Violent Clashes in Jerusalem

It's a shame the west keeps giving Israel a free pass out of geopolitical interests and because of the American religious far right and their fairy tales.

Why dont we talk about the core of the issue here. Those Palestinian refuges relocated to Sheikh Jarrah in 1956 in an agreement after what happened in 1948 that drove them away from their ancestral homes during the creation of the 2 states. Israel occupied the neighborhood and East Jerusalem in 1967 and Israeli settlers filed claim to own the lands owned by those refugees in 1972 and been trying to evict, to get them out of the area since..

Very complex matters and to me this all spiralled when Israel court ofcourse sides with the Israeli settlers. The Palestinian also getting ever increasingly frustrated as Israel been chipping away Palestinian lands like in the West Banks where illegal Israeli settlers have settled deep in Palestinian territories. East Jerusalem in particular is very important as it is supposed to be future Palestine capital city currently under occupation.

Its too bad the media seems to focus on Israel under attack but not the reason of the attack.

What would you do if your neighbor kept firing onto your property? Blaming one side is not the answer.

@LJS9502_basic: If I was part of an occupying force, guided by a far right religious ideology, using a one sided justice system to legitimate my claims and had full support of the most powerful nation in the world I would probably be doing the exact same thing. I can agree with that.

Irony aside I have no hope for any improvement on this situation. The Palestinians will end up being erased/murdered/expelled from their own land out of their Israel's "right to defend themselves", which is of an unmeasurable perversion, but it will happen with 99% certainty.

So if you had no support you would stand down and let your people be targeted? They did to have a dialog. But you can't complain of retaliation when you it's, well, your actions that caused it. Apparently their lives don't seem to matter to their government. Which should be more troubling actually.

Although I do condone what Hamas is doing (and israeli retaliation) I do feel you are sidestepping the core issue here regarding Israeli laws to evict Palestinian from their home that caused the actions by Hamas in the first place.

Hence why I said they need to have a dialog, probably with a mediator. Violence isn't going to solve anything for anyone. It begets more violence.

How many dialogues while the israeli sides chipping away palestinian lands, evicting and denying refugees to return and America pressuring allies and vetoing any UN resolution to formally accept Palestine as a nation even though Palestine could easily get the majority votes?

How can they start dialogue towards a long term solution please tell me.

As far as I am concerned, the issue are not the Palestinians or Israelis. But rather those, who fan the flames of war. The Likudnik and Hamas. They are obsessed with their little war, and all the palestinians and israelis suffer in power struggle.

Worst of all: Benjamin Netanyahu, who allegedly started flexing military muscle in a desperate bid to maintain his power.

Getting some interesting All Lives Matter parallels in this argument.

Let's dissect her photo/tweet:

My heart breaks. My country is at war. I worry for my family, my friends. I worry for my people. This is a vicious cycle that has been going on for far too long. Israel deserves to live as a free and safe nation, Our neighbors deserve the same. I pray for the victims and their families, I pray for this unimaginable hostility to end, I pray for our leaders to find the solution so we could live side by side in peace. I pray for better days.

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I'm trying to imagine calling someone a scumbag because they want peace, unity, and better days for everyone. She started at the micro level and expanded to everyone involved. If you're playing the semantics argument because the word "Palestine" wasn't included, then... okay... we can agree to disagree on the interpretation.

@sakaixx: Ok. So just so I am understanding this.

1. “Palestine” aka Hamas fires over 1500 rockets and kills mostly there own kind. Perfectly acceptable.

2. Hamas rocket and location and hideout is local schools and hospitals. Perfectly acceptable.

3. Israel responds with air strikes. Not acceptable.

Again, look at the core of the issue here of why hamas responded with rockets or why such organization even exist in the first place.

Kind of disgusted to see so much anti Jewish and anti Israel rhetoric, and in turn support for a terrorist organization.

Could only imagine how liberals would react if a military force formed at our borders at the United States and started firing rockets at innocent people.

