Is Sonic the Hedgehog near the end?

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#1 xdude85
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It seems everywhere you go, professional game critics seem to enjoy bashing the Sonic franchise, it actually makes me sad to tell you the truth. I'm just not talking about X-Play (I hate X-Play by the way) I mean almost every game critic.

Although I like Sonic games they do make a point, to many Sonic fans Sega has poorly developed recent Sonic games, there was Shadow the Hedgehog to try and mature the franchise and that didn't work, then there was Sonic the Hedgehog 360/PS3 but sadly that just made things worse.

Sonic and the Secret Rings helped Sonic a little but again there was mixed reactions amongst Sonic fans and game critics.

So with recent low rated games, and a majority of game critics hating Sonic, is the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise we know it about to be laid to rest?

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#2 sonicphc
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Nope. Sonic has too large a fan base, SSR was a positive sign, and everybody loved the original Sonic Rush, which bodes well for its sequel.
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#3 Soniczero1993
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I never think he'll die.
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#4 Dark_Mits
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Sonic titles keep selling in the millions. Heroes sold more than 6 millions on the PS2 and GC accoriding to Wikipedia! Add at least another million through XBOX and PC and you have a game that sold as much as World of Warcraft! [side note: I think Heroes is the best Sonic title of all times, thanks to multiplatform releases]. Shadow has sold significantly less, but still broke the 1 million mark. I don't know about Sonic Next but it currently should be somewhere around 500,000 pcs. When a game sells millions, it is without doubt that sequels will spawn. The only game I know that sold more than 1 million and was not considered a success is Shenmue.

I think there is a general bashing towards Sega overall. Previews for Sega games rarely point out good parts like in other games. When Sega revealed the lineup of games to be showcased in E3, most fans bypassed Sonic Rush Adventure, Mario and Sonic, and NiGHTS and said "Where is Shenmue 3, Jet Set and some-other-game-I-don't-remember-now?". Kotaku always uses a curse word in the same sentence with "Sega" and "Sonic".

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#5 deactivated-60105f7608809
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he'll never die!!! he's just going through a tough time. just give it some time and trust me, things are gonna get better. if it doesn't, i'll punch myself.
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#6 sho565
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If the one platfromer Sonic Rush Adventure and VC not to mention Live arcade can't be satisfing to fans,customers,and of course gamers then thier maybe no more average Sonic games.

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When i think of the sonic franchise i think of the new england patriots football team [stay with me folks] the reason i say that is the pats used 2 b TERRIBLE!!!!! much like the sonic games now, but with a few changes weremade andthe teamslowly got better and better, like the 49ers are doing again!!! Sonic in the same way is bad but showing progress. If a few things are changed in the gameplay sonic could easily go from worst 2 first, fix the camera angels, and the collison graphics [like when ur flying down a stage on sonic 360 and u miss the rail and th game keeps pushing you forward 2 ur death] Those along with enemy ai are the biggest culprits in the sonic series......A few changes and the same ppl who said sonic is dead will be singing his praises.... The DBZ budokai series got better over time 2 x-play DOES NOT like DBZ and they hated budokai 1&2 but gamedevelopers continued 2 work and budokai3 was a very worthy 4 out of 5 if not a 5 out of 5, sonic will do the same...

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#8 209745241664696408198013673166
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Sonic still sells well, but Sega has made some foolish choices with Sonic. Sonic won't die soon. I think Sonic06 and Sonic Genesis were the bad games. Talk about rushed. Sheesh. Shadow the Hedgehog was lots of fun, and was a good game, though. It just wasn't too popular with alot of people.
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#9 iblisphenixx
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ummm aside from the story shadow the hedgehog was BAD!!! the game was so easy because of the enimies ai that the only times you die you felt totally cheated. Like if an enemy hits you and you fly off the stage or just barely miss a ledge, also they throw thousands of enemyus at you that are all retarted, they dont keven work together they are just there to slow you down. This is the type of stuff that sega needs to fix!!!
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#10 iblisphenixx
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man i shoulda used spell check
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It could've used more work, indeed, but getting shot off a ledge is part of videogame life, so that's fine.
In my opinion, Shadow the Hedgehog was great, and was very fun. Its gameplay was quite satisfying to me, even though it can't compare to Sonic Heroes.
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#12 iblisphenixx
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I think the story was interesting in shadow the hedgehog but the gameplay kept pushing me away from it. I wouldnt mind them giving a shot at a sequel if theyfixed the gameplay though
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Okay, then. The story had too many flaws, but I do like to watch sometimes.
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#14 xdude85
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Shadow the Hedgehog was a decent game and so was Sonic 360/PS3, those games are fun but they're nowhere near to being great like Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, but I still think they're good.

