BREAKING NEWS: Cavs fire Mike Brown

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#1 ASK_Story
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It was inevitable.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/05/24/cleveland-coach-mike-brown-fired/

Brown's agent, Warren LeGarie, confirmed to FanHouse that Brown has been fired after five seasons. The news was first reported by ESPN's Ric Bucher.

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Cavaliers' ownership and front office reportedly had a significant financial interest in deciding Brown's fate by midnight Sunday, as his contract had a clause in which all of his $4.5 million salary for next season would become guaranteed at that time. Yet because he was fired before the deadline, Brown will earn just half of the salary.

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#2 feryl06
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Not really breaking news considering everyone knew he was going to get fired before getting paid his starting salary. :) It was only a matter of when, not if.

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#3 wildcat2000
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Ya know this is really stupid. Just because they didnt win the championship doesnt mean the coach should be fired. They named him Coach of the Year last season. How can they one year later say you're not good enough so were firing you?

Thats like saying, hey great job on coaching the team man. You had the best record for 2 straight years....oh you didnt win the championship? Well forget you then, you're not welcome here anymore.

Its like WTF is that? Seriously...Whats the thought-process behind that kind of logic? Its the entire team's fault they lost. Not one single person.

Sometimes I really hate the NBA. Its so unbalanced and two-faced in alot of areas.

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#4 Jinroh_basic
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with Mike Brown gone, does it mean that the Cavs will do everything it can to make sure LBJ stay? i don't see how the management will let both of its aces go.

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#5 grifter_tm
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Ya know this is really stupid. Just because they didnt win the championship doesnt mean the coach should be fired. They named him Coach of the Year last season. How can they one year later say you're not good enough so were firing you?

Thats like saying, hey great job on coaching the team man. You had the best record for 2 straight years....oh you didnt win the championship? Well forget you then, you're not welcome here anymore.

Its like WTF is that? Seriously...Whats the thought-process behind that kind of logic? Its the entire team's fault they lost. Not one single person.

Sometimes I really hate the NBA. Its so unbalanced and two-faced in alot of areas.

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They're probably firing him coz' he couldn't get them to the finals in spite of getting a 60+ record. That's enough of a reason IMO. Maybe you should read this instead: http://www.fearthesword.com/2010/5/24/1484989/cavaliers-fire-mike-brown
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#6 ohjtbehaaave
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No surprise. He's an awful coach. Doc Rivers coached circles around him last round.
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#7 DJ_Magneto
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I actually thought that this was going to happen the day after they lost to Boston. You have to show LeBron that change is coming.
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#8 TaCoDuDe
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Yeah he's not a great coach at all.

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#9 Seabas989
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I'm not at all surprised by this. Even with a great regular season record, a coaches job isn't safe if he is a bust in the post season.

So who will the Cavs hire in order to keep Lebron in Cleveland?

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Ya know this is really stupid. Just because they didnt win the championship doesnt mean the coach should be fired. They named him Coach of the Year last season. How can they one year later say you're not good enough so were firing you?

Thats like saying, hey great job on coaching the team man. You had the best record for 2 straight years....oh you didnt win the championship? Well forget you then, you're not welcome here anymore.

Its like WTF is that? Seriously...Whats the thought-process behind that kind of logic? Its the entire team's fault they lost. Not one single person.

Sometimes I really hate the NBA. Its so unbalanced and two-faced in alot of areas.

wildcat2000

Winning in the regular season is totally meaningless. 50%+ of NBA teams make the playoffs. 16/30 so its not very special and rewarding him for being average is just dumb. Mike Brown is an idiot, he played Shaq too much and didnt play Hickson or Verajo enough which ended up slowing the tempo of the game which suits the Celtics. Mike Brown cannot beat good coaches and in the playoffs you eventually have to beat the good coaches which is something he could not do. He beat bums from Detroit, Washington and Atlanta. Any Cavs fan who wanted to keep Brown just does not know what a good team is.

As for coach of the year award........the coach before Brown that won it was Byron Scott and guess what he got fired too. Coach of the year is such a joke of an award and should never be taken seriously. Coach of the year award should be given to Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich every year.

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#11 SaintBlaze
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Despite the two 60+ win seasons, he's a mediocre coach. Good decision on firing him.

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#12 MURDA_B
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i dont see why they fired him its not his fault the players didnt show up for the playoffs....but i seen this coming and now lebron is definetly leaving miami here comes lebron.

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i dont see why they fired him its not his fault the players didnt show up for the playoffs....but i seen this coming and now lebron is definetly leaving miami here comes lebron.

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As others have said, Mike Brown has been outcoached the past couple of years in the playoffs, and it's clear that the Cavs organization didn't feel like Brown maxed out the talent of the team that he was given. Is it fair? Probably not, but he's not the first coach to go through such a fate, and he probably won't be the last.