“Well, we had it coming. America better not retaliate. I mean we did kill Osama bin Laden and a bunch of other innocent Muslims. So given our history we need a peaceful solution.”

Just absolute stupidity. The claim Israel did something wrong, is just insane. The land was Israel for centuries and it’s finally there’s again. Since the 6/7 day war, Israel has given up a lot of its land to “Palestine” as a show of good faith and hopes for peace. It’s never enough. The more Israel gives, the more violent and more land Palestine wants. Israel is open to a two state system. Have been for years, but the Palestinians refuse. Also a majority of Palestinians also want all Jews and Christians out. So which side is reasonable?

Religion is dumb and the worst religion of all is Islam. How anyone could follow that garbage is beyond me.

Lastly, a couple months ago, Some guy named Joe Biden gave Palestine (Hamas) billions. I wonder what Palestine did with all that money....... Could buy a lot of rockets with that kind of money.

@BlackShirt20:

idk why you guys like to sidestep the issue here. Again, this episode all started when court sided with israeli settlers regarding eviction of palestinian from their home. I dont know what mumbo jumbo religious rights israeli settler have but those palestinian have rights as per agreement with all sides including UN for them to relocate there in 1956. Almost 16 years before israeli settlers come to claim the lands.

This was one of the viral videos that led to all this:

It was also called palestine way back in ancient greek and byzantine era. Religion is dumb, fairy tail and israeli settlers have no right to claim whatever the **** land of israel is from citizens of palestine.

What's to discuss. You're not allowed an opinion if you don't live there, no matter how much your country's spending on this nonsense. If you so much as accept the existence of Palestine, it's tantamount to being a terrorist in Israel, and vice versa. We're just here to fund this bloodbath I supppose. Still, can't help glancing over at Eastern Ukraine and wondering how long we're expected to pretend all civilised nations are fine with salami tactics.

@sakaixx: Looks like someone needs a history lesson.

Yes, Palestine derives from ancient Greek. Still not a state or country. The name however used today came from the 1960’s to describe Arabs in that region. Palestine doesn’t exist.

“Palestine” has had numerous chances to be there own state. The British or Peel Commission offered a two state independent solution in 1930’s, As much as 80-85% of Israel was offered to the Arabs, in return Israel would take the remaining 15-20%, Israel accepted and the Arabs rejected this. They wanted everything and didn’t want the Jews there.

In the late 40’s amid growing confrontation the UN offered another 2 state solution, once again Israel accepted and Arabs did not. So war broke out and Israel won.

Then in the 60’s “Palestine” was made another chance to be made a independent state, they rejected and the 6/7 day war happened and Israel won again. This time, Israel in hopes of good faith and a show of peace gave the Arabs land. A lot of land. They still reject the chance to be a independent state.

Then in the late 90’s and. 2000’s they had more chances. No matter what offer is made, Arabs reject any form of 2 state solution. Even when offered the chance to be the major majority. They reject Israel period and want Jew and Christians out. Israel even offered them Jerusalem at one point. Consider by scholars the most holy city on earth because Jews, Muslims and Christians all center there faith around that city. It doesn’t matter, the end game is getting the Jews and Christians out at all cost.

Palestine doesn’t exist. It’s never really existed, this conflict is everything to do with Islam and total control of the region and Islamic holy sites. “Palestine” is just a scape goat for radical Muslims to try and take the land and force Christians and Jews out. There is a reason more “advanced” Islamic countries have gone neutral in that region, because they see it for what it really is, a breeding ground for Islamic extremists. Every year Israel deals with terrorist attacks. That is the reason Arabs are being evicted. They have been warned so many times and peace has been offered so many times. The chance to coexist has been on the table to decades and one 1 side continues to reject peace, independence and co existence. Enough is enough and Israel is finally moving forward.

@BlackShirt20: revisionist as always.

The people living there been there for centuries converting religions and so many archaeologial and historical evidence to support both causes alongside colonialism by all the warring empires.