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#15 SuperSonic223
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Recently I tried to get one of my friends to play SR but, he didn't really wanna bother and said "they totally should have stopped making Sonic games by now." So it's kind of sad that game critics like to bash Sonic games so much and to see a lot of people losing intrest in Sonic. He'll never be dead, but I think Sonic Team really just has to step it up so no one has to raise a question like this.
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#16 209745241664696408198013673166
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SH blew SA and SA2 away. It was mostly aboput fast Sonic gameplay. So if they keep the Sonic Heroes engine the same, only make new stages, they can make another impressive Sonic game.
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#17 Soniczero1993
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If Sonic RPG does good maybe this will be his first step back on top, just look at Sonic Rush, that game was awesome!
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#18 tehmasterofall
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Sonic06 was awesome. Everybody hated it though.
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#19 deactivated-60105f7608809
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yea i know. Sonic 06 did have its ups and downs. What I think is that everyone at GameSpot always focuses on the negative stuff.
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Not exactly, everyone on Gamespot focuses on FPSs and slightly on RPGs and startegy games. And mark my words when I say that there will be AT LEAST one reference to the "bumpy past of the Hedgehog" on EVERY SINGLE review of EVERY SINGLE Sonic game in the future, and many will say "I still have that bitter taste of Shadow and Next in my mouth, so I didn't enjoy this game too. 5/10 Good points: Everything, Bad points: Sonic"
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#21 deactivated-60105f7608809
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(off-topic) yay! This is my 900th post. anyway, (on-topic) I meant that they focus on the negative stuff only for Sonic. So................ GET OVER IT GAMESPOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#22 Soniczero1993
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GameSpot just whines because they aren't used to Sonic's speed or mainly it's because they suck.
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Sonic 06 definitely was a shoddy piece of work.
It was rushed. It could've been good if the controls weren't slippery and slow to respond. And terrible load times. 15 seconds to say "ugh"? Gimme a break!
Here's some bad sides from my Sonic fan friend who beat the game:
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"Multiplayer Co-op does NOT allow you to choose the level, Silver can't touch his enimes, Silver AND Shadow can't Spindash, Quite frankly spindash is useless in this game, it seems SEGA thought that you would know the exact level design the first time through, the plot which was pretty good throughout the game turns out to never have happened, Princess Elise, the Supersonic and Supershadow and Supersilver vs. Solaris battle was terrible and boring, Shadow's homing attack makes him stop in mid-air and freeze, Shadow's jump dash color is no longer yellow, to play as Amigos you have to find them in the level for a 2 minute part, SEGA charges money for some of the fun things in the game, the Town stages get boring unless you upgrade Sonic because they are so large that you waste time especially with Silver, Load times for the smallest thing are forever! I'm not just saying little things, but if a guy wants to say "Ugh" it takes 15 seconds to load...dead serious and that is literal and a great looking cutscene with better than ingame graphics takes 2 seconds to load...whats up with that?, some bosses are great while some are crap, Knuckles and Rouge can't glide into enemies, Tails has to throw dummy rings to hurt enemies, Silver has upgradable moves and they all suck, Shadow can turn Dark and it does nothing and Chaos Blast only goes literally about 2 feet away, I'd go on, but I have to go."

Yeah, that's bad. BUt Shadow was a good game.

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Not exactly, everyone on Gamespot focuses on FPSs and slightly on RPGs and startegy games. And mark my words when I say that there will be AT LEAST one reference to the "bumpy past of the Hedgehog" on EVERY SINGLE review of EVERY SINGLE Sonic game in the future, and many will say "I still have that bitter taste of Shadow and Next in my mouth, so I didn't enjoy this game too. 5/10 Good points: Everything, Bad points: Sonic"Dark_Mits
^^This is truth, plain and simple. Pure, unadulterated truth!^^
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#25 iblisphenixx
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the fact is that sega kina dug thier own grave here guys. if past sonic games had been better then gamespot wouldnt have so much ammunition to throw as reasons not to buy another sonic game
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Sega is indeed stupid. It's sad, cuz Sonic is so cool.

