Cam Newton best rookie season for a QB ever?

30 combinded TDs and 4331 combinded yards, is he the best rookie QB ever?

If he won some more games then yeah.

statistically though, no doubt.

No. The NFL is pass happy and with these rules Peyton would have done better. You have to take into account the rule changes.DarkOfKnight

30 combinded TDs and 4331 combinded yards, is he the best rookie QB ever?

FPSfan1985

[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"]No. The NFL is pass happy and with these rules Peyton would have done better. You have to take into account the rule changes.No_Hablo_Ingles

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"]No. The NFL is pass happy and with these rules Peyton would have done better. You have to take into account the rule changes.monkeytoes61

On the picks, my thought is that when you throw for that many yards you're bound to have a few. Marino and Favre threw more picks than anyone, but it was rarely held against them. 59.6 completion percentage? That's pretty good, and when you have that type of accuracy to work with it bodes well for the future. 3,700 yards passing is a sh*tton, especially for a rookie. I have to give him props for that (though I do think an asteriks is fair given the rules). I also don't know how his picks have come about, there are always some picks to be blamed on receivers. He's been sacked 32 times, you're bound to throw a few when you're under that pressure. Lastly, 82.3 rating and over seven yards per attempt, that's pretty good. I'd say he's had one of he best rookie seasons as a passer with an asteriks.

When you add in the run threat, though, he has to be pretty high for best rookie season for a QB all time. A 5.3 average and 4,300 all purpose yards is great, he's easily the best dual threat QB in the league yet.

Ben Roethlisberger went 13-0 as a starter during his rookie season. He eventually lost in the playoffs to the defending Super Bowl champions the New England Patriots. Not bad for a rookie.

Ben Roethlisberger went 13-0 as a starter during his rookie season. He eventually lost in the playoffs to the defending Super Bowl champions the New England Patriots. Not bad for a rookie.

LoserMike

Ben Roethlisberger went 13-0 as a starter during his rookie season. He eventually lost in the playoffs to the defending Super Bowl champions the New England Patriots. Not bad for a rookie.

LoserMike

[QUOTE="LoserMike"]

Ben Roethlisberger went 13-0 as a starter during his rookie season. He eventually lost in the playoffs to the defending Super Bowl champions the New England Patriots. Not bad for a rookie.

No_Hablo_Ingles

[QUOTE="LoserMike"]

Ben Roethlisberger went 13-0 as a starter during his rookie season. He eventually lost in the playoffs to the defending Super Bowl champions the New England Patriots. Not bad for a rookie.

sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="LoserMike"]

Ben Roethlisberger went 13-0 as a starter during his rookie season. He eventually lost in the playoffs to the defending Super Bowl champions the New England Patriots. Not bad for a rookie.

No_Hablo_Ingles

Anyone using the facts would

Ben: 8.3 yards a completion
Cam: 8.0 yards a completion

Ben: 63.7 percent passing
Cam: 60.1 percent passing

Ben: 20TD 13INT's
Cam: 20TD 16INT's

Ben: 93.2 QB rating
Cam: 85.3 QB rating

Ben: 41.1 percent of 1st downs came from passing
Cam: 33.6 percent of 1st downs came from passing

Let's not forget the most telling fact in all of this, while Cam has no pressure at all in the games because they're not a title contender Ben was put into the starting role of a Superbowl caliber team and didn't lose a single game in the regular season.

Even more impressive is that while Cam has been the first strong QB from the start and got all the reps Ben was the third string QB and never once had first reps until the week after he became the starter.

Cam's season is impressive but it doesn't hold a candle to Ben's

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="LoserMike"]

Ben Roethlisberger went 13-0 as a starter during his rookie season. He eventually lost in the playoffs to the defending Super Bowl champions the New England Patriots. Not bad for a rookie.

Jaysonguy

Anyone using the facts would

Ben: 8.3 yards a completion
Cam: 8.0 yards a completion

Ben: 63.7 percent passing
Cam: 60.1 percent passing

Ben: 20TD 13INT's
Cam: 20TD 16INT's

Ben: 93.2 QB rating
Cam: 85.3 QB rating

Ben: 41.1 percent of 1st downs came from passing
Cam: 33.6 percent of 1st downs came from passing

Let's not forget the most telling fact in all of this, while Cam has no pressure at all in the games because they're not a title contender Ben was put into the starting role of a Superbowl caliber team and didn't lose a single game in the regular season.

Even more impressive is that while Cam has been the first strong QB from the start and got all the reps Ben was the third string QB and never once had first reps until the week after he became the starter.