Both sides never agreed to the idea as per many expert reports on the commision even on the Israeli side. The Palestinian outright rejected it while jewish side did not agreed or rejected it but did declare "it was unnacceptable" but open to future negotiation for a more favorable jewish state.

After the war in 1974 UN general assembly, UN proposed the plan of 2 state which this time Palestine accepted but Israel rejected it. In 2002 as you mentioned the whole arab league accepted the idea and negotiations on the table but Jewish fairy tail religious groups boycotted the idea of returning lands to the Palestinian as per in the mandate during the negotiations in 2007 which led to fail agreement. In 2014, American peace negotiation led by John Kerry again it was the Israeli side not agreeing to the solution with USA special envoy blaming Israel for failed negotiation.

@sakaixx: Incorrect. Not really shocking coming from someone who things it’s ok to start a war because someone lost a house. Perfectly acceptable lol.

Palestine never agreed to anything or anyone. They made demands after all the suicide bombers and terrorist attacks that killed thousands of Jews. “Palestine” has had 5 chances to become a 2 independent state. You haven’t disproven this. Just making excuses for terrorist, which is disgusting.

Again, Palestine doesn’t exist. It’s just a term to describe Arabs in the region. There is a lot more archaeology discoveries to backup Israel’s claim, so I am not sure why you would bring that up. If the Arabs don’t like it, they can go to one of the surrounding Muslim countries. Time to destroy Hamas and support Israel.

@BlackShirt20: great, how is it incorrect when all I said can be backed with facts. I even give exact dates and names for you to research and confirm. Seems to me you choose to be blind and accepts whatever Israel does which so many world leaders and authorities has condemned because of some fairytail book of yours and trying to ignore what led the Palestinian to even rise up recently.

Hamas is a terrorist organization that even I can see what they doing in Gaza hence why nobody wants to acknowledge their legitimacy but it is not an excuse to be ok with Israel oppressing the Palestinian.

You keep complaining about the core issue but when you act with violence then you suffer the consequence. Hamas is a terrorist organization FYI.

I agree. Hamas faces their consequence for causing so much complication regarding any solution, agression and Israel must be sanctioned for illegally disposessing and removal of Palestinian from their home, creating near 6 million Palestinian refugees according to UNRWA, their agressions and non commital towards Palestinian, 2 state solution in general.

Not to mention Hamas have publicly and repeatedly stated they desire the elimination of Israel and the extermination of ALL Jews. Fucking savages.

IGN and IGN Israel have opposing views on the matter. Not joking.

@sakaixx: I already addressed why Israel turned it down. Because the Palestinians backed terrorist just finished a barrage of terrorist attacks on Israel killing thousands lol. Rightfully so Israel turned it down.

That’s like someone shooting you, beating you up, breaking your bones and then says, ok we are cool. Peace? Yeah, no. Palestine doesn’t exist. They want Jews and Christians. Islam breeds a primitive type of species.

@BlackShirt20: cool. I see no reason to continue this when we have very different views on the matter. Israel has rights to defend itself but have no rights to be taking palestinian lands, making them refugees in their own land and denying their return.

@sakaixx: First off. Yes Israel does have a right to take land. You can make a morale argument either way. But yes, Israel can do that. Remember, Palestine had a chance to control 80% of Israel. They said no. With that said.....

Does that justify 1500 rockets fired on innocent people?

Lebanon is also getting involved. This is all Biden’s fault. He funded this charade.

@BlackShirt20: no. And it certainly does not justify israel displacing 6 million palestinian from their homes and stealing their lands.

@sakaixx: LOL again. Yes. Israel definitely can do that.

This is not about land. This is about Jews and Christians. Abbas has said many times he wants Jews out. You and others call Netanyahu a dictator or a tyrant. What does that make Abbas? The guy is in his 14th year of his supposed 4 year term. He keeps canceling elections because he is gonna lose. He himself has said many times this has nothing to do with land. It has everything to do with getting rid of Israel and getting the Jews and Christians out.

