What was january 6th?

"Firey but mostly peaceful" protest when CHOP was set up as cities burned and minority owned businesses were trashed during the George Floyd protests. Violent insurrection when Trump supporters occupy the capital.

Oh and Biden saying you'll need an entire military to defeat the government in regards to second amendment activism but the Taliban defeats the government without an entire military. And we somehow believe that the US almost fell to insurrectionists without a military.

Really depends on how you want to spin things.

I think if anyone was actually "behind" the insurrection on Jan 6, it could have been a lot worse. Fortunately these idiots are driven by emotion and don't really think their way through problems, they just act.

At most this was a fun field trip for whatever hate-group-posing-as-militia they belong to, and that's the extent of their organization; a plane ticket, a rented car, and then "hey let's go inside" response when things got angry.

I'm not worried about any big conspiracy to overthrow the government--that's the right's raison d'etre, so I will leave it to them to be the jackasses that believe in the boogeyman--I'm still just worried about the usual crap; tribalism, social media, and kow-tow'ing to the vocal minority and complete avoidance of anything moderate.

What I did find funny how similar these photos are of the failed insurrectionists in DC are to the successful Taliban in Afghanistan.

January 6 participants:

Fall of Afghanistan participants:

Both are coups, insurrections...whatever you want to call an overthrow of a government. That's exactly what January 6th was; American Taliban trying to overthrow the government. Thank god they weren't as organized as the Taliban.

All of the above. Some people were peaceful but still breaking the law. Some rioters. Some coup/terrorists intentionally there for that reason.

Also lol defending Jan 6th. Yikes. Real bad look for your party that riot.

@sargentd:

Was Alex Jones behind it all the whole time???

The Russians??

I believe most were there due to Trump's election lie.

@mrbojangles25: Wouldn't it make sense for the "American Taliban" to like bring guns and actually take the building? Like the real Taliban.

You don't find your comparison a little off putting.

You REALLY see those 2 situations as the same thing?

@sargentd: only 1 person died on January 6th

It was a citizen, a woman, shot by a cop for breaking a window.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-closes-probe-capitol-police-shooting-woman-killed-jan-6-riot-2021-04-14/

@sirleothelion: I feel like I'm living in a clown world 🤡🤡🤡

No, not really. If you think the defining factor is guns, that speaks a lot to your world view.

I was just speaking of the general demeanor of the two. "Hey looks it's a party, yo take a picture of me sitting in the politician's chair, hey look I'm sitting at the desk of government", etc.

I don't find it off putting, unless you mean I am put off by the eerie similarity of the two (guns notwithstanding).

With that said, I'm sure if this was anywhere other than the capital, they'd have brought guns. I don't doubt that one bit.

Yeah, interesting woman. Air Force vet (iirc), and former Obama voter and supporter. A lot of them fall into the latter category, surprisingly.

As for the death count, you're omitting the fallout; a cop died from complications that came from the attempted coup (you can cite technicalities, but the guy would be alive if not for the coup), plus iirc at least three cops have committed suicide from PTSD suffered from the attempted coup.

I don't expect you to take any of that serious, you might even go so far as to call the cops cowardly or say something toxic about mental health and men, but there it is.

Me too, it's terrifying. Clowns in charge, clowns trying to take down those in charge....clowns everywhere.

Insurrectionist riot. Coordinated or not, the goal of the those morons storming the capital was to overturn and halt the certification of the election results.

how?

ill thought out riot by a bunch of man-children cosplaying soldiers, imagined patriots, and conspiracy loons. stupidity got one of their own killed in the process ( surprised it wasn't more honestly, cops showed some pretty heavy restraint )

accomplished nothing in the grand scheme other than getting a bunch of themselves arrested.

good job, guys.

Terrorist attack

Ask them.

In either case, missing the point: they thought they could, and they tried.

Attempted coup. They wanted to stop the certification of votes which is essential to our democracy/peaceful transfer of power which did not happen. The lies and rhetoric about fake fraud that continues today is also part and parcel to that. It's a black eye for the country that brags about democracy and freedom all the time.

I don't think anyone was "behind" it, just a mix of irresponsible political actors mixed with borderline civilized humans.

That being said, those who invaded the capitol should be severely punished, and so should the politicians attempting against the democratic process. What Trump and his gang did was unthinkable in a western democracy until then.

This was obvious. As the summer riots before showcased and demonstrated, "mob mentality" will make people do the dumbest things. It wasn't an elaborate planned conspiracy/coup. Knee-jerk emotional response and justified under the "righteous" anger to riot/cause property damage/trespass.

