Would putin have invaded if trump was president?

I feel like it wouldn't have happened. Trump never liked nato, and as a business man he would have negotiated something with Russia. But the leftists would have accused trump of being putins puppet, so I don't know. Either way, I feel like trump would have gotten us all a better deal.

Yes. trump was weakening NATO and alienating allies. Did he not also plan to leave NATO if re-elected? Also trump would NEVER stand up to Putin.

Trump would have given Putin Ukraine and told the American people that Putin was doing a great job.

Yes. Good god is this what happens when Trump isn't president? We get Trump Obsession Syndrome?

Russia invading Ukraine has nothing to do with US politics. Period. Dude's been invading and trying to invade and making puppet states over there for years. Georgia. Ukraine. Ukraine again. Belarus.

I'm telling ya, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania better watch out.

*Actually you could argue Trump weakened international politics, created a social-political climate of right-wing extremism, and fostered this behavior. It'd be much easier to argue Putin invaded because of Trump.

Trump wants to paint US F-22 fighter planes in Chinese livery, use them to bomb Russia, and then say "We didn't do it, China did".

How would someone that thinks in those terms get us a "better deal"?

"He's a helluva guy, Putin. You know I got us a real good deal. These Ukrainians are basically Russian anyway, what's the big deal?"

@blaznwiipspman1: I agree

@sargentd: its funny. President Trump has been bashing nato and Europe for YEARS, saying they should increase spending to at least 2% of gdp instead of leeching off us for the last 70+ years. Trump even tried to push it to 4%. On top of that, there's numerous videos of him bashing the German councilor for effectively being dependent on Russian oil and gas. Say what you want but Trump knew what he was talking about. Honestly if Trump was given more freedom he could have pulled off an agreement with putin and Kim Jung

@Serraph105: lol bs. Putin wouldn't have even bothered to invade ukraine when he could diplomatically negotiate with President Trump.

@blaznwiipspman1: if by diplomatically you mean getting Trump to publicly suck his **** on national tv, sure. Then Putin would bomb Ukrain immediately after.

Russia kept building bases around Ukraine to support this invasion, so I don't see how he wouldn't. At best he would wait to see if Trump was really pulling the US out of NATO and be a bigger problem.

Trump did more to weaken US's position in the world stage than any enemy of the west could dream of. His lack of vision being taken as him being a great strategist is one of the funniest revisionisms in recent history. It's like people trying to ignore now, how he made Iran's situation a much bigger problem than it was.

My biggest concern is that this autistic far-right school of though, who can't see past his own nose, will inevitably end up in calamity. I mean, it is concerning that they share the same ideology than Putin, but their impulse for self-harm is what's really insane. Trump was/is about solving "problems" in the now without any regard for the future and achieving "peace" by siding with tyrants.

Unfortunately I was spot on about the consequences of his disastrous foreign policy.

Trump would have pulled out of NATO and Russian would have green lit a Ukraine invasion, no doubt. Trump was the idiot with a wrecking ball that was doing Putin's job for him. It's revisionist nonsense from Trump cultists to suggest otherwise.

If it were possible for any US president to avoid this, it would have required Hillary Clinton winning in 2016 I guess.

Yes; and I can imagine Trump repeating Putin's lies in an effort to gaslight the American people.

Are you suggesting that the US has the right to condemn the Ukrainian people to Putin's abusive regime? You think the Ukrainians would just accept that? Clearly they don't want to be part of Russia. Why do you think diplomacy between the US and Russia would change that?

I think he was taking a shot at trump there.

@pyro1245: meh. We invaded Iraq on bogus chemical weapons charges, killed hundreds of thousands of people, majority civilians, deposed of saddam, but this caused massive instability later and many more vicyims. Then installed a puppet regime. Now Iraq is on friendly terms with us. I'm guessing something similar will happen for Ukraine and Russia.

I don't think so.

Suuuuuuuuuuure. He also kicked a puppy once, and put pineapple on his pizza. But that pales in comparison to something far more sinister I seen Trump do once. He played a retro game and he stretched it to 16:9.

