Sonic 4 And Colors Is Not Enough

But it is a start.

Although Sonic Team didn't make Sonic Genesis.

But it is a start.

Although Sonic Team didn't make Sonic Genesis.

sonictrainer

That's not the point. It is a Sonic game though.

That's not the point. It is a Sonic game though.

IslandBros15

You can't blame Sonic Team for a remake of a game, especially Sonic's FIRST EVER GAME, that they didn't remake.

Especially when you can play Sonic 1 in about 1 of any of the 20 different Sonic/SEGA collection games and even on your cell phone.

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That's not the point. It is a Sonic game though.

sonictrainer

You can't blame Sonic Team for a remake of a game, especially Sonic's FIRST EVER GAME, that they didn't remake.

Especially when you can play Sonic 1 in about 1 of any of the 20 different Sonic/SEGA collection games and even on your cell phone.

Yeah. WHAT WENT WRONG? How did they screw up so much on Sonic Genesis? Nintendo was able to port Super Mario Bros. to the GBA, and even though the graphics looked squished, it was still playable. Sonic Genesis was completly unplayable, and it is an example of what "Genesis does what Nintendon't."

we all know this. this is the start of good things to come for sure though. try being a little more positive, yea?sonichedgehog45

My thoughts exactly.

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That's not the point. It is a Sonic game though.

IslandBros15

You can't blame Sonic Team for a remake of a game, especially Sonic's FIRST EVER GAME, that they didn't remake.

Especially when you can play Sonic 1 in about 1 of any of the 20 different Sonic/SEGA collection games and even on your cell phone.

Yeah. WHAT WENT WRONG? How did they screw up so much on Sonic Genesis? Nintendo was able to port Super Mario Bros. to the GBA, and even though the graphics looked squished, it was still playable. Sonic Genesis was completly unplayable, and it is an example of what "Genesis does what Nintendon't."

I always thought of is as a mean-spirited to prove that old solgan. (Nice try, Sega. The GBA is WAY better than that.)

Well I see what he's getting at, even if Colors is the great 3D game we hope it is, it's not enough to sustain momentum. Remember when Tomb Raider Legends came out? At first people thought Lara Croft might be ressurected? But then came Underworld and it was back to the same bad camera and samey gameplay.

It's not enough for one game to be good, it has to stay consistent and Sega can't just keep rehashing Colors either. Innovating Sonic gameplay is not having werehogs, playable friends and weapons. Those are just gimmicks. They have to realize what makes the gameplay so good, embrace the platforming aspects of the originals and find creative ways to integrate those into 3D Sonic games.

Sonic 4: Episode 2 will have to step things up a bit more. It won't have nostalgia on it's side this time (see Megaman 10). Hopefully they do bring in Knuckles and Tails for co-op play. NSMBWii made us all want that with a Sonic game.

But seeing as how Sega isn't putting a ton of hype into Free Riders and nixed anymore "storybook" games, it's a sign that they're at least trying to improve the brand.

you make a good point islandbros a comeback? not yet. However with the reception we have seen so far things are starting to and hopefully will continue to change for the better even sonic free riders the game that most of us thought wouldnt do well got a 7.5 from ign. So for now things are looking upgamerguy456

And if you count Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing, that was a good game.

[QUOTE="gamerguy456"]you make a good point islandbros a comeback? not yet. However with the reception we have seen so far things are starting to and hopefully will continue to change for the better even sonic free riders the game that most of us thought wouldnt do well got a 7.5 from ign. So for now things are looking upIslandBros15

And if you count Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing, that was a good game.

Even though it was a Mario Kart clone, it did give Sonic a good start this year. Honestly I enjoyed it way more than Modnation Racers.

Sonic and SEGA All Star Racing was fun much better than Modnation but no Mario Kart Wii for me but that wasn't what I was expecting in fact I was surprised it was a solid effort.

Sonic 4 is a good little game if a bit to short but it doesn't matter the game manages to  mix old and new into a Sonic game which is fine and I liked it.

Sonic Colors looks good hopefully he can at least have a good end to the year.

Sonic Free Riders no one really is to intrested in the game and it uses Kinnect it was probably to get on the bandwagon.

So I'd say he hasn't made a massive return but it is the start of a revival.

Just stick with the good ones that you played then.

Sonic Labyrinth is another really bad Sonic game and what about Sonic Shuffle.

I'll break it down into several steps for Sega.

Use controls responsibly. The biggest complaint Sonic Colors took was that the controls were still flighty in places making it unfairly hard, take the time to polish the controls. If Colors sells well enough to garner an HD port then they should take that opportunity to tighten up the controls for that release.

Take your time. While Colors is well received, Sega still only took two years to work on it. Imagine if they had an extra year, they could've tweaked it even more, added a better multiplayer mode, more levels and it might have been the great comeback instead of just really good.

Stop obsessing with Story. One major problem with modern games is they design the story first then make gameplay. This is a major no no. Design the gameplay first then work up a story. Hence why Nintendo games are so good. They design a new gameplay mechanic then work on a story.

Innovation not gimmicks. Swords and werehogs and crap are not innovation. They're just gimmicks. Innovation is taking an existing formula and building on it to make a familar experience feel new. This is the hardest thing for devs to do. Too much change will alienate gamers (see Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts) and too little will make them bored. Finding this balance is the hardest thing to do in a long running series.

Don't worry about length: It's funny how we used to talk about progress in games as "Wow I got to level..." and now it's more like "I put ... hours into this game." In the past we were fine with games being short because they had higher replay value and because of this, this lead to year of Sega padding Sonic games with fluff and gimmicks no one liked. Wanding around doing fetch quests, replaying levels as other characters or stuff like the werehog that drug on forever. Colors from what I can tell isn't a long game but it has replay value, that's where it counts and that will keep it out of the used bin much longer.

I do agree with you though I didn't mine playing as the Werehog since I grew up playing beat em up games.

Most beat em up games I played are better than that.