@Stevo_the_gamer: I agree with you, I also call a duck a duck

We are.

To be quite fair though, there are two kinds of propaganda and hypocrisy: the left wing variety and the right wing variety. You can bet your bottom dollar Washington Examiner and Republicans will use the withdrawal from Afghanistan for a very long time the way CNN and the Democrats used the January 6th incident, which in my opinion, was a bunch of people listening to conspiracy theories doing stupid things.

i agree 100%

He's asking you since you made that statement as if it were fact and not some oped you read online somewhere. People want to Monday-morning quarterback the whole thing, usually to try to frame the events in a narrative that supports a pre-existing opinion or something people want others to believe is true, and tend to ignore a lot of the reality behind the situation, including the dishonesty in the reporting on the matter in order to continue pushing that division.

It wasn't a coup attempt, it wasn't insurrection, and no, the crowd was not shouting racial slurs at the BLM activist working for the capitol police. Yes they were let in by those same police, and it was very likely some agitators were involved. I mean, it's recently been exposed that the FBI had a very large role in the creation of the alleged plot to kidnap Whitmer, so to suggest some of the people of the capitol police cannot have an ulterior motive or engage in actions to further that ulterior agenda is just being naive especially given all the evidence.

You fall for a lot of propaganda. And you seem to have a hard time believing the fact that maybe, just maybe, our government isn't being as honest about a lot of things as they'd like you to blindly, and faithfully believe they are.

Now who is stating opinions as fact?

The "I know you are, but what am I?" defense will not work for you.

What about the "I am rubber, you are glue"?

Definition of insurrection:

1. an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

What’s exactly to debate?

The 6th was an emotional outpouring and culmination of Trump’s rhetoric and lies about the election that led to an uprising in rebellion and resistance. He had convinced those people to mistakenly believe their vote had been stolen, that the election was illegitimate, and had brought them to emotional potency which boiled over into a raving mad mob. Was it an insurrection? Does it need to be well-organized or successful to qualify as one? No. Many went there and breached the Capitol under the intent to disrupt a democratic process in the transfer of power in the goal of precluding it. That was why they were there…..it wasn’t a protest of the election, it was desired to overturn it. If it was simply a riot, then why did they enter the Capitol? What exactly was their intent?

Intent is the determining factor in judging an action. Someone who attempts murder and is unsuccessful doesn’t mean they didn’t attempt murder. It just means they didn’t succeed for whatever reason. Same here. The Right can try to deny it all they wish.

It's crazy that this is even a reality.

So....... what was CHAZ, which you people DON'T think was an insurrection attempt? Every time you people whine about January 6th, all I have to do is point out the hypocrisy and double standards of those complaining about it.

Show examples of your perceived insurrections.

I'm just surprised most of the people weren't "looting" the place despite that girl stole Nancy Pelosi's laptop just to make a quick buck, but for the most parts, it was all the above poll.

I just told you. CHAZ. Tell me how CHAZ, where people literally annexed a part of Seattle and declared it their own country, was not an insurrection.

I wasn't aware the government in Seattle was overthrown. Links to that?

I suppose if you want to qualify CHAZ an insurrection by the definition I provided, I‘ve no problem with that.

…..and such a concession does nothing to prove hypocrisy or a double standard that you wish to prove simply by virtue of sharing labels. If you want to claim that, you have to show equal severity in intention and consequence. One was an uprising against law enforcement that is part of a government, the other was against an entire government itself.

For the millionth time, there is no comparison there, and until you can explain to me how overthrowing the police department for a few weeks is analogous to overthrowing an entire election and eradicating democracy altogether henceforth, your screams of “hypocrisy!” and “double standard!” ring as hollow and untrue as claiming hypocrisy and double standards when someone is punished more severely for attempting to murder someone than for assaulting them.

@LJS9502_basic: It wasnt, he is lying and using that as a distraction to keep attention off of an actual insurrection.

But you already knew that, im just saying it out loud.

People are still defending this?

Really amazes me how many fascists are in America.

By literally halting the process. Quit being dense.

A stupid coup attempt is still a coup attempt.

the thing is, it has stupidity written all over it. what was congress going to do? certify trump instead at gunpoint? and then all those dingbats were going to get on planes and go home and trump would just be president for the next 4 years?? that shit wouldn't hold up to the onslaught of legal challenges that would have arisen.

alternatively, they delay certification? ok, for how long? they're just going to try to occupy the capitol forever?

there was no possible outcome that wasn't going to result in biden being certified ( either that day or another ) and a bunch of these idiots with a ticket to jail.