Putin has invaded and conquered (at least part thus far) Ukraine twice in recent years when Biden was either President or Vice President. Russia's latest invasion occurred while Biden was/is President. That's quite telling.

What's quite telling is the lengths 45 went to to weaken NATO while cozying up to Putin. Also it's not quite working out for Putin either.

@blaznwiipspman1: Trump killed any chance of a deal with Kim Jong Un when he hired John Bolton as an advisor. I had hoped things would work out when he was fired, but even that didn't help.

This is pure speculation on my part, but I have little doubt Trump killing the Iran deal was brought up by Korean negotiators. Trying to guarantee the same thing wouldn't happen with them would have been a difficult hurdle to get over.

To be clear, I wish it had happened. In fact, I would take a second Trump term for a nuclear deal with North Korea.

To your original question, yes I do think Putin would have still invaded Ukraine. Trump let the cat out if the bag he subscribes to the madman theory for foreign policy. That only works when you don't tell people you're doing it.

Far more politically advantageous to have a pathetic autocratic wannabe in office for Putin that sucked his dick at every turn, expressed disdain towards NATO, criticized allies of the west, and deferred to Putin’s intelligence over the country he swore to defend than to upset such potential with an invasion.

It was on the table regardless, only a matter of what Putin saw as more exploitable and advantageous in the traitor aka Trump.

This would never have happened under Trump. Of course not. If Trump had won another term, Putin would have waited. Putin worked very hard to help get Trump elected so he could continue to chip away at the U.S. - NATO relationship. Trump and Putin weakened the NATO relationship for 4 years. I am 100% sure Putin would have pushed Trump to leave NATO, and because Trump is easily manipulated, he would have done it.

It's amazing how gullible Trump is. So easily manipulated. Wow.

Putin had been setting it up for years. This wasn't spur of the moment.

@girlusocrazy: let's not suddenly paint ukraine as clean all of a sudden. There's plenty of disgusting Ukrainians out there as there are innocent Ukrainians. Just look at the dirty dealings the bidens had with ukraine in the past to know all you need to know

And they were?

@girlusocrazy: not really. Theres videos of putin saying he'd like a closer relationship with the US when trump was president. Trump was also threatening to pull out of nato. At that point, would putin have invaded ukraine if trump pulled us out? It's questionable..I mean what need would there be for Russia to even bother with invading in that scenario? It's not worth the sanctions and heavy cost to do so. Putin isn't an idiot.

Judging from the last month, Putin is definitely an idiot.

@blaznwiipspman1: That doesn't make any sense.

You agree that Putin and Trump worked well together, and Trump was actively planning to weaken NATO. So it's fairly obvious that if Russia invaded Ukraine in that scenario, Trump would have supported him and NATO couldn't have done anything to stop it.

As you said, Putin isn't an idiot. We know that Putin put a lot of effort into getting Trump elected, so it would make zero sense to do that if he thought Trump would hurt his chances of invading Ukraine.

@Planeforger: lmao...you leftists sure are hilarious painting trump as a traitor. Putin had nothing to do with trump getting elected. He did that on his own and did a fantastic job in office. If trump would have pulled out of nato, something that's highly unlikely, given that trump said a lot of things but were discouraged and rejected by many in his own party. Nato withdrawl was never going to happen, even if trump did want it. It was more of a bluff to get those European leech countries to start pulling their own weight.

What trump did say is that he didn't like how nato was spreading east and provoking Russia. He pretty much told them to stay in their lane, and thats something every one can agree with. Nato needs to stay in their lane. With trump in office, there might have been a deal worked out between Russia and nato to keep it from pursuing its expansionist policies.

Face it...Biden foreign policy and diplomatic skills have been a disaster. First Afghanistan and now this mess in Ukraine. Compare that to trump, who aside from covid has a fairly peaceful 4 years without much happening.

