Cavs vs Lakers

The Cavs beat the Lakers again. 2-0 for the season.

damn straight...people need to start believing, of all the elites. Cleveland has the best record against top 10 teams.

Lucky win.-Halftime-

damn straight...people need to start believing, of all the elites. Cleveland has the best record against top 10 teams.

Innovazero2000

Lucky win.-Halftime-

:lol:

So were all of New Jersey's losses ;)

Statement win for the Cavs. Championship contenders right here.

I have been hyping the Cavs a championship team since the beginning of the season when everyone was doubting. "Teh Shaq was a mistakeUgalde-

Cavs dominated the first game. No denying it. Tonight it took two misses from an 86 percent free throw shooter and a TERRIBLE call on a flop by Varejao when LeBron was at the free throw line when the game was 90-87. -Halftime-

So? He choked. And did you not see Ron Artest hook his arm? Even if Derek Fisher didn't foul him its undeniable that Ron Artest fouled him.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]Cavs dominated the first game. No denying it. Tonight it took two misses from an 86 percent free throw shooter and a TERRIBLE call on a flop by Varejao when LeBron was at the free throw line when the game was 90-87. bobcheeseball

So? He choked. And did you not see Ron Artest hook his arm? Even if Derek Fisher didn't foul him its undeniable that Ron Artest fouled him.

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]Cavs dominated the first game. No denying it. Tonight it took two misses from an 86 percent free throw shooter and a TERRIBLE call on a flop by Varejao when LeBron was at the free throw line when the game was 90-87. -Halftime-

So? He choked. And did you not see Ron Artest hook his arm? Even if Derek Fisher didn't foul him its undeniable that Ron Artest fouled him.

However if Pau Gasol was hooked and fouled like that with a no call on a rebound on the exact same scenario I'm fairly sure you would be pretty ticked off. I dont think by any means you can say the win was "luck".

Also as clutch as Kobe is, who is the say the Lakers would have won with a 3 point defecit?

[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]I have been hyping the Cavs a championship team since the beginning of the season when everyone was doubting. "Teh Shaq was a mistakeandyboiii

[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]I have been hyping the Cavs a championship team since the beginning of the season when everyone was doubting. "Teh Shaq was a mistakeandyboiii

It's so hard to root for the Lakers sometimes. Also don't get to hyped for the Cavs just yet, They had the best record in the NBA last year as well. None of this matters if you fail in the playoffs, I'd take a 50 win season and a title over a 60 win season and no title anyday!MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]It's so hard to root for the Lakers sometimes. Also don't get to hyped for the Cavs just yet, They had the best record in the NBA last year as well. None of this matters if you fail in the playoffs, I'd take a 50 win season and a title over a 60 win season and no title anyday!II-FBIsniper-II

Nah, don't mean anything. Jazz beat the Spurs 4 times this year, does that mean anything? Jazz aren't even in the Playoffs right now, although they can still make it in.ASK_Story

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Nah, don't mean anything. Jazz beat the Spurs 4 times this year, does that mean anything? Jazz aren't even in the Playoffs right now, although they can still make it in.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Nah, don't mean anything. Jazz beat the Spurs 4 times this year, does that mean anything? Jazz aren't even in the Playoffs right now, although they can still make it in.jmdude

This was a close game but lakers still lost :( What really pissed me off was LeBJ rapping during the game and IMO that's very immature and I wished Ron Ron would have knocked him out because of that.

This was a close game but lakers still lost :( What really pissed me off was LeBJ rapping during the game and IMO that's very immature and I wished Ron Ron would have knocked him out because of that.Solid_Link22

This was a close game but lakers still lost :( What really pissed me off was LeBJ rapping during the game and IMO that's very immature and I wished Ron Ron would have knocked him out because of that.

Solid_Link22

This was a close game but lakers still lost :( What really pissed me off was LeBJ rapping during the game and IMO that's very immature and I wished Ron Ron would have knocked him out because of that.

All I am saying is that I think thathe went a little over board because the game was not over yet. I would expect he would act mature for 48 minutes of basketball but what can I expect from the guy who dances and takes pictures of himself wearing party hats in themiddle of games.

All I am saying is that I think thathe went a little over board because the game was not over yet. I would expect he would act mature for 48 minutes of basketball but what can I expect from the guy who dances and takes pictures of himself wearing party hats in themiddle of games.

Solid_Link22

Lucky win.-Halftime-

All I am saying is that I think thathe went a little over board because the game was not over yet. I would expect he would act mature for 48 minutes of basketball but what can I expect from the guy who dances and takes pictures of himself wearing party hats in themiddle of games.

Solid_Link22

All I am saying is that I think thathe went a little over board because the game was not over yet. I would expect he would act mature for 48 minutes of basketball but what can I expect from the guy who dances and takes pictures of himself wearing party hats in themiddle of games.

Solid_Link22

So which part of Kobe throwing his teammates -- namely Andrew Bynum -- under the bus and wanting to leave town to go to the Bulls was mature? Which part of Kobe yelling at his teammates on the court is mature? LeBron and Kobe are different players. I know that Kobe wants to win more than LeBron does...he lets that go to his head. Bron is just a relaxed dude. I'd rather have him rapping than getting on that weasel face and chewing out his teammates like Kobe does during crunch time.