Whataboutism.

little column A, little column B, little column C

...but mostly idiots doing idiot things because our president at the time (also an idiot) lied to them.

It was exactly what you saw when you were watching the live footage on JAN 6. It was an absolute failing of a group to have common sense and believing the lies of a sad, desperate man who proved over his 4 year presidency that he favors conspiracy theories over anything else. It was like watching the slow, slow death of common sense and rational behavior. It was also pretty violent.

Disgusting behavior, overall.

Lmfao, no, it isn't. It's exposing your hypocrisy which is exactly why you do not want to answer that question. So far, only one of you has had the balls to admit CHAZ was an insurrection, albeit, only a half admission.

So the people of CHAZ had absolutely no intention of overthrowing the duly elected government in Seattle and declare a piece of their land their own sovereign nation? Except, that is exactly what they did, and for a time, they actually occupied that piece of land. I agree, there is no comparison. CHAZ was an actual insurrection. January 6th was a riot being twisted by the media and pigs like Pelosi because it serves their purpose politically.

I mean for Christ sake to try to make it seem worse than it actually was, she marched a BLM activist in to make dishonest claims about the crowd screaming racial slurs at him. It's a joke people like you attempt to sensationalize to absolve leftwing extremists from the very real insurrection they committed last summer.

It literally is. Anyway back on topic.

I'm glad this hero was exonerated for shooting the crazed insurrectionist,

Capitol Police officer who shot Ashli Babbitt formally exonerated | TheHill

U.S. Capitol Police have formally exonerated an officer who shot and killed Ashli Babbitt on Jan. 6.

“USCP’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) determined the officer’s conduct was lawful and within Department policy, which says an officer may use deadly force only when the officer reasonably believes that action is in the defense of human life, including the officer’s own life, or in the defense of any person in immediate danger of serious physical injury,” Capitol Police said in a statement.

@eoten: Stay on topic. Your attempts at changing the topic arent working.

Instigated and hyped up. The proof is how unorganized and ineffective the defense was. Although the protest was announced weeks in advance, plenty of time to gain intel who participates and in what numbers. But appropriate preparations and countermeassures to protect the center of power? When all the protesters were gone, the Fortress building skills all over sudden were maxed out overnight. Where was the threat no one was aware weeks prior and that made em shake in their boots?

Technically it was an insurrection, by virtue of the definition of insurrection.

In reality, it was a poorly thought out, largely unplanned protest that turned into a riot, with a few little pockets of people acting in coordinated fashion. IE: There were a few people who had T-shirts printed.

I have a very hard time believing the intent behind this was to indeed overthrow the government and install a dictatorship though.

Why? Because it seems ridiculously unlikely that actual revolutionaries attempting to overthrow the government, would bring zero guns. Especially in America where we know that getting access to a firearm isn't generally a huge obstacle.

The guys with the noose need to be investigated and charged though. Even if it was just a prop, they should be charged as though they intended to use it imo.

Keep prevaricating as long as you want.

The fact is that the transparent, disingenuous attempts to damage control and draw equivalence to mitigate the harm to the party responsible will be remembered only for what they’re worth: pathetic, petty tribalism and the worst of what partisan politics has to offer. Despite consequence, January 6th will be remembered many years from now and in history as a disgusting affront against democracy, and any real American would put aside allegiance to party politics in the desire to hold those responsible accountable. Not try to absolve, marginalize or whatabout in excuse of it simply because they hold to party over country.

CHAZ and the like? It will be relegated to the bin of many other riots. Nothing is noteworthy of it, because it didn’t target the foundation of our Republic, but at least it can claim to hold itself to a higher ideal based in fact. The 6th was bad enough, that it was based on nothing but delusion makes it all the worse.

I don’t care if you’re on the wrong side of history in your desperation to marginalize the 6th, but you do demonstrate where your allegiances lie, and they’re not to this country in doing so.

It's a scapegoat used to paint anyone the government wishes as a domestic terrorist.

It was an unorganized group of morons that gave the left exactly what they wanted. I'd bet the officers that opened doors for many of those people knew exactly what they were doing and that those people would get curb stomped. Some... deserve their punishments. Others were just witless idiots.

@Telekill: Stop downplaying it.

@thenation: it was the end of days, the day everything... became nothing.....

If it is such a transparent, disingenuous attempt to damage control, then answer the question. Did the people of CHAZ takeover a piece of property that belonged to the city/state and declare it their own nation? Yes, or no.

@thenation: Stop exaggerating it.