It's funny, even climate action was better under trump. Trump refusal on the Paris agreement and his rhetoric scared other countries enough that they all started doing better. 2 years into biden, and all these countries are using more coal than ever before.

no, putin wouldn't have dared. trump is too much of a tough guy. he would single handedly stood on the ukrainian border and scared the russian army away.

look at him, ready to swat those russian aircraft out of the sky

Alot of ex soviet countries are already nato members, so how exactly was he going to rebuild the soviet? Thats a dumb hot take if I ever seen one. Theres a few smaller countries who are ex soviet and neutral parties, but there is no real reason for putin to go and invade them. They don't have oil, or any geopolitical importance or any desire to shift towards nato.

Pride is nice and all but being a leader for so many years means you need to have a level of common sense.

He's continuing because theres no real reason to stop at this point. Russia has already been hit by what is pretty much a nuclear bomb in financial sanctions. The world turned russia into north korea over night. If putin knew that taking ukraine wouldn't be such an easy thing, and that he would have to suffer so many sanctions, I doubt he'd have attacked ukraine in the first place. But now hes long past the point of no return and theres absolutely no reason to stop the attack on ukraine.

Hence the part where trump weakens NATO for him. 2 + 2 = 4

When did that happen?

How'd Putin get Trump elected exactly?

no need to say anything about nato, its always been a piece of trash. Not only were they unwilling to pull their own weight, consistently putting more and more weight on US instead of investing in their own military, they also had a long and intentional expansionist history. It was obvious Russia would never take this kindly but NATO did it anyways. Trump called out NATO multiple times because he could see the war situation that would prop up from their actions and he was right. Would putin have invaded these soviet countries if they remained neutral, and not joined up with a military organization with expansionist dreams like nato, or pushed for membership into the EU? I don't know..maybe, or maybe not. Its just speculation at this point.

What has Biden done to make it more difficult?

We can say ‘no’ without any hesitation. Because Russia didn’t invade while he was president. They did encroach during Bush, Obama, and now Biden, though… not sure how anyone can peg this on Trump.

A poor attempt at pegging it on Trump is happening because Joe was supposed to fix everything and he already has multiple foreign blunders during his short time in office.

@musicalmac: right lol.. like if Putin saw Trumps presidency as an opportunity to make moves... He would have made moves... It's pretty clean cut

Most of you are screwed in the head, pro-war idiots who don't know what you're saying nor the consequences of NATO expansion on Russian borders. This is not about Putin being a crazy hitler clone who's out for world domination. This has mostly to do with arming an already violent Ukrainian govt with a NATO military and missile system to gain control of the pipelines and monopolize the energy. The Ukrainian people are literally cannon fodder to your ignorant anti-Russian views and desire for warfare to 'liberate' people. The best way to liberate them is to return their former, pre-2014 government which was democratically elected AND neutral. Biden and his son need to pack the f up from the east and stop terrorizing other countries in the meanwhile.

If you want to keep Ukraine's corruption protected, pick up a weapon and go fight. Don't compel people to fight for you. Ukraine is accepting foreign support. Go be the hero you want to see in Ukraine. Pick up a weapon and you'll have all our blessing.

Lol, it’s going to be amusing to watch how Trump handles Putin and the Ukraine situation when he’s back in office.

I said it when the war started 3 weeks ago...ukraine had a REAL shot at defending its place. With the sheer amount of weapons that the west was funneling into ukraine. It must have been 20,000 anti tank missiles, countless drones and other munitions. The ukranians might have a weaker army but they were very well funded. On the other hand, putin has been cornered hard. The sanctions are so bad, they don't even have mcdonalds anymore. His people are just as much westernized as we are. How long will they tolerate not having tiktok, mcdonalds, and other creature comforts that they got well used to?

The one thing I do know, is that China has been watching very carefully, and they will structure their system so that in the future when they decide to invade, they won't be affected by sanctions to anywhere near the same degree. The one who won the most out of this is China. They got their research and they didn't have to do a damn thing.

Trump would have let Putin do whatever he wanted and would have likely praised whatever that would have been.

If he could get the US to leave NATO, the Russian military would be strong enough to invade some of the smaller NATO members on its border. At least on paper it would. In reality, it appears to not be strong enough to invade Ukraine without any real tangible support from NATO.