutional than not. Can you show they are wrong?

It's not as definitive as you'd think.

A halt by the court of appeals. Which carries a hell of a lot more weight than your local news affiliates locally sourced "experts." And apparently the Biden administration agrees if they've told businesses to ignore the mandates now. You're clinging to your own confirmation bias at a level that is really quite comical though.

A temporary halt by a Republican appointed judge. Good luck. Keep your fingers crossed. This means nothing 🤣

Nope. Unlike you I read both sides of this legal argument and have made 0 final decision as it's not that cut and dry. I'm not being an arm-chair lawyer and not making an uneducated direct call on it's constitutionality ,as experts have said both. I'm not a cult member, my mind isn't already made up. I'm waiting to see what happens. Note I haven't said any definitive bullshit like "IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL GUYZ" or the opposite ITT.

However, one thing we can both agree one, legal aspects aside and onto the science side of things - mandates work. These mandates in particular worked already. While we have to wait to see if this is truly unconstitutional, but the science side of things isn't debatable.

How cute, he's trying to change the subject away from the legal aspects that this thread is about.

I'm not sure if you're having vision problem or what's going on at home,

I literally discussed the legal aspects in the first 2 paragraphs of the post you said I didn't talk about the legal aspect.

I'm saying legal experts have said both things. And a temporary stay from a Republican appointed judge isn't a definitive call on constitutionality. We have to wait and see. And I said while we wait, consider the fact the mandate worked. That's all.

Are you having problems? Is this why you thought the vaccine didn't work, similar reading issues as the above?

And I pointed out long ago that your "legal expert" is clearly being dishonest or he's really, really stupid and the only reason you're clinging to that legal expert over more credible ones, or common sense is that confirmation bias issue of yours. Trying to equate a state law that went through the proper channels to one mandated by a wannabe dictator is beneath actual legal experts.

I think the one having comprehension problems here is you.

And I pointed out I disregarded this trash arm chair lawyer opinion. As I do most of your non expert opinions. Whether it you being wrong on legal matters (2021 election) or you being wrong on science matters (Covid, Climate, etc). Which is often.

What in the world are you talking about. I have not randomly decided whether it's constitutional or not, so where is the confirmation bias. I'm not in a cult. Plenty of experts on both sides have convincing arguments. A temporary stay by a Republican appointed judge isn't the final word on this and you know that legal fact.

I mean you said I didn't mention legal aspects of a post where I made two paragraphs mentioning them.

C'mon now.