Cam's season is impressive but it doesn't hold a candle to Ben's

^You also have to compare the teams around them:

Big Ben was on a Super Bowl contender and had lots of talent helping him
Cam has Steve Smith and....?

First of all, let me say this- Do NOT cherrypick stats with me, which is significantly worse at the QB position. Also when using stats, check your math, there is no reason I should have to go back and correct you.

Ben: 8.3 yards a completion
Cam: 8.0 yards a completionJaysonguy

As far as INTs goes, he has a lower INT rate then Big Ben.

Why are you limiting first downs from passing only? Why are you eliminating nearly 700 rushing yards, more than 10 TDs, etc. from your stats.

Lets not forget that Big Ben came into the NFL with an amazing defense that allowed a league low 251 points, giving up an average of 15 PPG while big Ben was QB. Cam Newton on the other hand has a horrid defense giving up 24 ppg. Using advanced statistics, the Steelers defense scores a +5.6, while the Pather's defense scores a =3.8.

^You also have to compare the teams around them:

Big Ben was on a Super Bowl contender and had lots of talent helping him
Cam has Steve Smith and....?

JML897

Defense has an opposite effect on offensive production. If the Steelers defense allows less points, the QB would be relied on less, leading to a more run-focused game. If the Panthers defense is terrible, they're going to have to continually pass the ball. These leads me to the conclusion that Newton had to throw the ball a lot more often than Ben would have had to, so obviously he's going to get more passing yards, or should if he's better. If he had been picked by the Ravens, 49ers, or Steelers, and had the opportunity to grind out a game his passing yards would probably be 1000 yards less. As rookie QB's go, Ben definitely had him in passing, as for dual threat Cam might be the best.

^You also have to compare the teams around them:

Big Ben was on a Super Bowl contender and had lots of talent helping him
Cam has Steve Smith and....?

JML897

They were 6 - 10 the year before. The Steelers were merely above average in 2002 and 2003.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

^You also have to compare the teams around them:

Big Ben was on a Super Bowl contender and had lots of talent helping him
Cam has Steve Smith and....?

TheGrat1

They were 6 - 10 the year before. The Steelers were merely above average in 2002 and 2003.

This year the Pathers are a decent team. 5th in the NFL in scoring....11th in passing yards... 13th in passing TDs (20) and 1st in rushing TDs (25 )

One of the best I can recall. I'm curious if he'll be able to keep it up next season or if he'll take a step back

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]

[QUOTE="JML897"]

^You also have to compare the teams around them:

Big Ben was on a Super Bowl contender and had lots of talent helping him
Cam has Steve Smith and....?

No_Hablo_Ingles

They were 6 - 10 the year before. The Steelers were merely above average in 2002 and 2003.

This year the Pathers are a decent team. 5th in the NFL in scoring....11th in passing yards... 13th in passing TDs (20) and 1st in rushing TDs (25 )

I'm not talking about the Panthers. I was disputing his claim that Ben walked onto a SB contender.

One of the best I can recall. I'm curious if he'll be able to keep it up next season or if he'll take a step back

Jackboot343

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]

They were 6 - 10 the year before. The Steelers were merely above average in 2002 and 2003.

TheGrat1

This year the Pathers are a decent team. 5th in the NFL in scoring....11th in passing yards... 13th in passing TDs (20) and 1st in rushing TDs (25 )

I'm not talking about the Panthers. I was disputing his claim that Ben walked onto a SB contender.

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] and the Pathers were a 2 win team... 32nd in points scored... 32nd in passing yards.... 32nd in passing TDs (9)... and 31st in rushing TDs.(7)

This year the Pathers are a decent team. 5th in the NFL in scoring....11th in passing yards... 13th in passing TDs (20) and 1st in rushing TDs (25 )

No_Hablo_Ingles

I'm not talking about the Panthers. I was disputing his claim that Ben walked onto a SB contender.

Definitely one of the best rookie seasons for a QB ever.

I swore this guy was going to be another JaMarcus Russell but he took my theory and stomped on it. He's legit. He's put in the work necessary to make the switch to the pros and he had a helluva season because of it. Props to Cam.

Definitely one of the best rookie seasons for a QB ever.

I swore this guy was going to be another JaMarcus Russell but he took my theory and stomped on it. He's legit. He's put in the work necessary to make the switch to the pros and he had a helluva season because of it. Props to Cam.

RexHoles

To me personally, if he didn't throw all those picks then he would be the best rookie QB. I see him having a great season next year if he can just think a bit more before he throws the ball.