I cannot stress this enough. Palestine doesn’t exist. It’s just a term used to describe Arabs in the region, that has morphed and is being used as a tool to disguise Discrimination against Jews and Israel.

Honest question. What do you think the Palestinians would do if given Israel? My best guess would be Nazi Germany 2.0 for Jews and Christians. Then you also give nuclear weapons to Islamic terrorist......

@BlackShirt20: huh, so you support the displacement of people who been living there for centuries from their lands, for migrants based on some magical book from 3000-4000 years ago. Interesting.

This is not a discrimination of Jew or Israel, there is no race card here. Israel can be criticized, sanctioned as every nation on this planet for allowing such heinous practices to exist.

Not about land yet Israel has made 6 million people refugee by taking over and destroying their home yet its not about land, funny.

Yes, some people believe human shields are justified.

I think we know who it is wanting to expel all Jews into the sea.

To you as well, I agree Israel rights to defend itself, Hamas is a terrorist organization and also, I will never support a state that allows peoples to be displaced, evicted from their home for a migrant, making them a refugee in their own land. Glad we all clear.

@sakaixx: Displacement? You sent one video of one incident and said this is why Hamas is attacking Israel. I am sorry, but that is insanity.

Hamas is a terrorist organization. Abbas the PM of Palestine is a terrorist.

Also, which magical book we discussing? There is so many of them. Archaeologically Jews where inIsrael long before Islam made claim and were there for many centuries before the romans showed up. So I am not sure what you are talking about or why you think some random book matters. This is everything to do with Islam and nothing to do with Arabs. It’s purely about Islam and it’s holy sights. They want everyone out period. Abbas the Palestinian PM you respect has said this many many times.

UN literally categorizes people displaced by Israel as refugees and there is no insanity but you just either turning a blind eye to what is happening or just ignorant on Israel chipping away palestinian lands and displacing them.

Sure take out hamas, take out abas, take out the whole palestinian authorities still the issue here the people of Palestine rights being taken away by the occupying forces that is israel. Sure, draw the 1967 border then but what is israeli illegal settlements doing in west bank? In east jerusalem?

Israel has no rights to evict and displaces the people palestine.

@sakaixx: Which of the many religious books are you talking about?

I am not talking about “displacement”, you are. All I am saying is you showed 1 video with zero context and said that is why Israel was attacked. I am telling you, that is total insanity. You know what else is insanity? Seeing leaders in the US justify those attacks and condemn Israel and show support for PM Abbas who supported the attacks, and show support for Hamas who used children as human shields as there launch site for these attacks.

Israel has warned Hamas and Palestinians many times enough is enough. Israel now maybe forced to take Gaza back.

Remember when Trump was in office? Remember how nice and peaceful everything was. He literally brought peace to the Middle East. Biden gets in, removes all of Trumps peace agreements, starts funding Palestine and Hamas, sending billions to the region including sending money to Iran, boom a few months later they attack Israel.

America is literally funding terrorist (nothing new) and wonders why these things happen.

@BlackShirt20: of course I am talking about displacement and will not deviate, its the core issue of why Palestinian suddenly banded together against israel. Israel court sided with Israeli settlers to take over a palestinian neighbourhood in Sheikh Jarrah even though Palesrinian were living there 16 years before any claims by israeli settlers were made, which angered many Palestinian. They see israeli increasingly encroaching into east jerusalem and evicting existing palestinian. There was a massive protest there prior to all the recent events and so many viral videos of Israeli officers using force against the protester which just aggravates the whole situation.

I only give one videos as example but really, there is so many news covering Sheikh Jarrah and I do emplore you to check. Just youtube sheikh jarrah and I think you get so many clicks explaining. From both sides for you to make judgements.

There is a theory of Netanyahu just using this to save his career or just Hamas taking advantage of the situation to do damage but in the end its still Palestinian lands getting taken away by illegal settler who have no rights, simply claiming due to some bullshit that allows them to claim lands owned by Palestinian and this been happening for decades.

