What was january 6th?

@Telekill: im not.

No one is exaggerating it. An insurrectionist mob literally drove out both chambers of Congress during a joint session, during the certification of an election they lost, none the less. That isn't something that ANYONE should be ok with. The fact that it happened is frightening.

@HoolaHoopMan: No. I'm over the BS narrative. It was nothing more than a group of morons. All but one officer let it happen. The one officer that did his job shot and killed one of the people coming in through the window and that was excessive force. One man against 200... I don't blame him though.

Now it's used as fear mongering while the fascists take this country over... and you applaud it.

A couple is something organized and planned. This is just another dem exaggeration. I do think those that hurt officers need to be dragged off to jail, but last I checked no one gets arrested in the monthly BLM protests with their antifa backup. Just like that, this is a peaceful protest gone wrong.

I can guarantee if the politics was on the opposite side you wouldn't say this. Sad to put party over country.

@LJS9502_basic: You can't guarantee s**t. I call it how it is. The Republicans get no special treatment from me for their f**k ups but I won't join in the false narrative about them either. If anything the Republicans have shown they're inept.

No you're NOT calling it how it is. You're using far right talking points and buzzwords.

@LJS9502_basic: I'm actually pretty moderate... or at least what used to be moderate. I stayed put while you crazy leftists rotated the Overton window. Now anything right of Californian leadership is considered far right.

Spare me you're pathetic shilling to your cult.

Nah you're not moderate. You much further right than I am and I'm a moderate.

@LJS9502_basic: You consider yourself moderate? 🤣😂🤣😂

Oh I don't expect far right individuals in denial to understand that. Like I said, you're far right.

Calling us fascists while handwaving an attempt to halt the election certification process? That is some monumental cognitive dissonance.

To be fair, the term "moderate" is among the most useless term in all of politics. It seems like it would be useful in a two party system, but those parties are composed of so many interests and viewpoints that it simply isn't.

For example, someone who considers themselves a moderate may possess nuanced viewpoints such as being in favor of a fluid mixed economic model, the specifics of which can fluctuate based on the current needs of the macro economy or even the current state of specific industries.

Meanwhile another person who considers themselves a moderate may be a hardliner on economic issues (say, a true Socialist) and also a hardliner on social issues in the other direction.

Both can reasonably make a claim to the moderate label, but no one would consider the two even remotely equivalent.

@HoolaHoopMan: Dude... FBI investigation agrees with me. Get over it.

I don't think you understand what the FBI report said.

@HoolaHoopMan: I really don't care what you think.

Hang on, how is this story "FBI finds no evidence of a coordinated attack", when they only seem to ask "a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation"?

I'd take this with a huge grain of salt. It isn't a formal announcement by the FBI.

It was an attempted coup. Those people tried to overthrow the first branch of government and do harm to elected representatives. They even had a noose set up for Pence.

No. It is official, it always has been official. There are just too many people who dont know a proper coup from a bunch of hooligans, and their vile poltical opportunism.

Fake news is more dangerous than these people realize. And they've 100% been duped by it to the point of thinking we need inquisitions to root out and exterminate large groups of the population in response.

@eoten: Glad you figured it out. Now will you accept that helped january 6 and get that Fox News is a propganda machine abd stop pushing their lies?

Do you think CNN and NBC give you honest, accurate, and reliable information? A simple yes or no.

@eoten: Stop deflecting.

49 votes, 55% say it was a coup? At least 25 users have no idea what the defintion of coup d etat is.

A coup d'état (/ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/ (About this soundlisten); French for "blow of state"), usually shortened to coup,[1] is the seizure and removal of a government and its powers. Typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a political faction, the military, or a dictator.[2] Many scholars consider a coup successful when the usurpers seize and hold power for at least seven days.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup

In a coup usually military is key part - for obvious reasons - like it was with Myanmar 2021 or the attempted 2016 coup in Turkey. Was this the case january 6th? Not one bit. No plan, no army, protesters had no heavy weapons, nothing. And some dolts still think it was an attempt to overthrow the US government? How goddamn stupid are you?

@palasta: In the US we own arms because we're a well regulated militia. There ya go.

@palasta: Notice that 'typically' in there?

If you want to argue that it was merely an attempted coup, then sure. It was unsuccessful. But the lack of military involvement doesn't mean it doesn't fit the definition.

@mattbbpl: Yesyes, and ignore everything else. I guees it is not as obvious that the military had to get involved to make it a coup. The missing leadership, virtually no organisation in a gathering of protesters from all corners of the US and more...

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/15/956842958/what-we-know-so-far-a-timeline-of-security-at-the-capitol-on-january-6

You ll find better security and barricading at a football game. European football.

There was no coup, no insurrection. Period. But one thing it was for sure: a US politics kayfabe spectacle.

Not a coup I’d agree, but absolutely an insurrection.

But I really don’t understand the appeal to such semantic qualifiers, as if the 6th does not conform to the exact boundaries of said terminology, it’s somehow less awful. It’s equally bad, if not worse than the two. At the very least, the 6th was a demonstration of:

•the embracing of lies and delusion

•complete disregard for fact and critical thinking

•contempt for our democracy….

•….for our institutions…

•…its members…

•….the Constitution…

•….the rule of law…

•…and a testament to the degree of gullibility and manipulation of the masses by emotional appeal

Coup, insurrection, unneeded. It was disgraceful on numerous levels, period. Christ, at least BLM and Antifa can claim some grounds (such as making a moral argument) to rationalize their actions. Racial injustice exists, as does fascism. But Jan 6th? Those protests stand on nothing. Facts are not on their side, there‘s no moral position they can appeal to. Those people were nothing but gullible and delusional. What can they claim in justification of their actions? Lies….it’s all they have.