I just don't understand how Lakers fans never remember when Kobe chokes. Nobody remembers Kobe and Shaq missing before Robert Horry saving the dynasty? Nobody remembers Fisher hitting with .3 on the clock? Nobody remembers last year in the Finals when Kobe tossed up a dozen errant shots hoping to "hit the dagger" to end the Magic? He isn't as clutch and godly as Lakers fans preach. I'll admit that I'm a diehard LeBron follower, but what I just said is true. Kobe couldn't win without an all-star cast and he showed that. Now, his team is very, very capable without him.

edit: I'm not trying to make the claim that Kobe doesn't hit big shots -- he does. I'm not taking that away from him. But other players on his team have been able to and did make clutch shots, as well and they get far less recognition for doing so.

[QUOTE="Solid_Link22"]

All I am saying is that I think thathe went a little over board because the game was not over yet. I would expect he would act mature for 48 minutes of basketball but what can I expect from the guy who dances and takes pictures of himself wearing party hats in themiddle of games.

dodgerblue13

So which part of Kobe throwing his teammates -- namely Andrew Bynum -- under the bus and wanting to leave town to go to the Bulls was mature? Which part of Kobe yelling at his teammates on the court is mature? LeBron and Kobe are different players. I know that Kobe wants to win more than LeBron does...he lets that go to his head. Bron is just a relaxed dude. I'd rather have him rapping than getting on that weasel face and chewing out his teammates like Kobe does during crunch time.

I just don't understand how Lakers fans never remember when Kobe chokes. Nobody remembers Kobe and Shaq missing before Robert Horry saving the dynasty? Nobody remembers Fisher hitting with .3 on the clock? Nobody remembers last year in the Finals when Kobe tossed up a dozen errant shots hoping to "hit the dagger" to end the Magic? He isn't as clutch and godly as Lakers fans preach. I'll admit that I'm a diehard LeBron follower, but what I just said is true. Kobe couldn't win without an all-star cast and he showed that. Now, his team is very, very capable without him.

edit: I'm not trying to make the claim that Kobe doesn't hit big shots -- he does. I'm not taking that away from him. But other players on his team have been able to and did make clutch shots, as well and they get far less recognition for doing so.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]"Kobe couldn't win without an all star cast" The same could be said for Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Bill Russell, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, Isiah Thomas, and COUNTLESS others in NBA history. No one man carries his team to a championship. And I'd rather have a SERIOUS player like Kobe was last year in the playoffs when it matters than someone that doesn't say a word. He yells to make sure his teammates are accountable when they make a mistake. That's part of being a leader. Being soft on your teammates won't get you anywhere.dodgerblue13

I see what you are saying. I don't think Kobe carried the team to a three peat. I don't think(As many Kobe detractors do) that it was ALL Shaq either. I've stated this before, but I don't think the Lakers three peat at all without both Shaq & Kobe. If you take either one away from the earlier teams, the Lakers don't three peat. Period. The two compliment their games so well. They're not champions without both and the supporting cast and the coach. Now, I know Kobe didn't do it all last year, either. Lamar, Pau, Fish, Ariza, Shannon Brown, everyone did their work. But at the same time, I disagree that Kobe doesn't make his teammates better. He averaged a solid 7 assists against Orlando in the Finals last season. I also hear all the time, Kobe's Laker teammates saying how "easy" Kobe makes their job because of the extra attention he receives. It's obvious he's helping make his teammates better. LeBron has his hands on the ball the majority of the time in Mike Brown's offense. The triangle offense the Lakers run is predicated on movement. No one player has the ball more than the other. Thats the reason that you see even the point guards on the Lakers not having huge assist numbers, and that's fine. No player, even Kobe, is going to average ridiculous assist numbers on a team that runs a triangle offense.-Halftime-

Theres no need to argue. Obviously no single player can carry a team to a championship, but lets be realistic....the Lakers probaly would not have won last year if they didnt have Kobe. No team can win, despite how good everyone else works, without their best player.

And to -Halftime-, you just have to give credit where its due. I like the Lakers as much as anyone else but I also like other teams too including the Cavs. It wasnot a "lucky win". The Cavs just played better in te 4th quarter and the Lakers, including Kobe, missed shots they usually make. Its just that simple but its not the end of the world, everyone misses shot sometimes.

The Lakers beat the Cavs twice last season and now the Cavs beat the Lakers twice this season, its all good. Theyre the two best teams in the NBA right now imo and Id love if they met in the Finals.

Personally I'm disgusted at the Lakers interior defense against the Cav's! I know Lebron is a locomotive, strong, quick, powerful and all that, but to see 7 footers or close to it (Gasoft, Bynum, and Odom) just stand there with their hands up or making feeble attempts to block Lebrons shot is annoying to say the least. Man-up, take a charge, wrap him up, knock him on his ***or something! Geez!, I hate soft play!

As for the game over-all, I think it is a little more significant than others (hopefully I'm wrong). But usually when a good team gets beat on their home court the losing team gets fired up to put their best effort into winning the next meeting. The Lakers came out like that (especially Kobe) but he and the team faltered and couldn't get it done. I could see the frustration on some of the Lakers faces, including Phil after the game. I think they really wanted this game to send a message but still got beat.

Gotta give it to Lebron, his outside shot and defense is better. Those are the main things he needed to do for me to catch or surpass Kobe as a player. Now Lebron has to close the deal and win some rings. As I said in the past I don't look at this as a slight against Kobe because he is in his 14th season and is playing hurt. But Lebron does deserve credit for his improvements.

Lastly, God, PLEASE!!! don't let Shaq win another ring!! I just couldn't take it! And PLEASE let the Lakers beat Portland just once this century! Geez, what's up with that???! : )

Well, Artest helps my case by saying: the Cavs are "nothing" without LeBron.dodgerblue13

Well, Artest helps my case by saying: the Cavs are "nothing" without LeBron.dodgerblue13