@sakaixx: Here is what I don’t think you understand. You keep discussing Palestinian refugees, but ignore the Israeli refugees. You make excuses for one side and condemn the other.

Israel is a nation of refugees. Most of them are from Arab countries. Most the Jews in Israel were forced there. They had to leave everything behind.

So why do you not acknowledge the Israeli refugees? Why is it only the Palestinians refugees matter to you? I saw the protest videos. Keep in mind, Israel is not America. They do not have the same laws. When protesters throw rocks, Molotov cocktails ect at police and IDF, they will absolutely beat your ass. Israel is also the most advanced and civilized nation in that region. Do you really want a unstable Arab Palestine with nuclear capability? You said yourself they are terrorist. Well, I take that back...... you acknowledged Hamas as a terrorist group, but do you view Abbas the prime minister of Palestine a terrorist? Knowing he as vowed to get rid of all Jews and Christians many times.

@BlackShirt20: what I am focusing is Israel land grabbing against Palestinian that led to this. Israel and what they want to do with Israeli citizens and immigrant entry into Israel is their issue, I think its great israel want to make a heaven for once oppressed jews and others but, none of that justify taking away lands and homes from palestinian.

Didn't Palestine turn down their own state twice?

Its called negotiation for interest, Palestine and Israel both did not agree to Peel Commision and Palestine people did not have time to voice its opinion as due it was outside forces that attacked israel and the ensuring war, causing Palestine people displaced.

Well no in the past Israel did agree.

@LJS9502_basic: israeli sides from various groups rejected borders outlined but open to negotitation for a more favorable state solution. Dude it literally as declared in zionist congress of 1937 I am making none of this out everything is on the net.

Regardless of whatever happened then, it stil will never negates the fact Israel been forcing palestinian out of the lands their own as per 1967 border.

@sakaixx: lies. We already discussed it.

@BlackShirt20: the whole congress and commission, the decisions made been disected by literally everyone with interest from all sides as it is a big turning point in this very complex issue and everyone comes to a common conclusion as per what is presented. Both sides never agreed.

@sakaixx: https://www.historycentral.com/Israel/documents/Peel.html

Full document of the PEEL commission.

The Jews accepted, arabs rejected. They would’ve had 80% of the land and the Jews would only have 20%.

The Arabs have rejected independent statehood five times, twice this century.

So I’m not sure where you get your information from. But they had their chance and they blew it.

BlackShirt20: please tell me in which part of the Peel commision survey the Israeli side agreed for this for easier reading.

The israeli side convened in Zurich, Switzeland regarding this issue in 1937 as per below, here in Israel foreign ministry own words and in the Zionist convention, Jewish political entity convened regarding Peel Commision and rejected it. wants more negotiation on lands from British Colonial Commission.

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionist_Peel_Commission_resolution#/media/File%3AZionistCongressPeelResolution.png

https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/History/Zionism/Pages/ZIONISM-%20Timeline%20of%20Events.aspx#1930

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/zionist-congresses-during-british-mandate-1923-1946

I have zero reason to lie to you this is a widely known information. Me lying is just making me a fool ignorant.

Again whatever it is you trying to frame, Israel now exist as a state but so is Palestinian people and their land and Israel have no rights to evict and make Palestinian refugees.

@sakaixx: Wiki page LOL.

I’ll stick with the actual official document record. Feel free to read it. I sent you a link.

Sure I can capture for you. Hope you stop being ignorant as well and search as well ~

This is the content. You may refer here for further finding of the Congress: I. Galnoor, "Territorial partition of Palestine; the 1937 decision", Political Geography Quarterly, 10:4 (1991)

And below is Israel Ministry of Foreign Affair website summarising the events rejecting it. You may refer here for confirmation: https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/History/Zionism/Pages/ZIONISM-%20Timeline%20of%20Events.aspx#1930