Fact is that coaches are the easiest to get rid of in the sports world, so when things go wrong, they're often the first to go. The general manager's not going to fire himself for the personel moves he makes (although the owner can have a say in that), and the players make too much money to simply get rid of for nothing. If you feel like you have a team to win a Championship from a player standpoint and still don't get it done, someone's going to feel heat. Most coaches who have such teams are very aware of this, though.

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#14 TheAbstrakt
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good riddance. dude sucked.
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#15 wildcat2000
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As others have said, Mike Brown has been outcoached the past couple of years in the playoffs, and it's clear that the Cavs organization didn't feel like Brown maxed out the talent of the team that he was given. Is it fair? Probably not, but he's not the first coach to go through such a fate, and he probably won't be the last.

Fact is that coaches are the easiest to get rid of in the sports world, so when things go wrong, they're often the first to go.

Madmangamer364

Yeah like I said its the entire team's fault. Like mentioned before about Byron Scott, as soon as things go wrong with a team they automaticly blame the coaches...ya like the players not trying enough and missing shots have nothing to do with it :roll:

In that article it says there was tension in the locker-room and players were getting upset because of all the different rotations Brown kept making. Saying because Shaq was back after being out for so long it messed up the tempo.

So he was just supposed to not play Shaq anymore, one of the biggest trades they made specificly for the Playoffs? Ya that makes alot of sense. You didnt hear about any complaints in the first round vs Bulls when the entire team was playing great with each other, including Shaq. Who knows why the Cavs broke-down against the Celtics....but if your gonna blame someone, blame the whole team.

Yes I know having the best record doesnt matter in the Playoffs but just because you happen to get eliminated does not mean your coach should be fired. If that was the case teams would be changing coaches every year. look at Jerry Sloan? Made it to Finals twice and lost to the Lakers 3 years in a row....you think he deserves to be fired? No.

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Well it's widely-known that Mike Brown was somewhat of a really average coach, if not mediocre, in an excellent situation. He did a crappy job in the playoffs 2 years in a row now, he was bound to get the hook.

The NBA is a players' league, most coaches don't matter and are entirely interchangeable, you can count the great coaches still in service on one hand.

I don't like LeBron, but I'm pretty sure the Cavs would have been better if HE coached the team while playing. Wouldn't he have had more attention and impact than Brown in the locker room and on the bench? I think yes.

He wouldn't be the best player-coach, but he'd be better than Brown.

Bring back the player-coach, I say!

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#17 TaCoDuDe
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Whenever he gets into series against better coaches like Gundy or Rivers, he always looks overmatched. The other team is making adjustments over the course of a series, and he simply isnt. Hell, his strategy when things aren't going well tends to be "hand the ball to Lebron and clear out!". I could do that much.

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#18 rockguy92
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Saw that one coming.
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#19 ASK_Story
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Whenever he gets into series against better coaches like Gundy or Rivers, he always looks overmatched. The other team is making adjustments over the course of a series, and he simply isnt. Hell, his strategy when things aren't going well tends to be "hand the ball to Lebron and clear out!". I could do that much.

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On ESPN, they asked Magic Johnson why he got fired, a coach of the year and 60+ winning coach. Magic did point out how Brown didn't make good adjustments or questionable ones during important stretches of the game.
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#20 Madmangamer364
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[QUOTE="Madmangamer364"]

As others have said, Mike Brown has been outcoached the past couple of years in the playoffs, and it's clear that the Cavs organization didn't feel like Brown maxed out the talent of the team that he was given. Is it fair? Probably not, but he's not the first coach to go through such a fate, and he probably won't be the last.

Fact is that coaches are the easiest to get rid of in the sports world, so when things go wrong, they're often the first to go.

wildcat2000

Yeah like I said its the entire team's fault. Like mentioned before about Byron Scott, as soon as things go wrong with a team they automaticly blame the coaches...ya like the players not trying enough and missing shots have nothing to do with it :roll:

In that article it says there was tension in the locker-room and players were getting upset because of all the different rotations Brown kept making. Saying because Shaq was back after being out for so long it messed up the tempo.

So he was just supposed to not play Shaq anymore, one of the biggest trades they made specificly for the Playoffs? Ya that makes alot of sense. You didnt hear about any complaints in the first round vs Bulls when the entire team was playing great with each other, including Shaq. Who knows why the Cavs broke-down against the Celtics....but if your gonna blame someone, blame the whole team.

Yes I know having the best record doesnt matter in the Playoffs but just because you happen to get eliminated does not mean your coach should be fired. If that was the case teams would be changing coaches every year. look at Jerry Sloan? Made it to Finals twice and lost to the Lakers 3 years in a row....you think he deserves to be fired? No.

I never said that Mike Brown deserved to be fired, nor did I say that the rest of the team isn't at fault for not meeting expectations. I was just speaking of the nature of the sports world in general. Someone had to be the scapegoat for all of this, and unfortunately for Mike Brown, he was the easiest one to blame and get rid of from an organization perspective. No, Brown wasn't the one that was missing shots or the one allowing Rajon Rondo to do whatever he wants, but I don't think you'll run into anyone that would say his coaching was perfect or that his game-to-game adjustments were as great as they should have been. The team made moves like getting Shaq and Jamison in the hopes that Brown would be able to get the most out of them at the best times, and that didn't happen.