Oh, it's semantics again.

You continue to believe trusting in different lies makes you the better human who stands for a great good.

So you support a losing party trying to gin up violence to stop the democratic electoral procedures we have in the US based on our Constitution and laws. Good to know.

@palasta: what lies are those?

For example that white US police is inherently racist and just loves to murder innocent black people.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745731839/new-study-says-white-police-officers-are-not-more-likely-to-shoot-minority-suspe

Btw. noticing the Roy Wood Jr. avatar (mattbbpl) reminds me of the episode of the Daily Show with Trevor Noah where they shown the shooting of Philando Castile, but edited, giving a falsified image of the event and distorting the truth.

And this...

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-science-environment-and-nature-6ac8ff49970e4b052489678b40e3ba82

I said racial injustice.

I understand that BLM and the media portray disproportionately the degree for which they proclaim to stand in protest against; that doesn’t mean there isn’t truth to the fact racism does exist, and does in fact hold relevance on some police conduct. BLM’s cause isn’t based on a lie, it’s based on an exaggeration of the truth.

Jan 6th though? The claim their actions were based on is 100% a lie. They have nothing to justify their actions except delusions sold to them by a conman.

@MirkoS77:

How is it going with "exaggerating the truth", including destorting history? Is the US on the way to a brighter and friendlier and justlier future? You are convinced inciting violence, destroying peoples lifes and lifelihoods is justified and will lead to ze final solution? Then you are the same as those dolts who thought its a good idea to binge beer and storm the thingy where poltics happens. Or maybe even worse..

that doesn’t mean there isn’t truth to the fact racism does exist

You re strawmaning the shit out of this strawman. The truth is racism does exist in every corner of the world. But that is not what the media and BLM tell, that is not the narrative they are catering to. Therefore a lie. Have you seen the latest CCP CRT propaganda video? But hey, you gotta break some eggs if you want to make a cake, right? Even if it means playing into the hands of the kind of ideologues responsible for unprecendended human suffering.

I a have stayed silent on this for many reasons. The fact is the coup began in November of 2016. The Washington elites and the Democrats did everything they could to get Trump out of office. Spying on him undermining people in his administration, planning to invoke the 25th amendment using government officials, a two year phony probe involving Russia and a phony impeachment over a perfectly good phone call. After all of this did not accomplish their goals it came down to the election which in early 2020 looked like Trump was shoe in for a second term. The Democrats ran on Covid with the help of the media. Over three hundred law suits were filed by Democratic operatives though out the country to change election laws using Covid. The media hid and banned any stories that put Biden in a bad light and misrepresented Trump or out right pushed falsehoods. Biden stayed bunkered up during the election and when he did come out in public no one went to hear him and the hardest question the media ask him was what flavor ice cream he liked. The ne election itself there were a number of discrepancies with the election in many states when evidence was brought forward it was dismissed and never investigated. The courts would not get involved even when there was clear evidence. When Trump went to the Supreme Court to have them revied his case and evidence he was told he had no standing. If he has no standing as president what citizen ever will ? Even when a challenged by sixteen state attorney generals petitions the Supreme Court there case was dismissed. So now we come the January 6, 2121 people having been ignored by the very officials who are supposed to hear their grievances they took matters into their own hands and held a mass rally to show the leaders they were not going to be ignored. After all they just spent the summer seeing cities destroyed by Black Live Matter and Antifa. Of all the people in the rally only by comparison entered the capital many of them waved in by the capitol police.

@JimB: You have not stayed silent and your post is all BS.

A good offense is not your best defense.

I‘ve still to be provided one reason in valid justification of the 6th that isn’t predicated on delusion.

Not even going to touch on all the other stuff, just this.

All of the “discrepancies” of the election have been addressed and dismissed as nauseam by qualified individuals. As I have to continually repeat, the courts wouldn’t hear the evidence simply because it failed to meet the basic standards of legal metric required. And standing? Please. Trump was granted the benefit of the doubt FAR in excess of the evidentiary merit of his claims simply by virtue of his standing as chief executive. This country’s institutions bent over backwards for his lies for months on end, whereas they would’ve been otherwise laughed at mercilessly if he were an ordinary Joe. That his bald-faced lies even reached the SC‘s jurisprudence was an act of incredible grace and privilege granted to position, not any substantiation of the evidence. I’m astonished it got that far.

Yes, so we come to Jan. 6th. People haven’t been ignored, what happened was the lies they base their beliefs around have been rejected. They hold no valid grievances because their worldview is fundamentally wrong, yet there’s no self-awareness or introspection. Fraud happened, the election was stolen, period. That’s apparently an immutable alternative fact not even allowed to be questioned and no amount of evidence or testimony, even from those qualified to guard our elections, from numerous Republicans in positions of privilege, from a two thirds majority conservative Supreme Court (three appointed by Trump himself) is good enough. What ever will be? Nothing. Conservatives will resort to anything and everything possible: conspiracy, political infighting, ostracism, changing the laws….everything aside the truth.

Because, to Republicans, the truth presents a reality worse than any amount of lies could possibly incur in its harm to our Republic: Democrats in power. Apparently, the alternative to that is worth the destruction of the very democracy that enables it.

@JimB: Even if you are right JimB, nobody here will care.

It was a failed coup.

Only reason it wasn't worse is because the election results were evacuated too. I guarantee they were going to destroy or burn them if security did nothing.

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Did you read what i wrote or did give up half way through? Apparently.

I’m still waiting.

@MirkoS77: Waiting for what? It was you who justifies left extremist violence and incitement with lies about systemic racism. It is you who needs to definitely proof US law enforcement is systemically racist.