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#27 sonicphc
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Okay, yes, review sites have ammunition, but how many fan-boys ACTUALLY read game reviews?
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#28 209745241664696408198013673166
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Not many. Or at least not thoroughly.
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#29 Soniczero1993
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I still do.
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#30 iblisphenixx
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me 2 plus unlike most of the fanboyz i have a mind of my own which is powerful enough 2 make a decision about a game based only on what it plays like not who is on the cover. That is wat a real game review should be about. Forget that its sonic or gundam or any other big name just look at the gameplay of course if the games bad and the character is popular you have officially given shows like x-play the bullets they need to put into the head of the pervervial franchise
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#31 Dark_Mits
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Well said!
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#32 iblisphenixx
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thanks i try. i try....
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#33 209745241664696408198013673166
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X-play is mostly one big comedy act. I never take them seriously.
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#34 deactivated-60105f7608809
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Yeah. They always try to be funny, but it never works.
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#35 iblisphenixx
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No i can remember a time when x-play was truly funny. But after years and years, like most things that get popular it becomes commercialised and now the jokes aren't peppered in which made the show truly funny. Now they seem forced and stuck in every sentence just to get ratings
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#36 209745241664696408198013673166
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They're funny when they talked about Billy-chu, the Pokemon fan.
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#37 Soniczero1993
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They are reading it off a teleprompter, I remember Adam said something about some game, and a month later Morgan said the same exact thing! They are just reading reviews from people who've already rated them, it only makes sense.
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i think iremeber what ur talkin about and it was refering 2 a bad camera angle or somethin. thats why they used the joke again it was still tru

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#39 supersonic_90
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people hated sonic06 because of the whole sonicxeilse thing.....
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#40 deactivated-60105f7608809
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yea. wat were they thinkin?
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The last part of Sonic06 was stupid: HOLY CRAP Sonic is killed by Mephiles the Dark who then merges with Iblis and transforms into the evil Solaris, but the tears of Princess Elise combined with the chaos emeralds resurrects Sonic into Super Sonic, who then engages in a heroic epic battle against Solaris with Shadow and Silver, who Elise manages to somehow destroy and invert time and space and cause all the events to undo themselves and everyone forgets what happened but a small part of Elise will always unconsciously remember Sonic as the brave blue hero who rescued her and saved her kingdom. No I'm not kidding. God this rocks out loud!!!!!1111!!!!!!!1
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:lol: Just wait 'till you see the sequel! They get together again, and this time they have kids.
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"Just wait 'till you see the sequel! They get together again, and this time they have kids"

Damn thats gross!!!

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Sonic and....and....e-Elise BLAAAAAHH!!! (barfs badley) Oh man, I think I lost an organ. That makes me sick to my stomach. Guys, never mention that name again.
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#45 deactivated-60105f7608809
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*watches soniczero barfs* *shivers and screams calling for a medic* The medic is not only for you. They're here for Sega as well. I think they're sick too.
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They've been smoking drugs.
*doesn't mention Elise*
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Sonic hasn't had a good run into the 3rd-dimension. Even his first pass out of 2D (Sonic 3D for Genesis) was bad.
A few more like Sonic andthe Secret Rings, and Sonic will be back on track. Any more like Sonic 06, and his future will be dim.

Unless he gets into Super Smash Bros. Brawl, then (unless he really sucks) he won't die off.

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#48 Dark_Mits
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Unless he gets into Super Smash Bros. Brawl, then (unless he really sucks) he won't die off.demoman_chaos
Wait, did you just say that if Sonic is in Brawl then he'll die off?
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#49 hack40
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I thinkSonic will last as long as Shun Nakamura said: "20 or 30 years". But it disappointing how Sonic isn't big a player he was before. In Sonic Adventure 1, there was this huge production meeting and I saw all these people in. I don't see that anymore.People even say Sonic Adventure 2 was the lastgood Sonic game.Maybe SEGA is still upset over the Dreamcast (LONG LIVE THE DREAMCAST!). I think Yuji Naka must come back. SA1, SA2, and Heroes did very well. Shadow may have been hated butcome on. That was only one game. Sonic Riders didn't exactly get a bad rating but yeah it did have its flaws. But Gamespot still cutted Sonic some slack! Maybe if Yuji Naka stayed and devoloped Sonic Next Gen... it would have been a complete game. And what was the point of delaying the PS3 version when it was the EXACT same thing?

By the way, about everyone calling Sonic Next a rushed, incomplete game... Sonic Adventure started off glitchy when it was first released in Japan but it was all the same. Perhaps the same will happen to Next Gen.

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#50 schoolsucks2005
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I think that Sonic has still got life in him. A lot of people say that Sonic fans are stupid or that thenew gameare crap, I don't see it that way. To me, I don't care whether Sonic is in Brawl or not. As much as I would like him to, it is not a huge letdown if he isn't. Okay, maybe some Sonic games are poor, but most are good and I'm sick to death of people degrading Sonic fans and saying "you like the newer Sonic games? You are a Sonic fanboy and I hate you!!" I mean come on! We Sonic fans aren't even allowed to like a game without being called some stupid name. I know Sonic games aren't perfect and not what they used to be, but still he has still got good games like Secret Rings and Sonic Rush andmaybe even some along the way. To be honest though, I've never played Sonic 360so I can't say anything about it.