Different teams do different things, depending on personel and circumstances, so it's not the best comparison pairing up Mike Brown's stay in Cleveland to Jerry Sloan's tenure in Utah. The Jazz has seen what Sloan is capable of over the 20 years he's been there, and they probably know their team isn't going to be any better than they are at this given point. The Cavs, on the other hand, has arguably the best player in the game and only had Championship hopes in mind, and the fact that they didn't get a ring this year means that some changes were going to have to be made from somewhere, especially throwing considering the free-agency factor to the mix. There's a saying that goes "coaches are hired to get fired," and unless it's a hall of fame type coach or someone that manages to win a Championship with the given talent, ala Doc Rivers a couple of years ago, coaches are almost always on the hot seat.

Once again, is it fair? I don't think so, but it is what it is.

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#21 Fizzman
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The NBA is a post season sport, and winning 60+ games in the regular season is completely irrelevent if you exit early in the post season. Coaching is not required in the regular season because you play so many games against so many different offenses multiple times a week. Most coaches just go with the flow in the regular season. In the post season though you play the same team anywhere between 4-7 games and adjustments must be made after each win or loss. Mike Brown failed to adjust against the Celtics. This problem rears its ugly head when you face good teams, and Mike Brown never once proved he was capable of adjusting. This is good news for Cavs fans whether or not LBJ leaves because they can get a coach who doesnt blow at the playoffs and thus have a higher ceiling in the future. Although if LBJ leaves that ceiling probably will never be realized. Sorry Cleveland you are cursed to wander the earth without any Championships in the modern sports era.

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#22 wildcat2000
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[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]

[QUOTE="Madmangamer364"]

As others have said, Mike Brown has been outcoached the past couple of years in the playoffs, and it's clear that the Cavs organization didn't feel like Brown maxed out the talent of the team that he was given. Is it fair? Probably not, but he's not the first coach to go through such a fate, and he probably won't be the last.

Fact is that coaches are the easiest to get rid of in the sports world, so when things go wrong, they're often the first to go.

Madmangamer364

Yeah like I said its the entire team's fault. Like mentioned before about Byron Scott, as soon as things go wrong with a team they automaticly blame the coaches...ya like the players not trying enough and missing shots have nothing to do with it :roll:

In that article it says there was tension in the locker-room and players were getting upset because of all the different rotations Brown kept making. Saying because Shaq was back after being out for so long it messed up the tempo.

So he was just supposed to not play Shaq anymore, one of the biggest trades they made specificly for the Playoffs? Ya that makes alot of sense. You didnt hear about any complaints in the first round vs Bulls when the entire team was playing great with each other, including Shaq. Who knows why the Cavs broke-down against the Celtics....but if your gonna blame someone, blame the whole team.

Yes I know having the best record doesnt matter in the Playoffs but just because you happen to get eliminated does not mean your coach should be fired. If that was the case teams would be changing coaches every year. look at Jerry Sloan? Made it to Finals twice and lost to the Lakers 3 years in a row....you think he deserves to be fired? No.

I never said that Mike Brown deserved to be fired, nor did I say that the rest of the team isn't at fault for not meeting expectations. I was just speaking of the nature of the sports world in general. Someone had to be the scapegoat for all of this, and unfortunately for Mike Brown, he was the easiest one to blame and get rid of from an organization perspective. No, Brown wasn't the one that was missing shots or the one allowing Rajon Rondo to do whatever he wants, but I don't think you'll run into anyone that would say his coaching was perfect or that his game-to-game adjustments were as great as they should have been. The team made moves like getting Shaq and Jamison in the hopes that Brown would be able to get the most out of them at the best times, and that didn't happen.

Different teams do different things, depending on personel and circumstances, so it's not the best comparison pairing up Mike Brown's stay in Cleveland to Jerry Sloan's tenure in Utah. The Jazz has seen what Sloan is capable of over the 20 years he's been there, and they probably know their team isn't going to be any better than they are at this given point. The Cavs, on the other hand, has arguably the best player in the game and only had Championship hopes in mind, and the fact that they didn't get a ring this year means that some changes were going to have to be made from somewhere, especially throwing considering the free-agency factor to the mix. There's a saying that goes "coaches are hired to get fired," and unless it's a hall of fame type coach or someone that manages to win a Championship with the given talent, ala Doc Rivers a couple of years ago, coaches are almost always on the hot seat.

Once again, is it fair? I don't think so, but it is what it is.

Yeah I was agreeing with you when you said "Fact is that coaches are the easiest to get rid of in the sports world, so when things go wrong, they're often the first to go." I know you didnt say he deserved to be fired...I was speaking generally to everyone. Sorry for the confusion :)

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#23 King_James6
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I actually think this should have happended a looooong time ago.
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#24 Zombl337
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Why is everyone hating on Mike Brown?! I heard he did pretty good getting the team far in recent years....