Daisuke Matsuzaka is overrated

He walks way too many batters, he can't command the strike zone, only pitches about 5 innings on average because he has about 120 pitches by then. Seriously why do people think he is good? :?

How he got 18 wins last year, I will never know. But out of those 18 wins, how many were actually dominant performances? You know, the kind of performances they are paying him to have? Where are they? Very few and VERY far between.

Daisuke = OVERRATED

So if you actually think this guy is good, please explain why.

WBC mvp....

of course he's good. You're searching on this one. He does walk a lot of people, but that just makes his record and more importantly his ERA (which was a 2.90 in the best hitting park in the AL) that much more impressive. The guy is a perenial all star every year. 18-3 with a 2.90 era in the AL east is not just good, it's great, no matter how you want to twist it. You obviously have something against this guy to even make a post like this. But hey i guess in the end it's your opinion

WBC mvp....

rsoxguy12

of course he's good. You're searching on this one. He does walk a lot of people, but that just makes his record and more importantly his ERA (which was a 2.90 in the best hitting park in the AL) that much more impressive. The guy is a perenial all star every year. 18-3 with a 2.90 era in the AL east is not just good, it's great, no matter how you want to twist it. You obviously have something against this guy to even make a post like this. But hey i guess in the end it's your opinion

sixringz1

PS I got to leave in a few minutes, so I won't be here to debate with everyone.

I'll be back later tonight though ;)

[QUOTE="sixringz1"]

of course he's good. You're searching on this one. He does walk a lot of people, but that just makes his record and more importantly his ERA (which was a 2.90 in the best hitting park in the AL) that much more impressive. The guy is a perenial all star every year. 18-3 with a 2.90 era in the AL east is not just good, it's great, no matter how you want to twist it. You obviously have something against this guy to even make a post like this. But hey i guess in the end it's your opinion

_Brennan_

PS I got to leave in a few minutes, so I won't be here to debate with everyone.

I'll be back later tonight though ;)

Hes incredible, he just has a style that americans aren't used to. He's not the most economical, but in Japan it didnt matter, he could pitch 150-200 pitch games. He didnt let a runner score from third once last season, and only a few cases from runners on second. His era and record speak for themselves. Granted he wouldn't be useful to a team with a weak pen, but it clearly wasnt a problem in boston

He's among the top 10 pitchers in the AL. Unless there's some Boston fanboy out there claiming "ZOMG, Matsuzaka is da bestest in the world!", I wouldn't call him overrated.I'd rather have 5 innings of 3.50 ERA pitching than I would 7 innings of 4.00.

nah hes good

yes he walks everybody but other than that he puts up good numbers and wins games

He might be overrated, but I'd love to have him pitching for my team. If he walked less people he'd have the potential to be an ace.

He's a good pitcher. He's a top 10 pitcher in AL and could improve this year again. Very, very good 3rd pitcher IMO.

...that has good hitters that save him. SwampKitten

Huh? You say that about pitchers who win games despite having a high ERA. You don't say that about a pitcher who's coming off a season in which he had the AL's 3rd lowest ERA.

[QUOTE="SwampKitten"]...that has good hitters that save him. Oleg_Huzwog

Huh? You say that about pitchers who win games despite having a high ERA. You don't say that about a pitcher who's coming off a season in which he had the AL's 3rd lowest ERA.

ive only watched him pitch a few times but his stuff was deadly.

[QUOTE="SwampKitten"]...that has good hitters that save him. Oleg_Huzwog

Huh? You say that about pitchers who win games despite having a high ERA. You don't say that about a pitcher who's coming off a season in which he had the AL's 3rd lowest ERA.

Very true...

Ok so, I think it's safe to say that most think he is a pretty good pitcher, but we can all agree that he does walk too many people, and he rarely goes deep into games.

He doesn't suck, no question, I just think he's overrated and not as good as what they're paying him to be. If he cuts down on walks and can go deeper into games consistently, then I couldn't say a bad thing about him. :)

For a #3 stater, I'd say he's pretty damn good. Not awesome, but pretty damn good. He is also incredible at pitching with the bases loaded, though admittedly that does happen a bit too often. If he can cut down on the walks he'll be just that much better.Cube_of_MooN

He needs to cut down on the walks, but other than that, he gets wins and high strikeout numbers.

How is he overrated? He wins games. CleanPlayer

Well, if wins was all he had, he would be overrated.

How is he overrated? He wins games. CleanPlayer

constantly walking guys and pitching 5 innings most of the time is what he does best. He does just enough to qualify for a win, and rarely ever pitches deep into games.

[QUOTE="sixringz1"]

of course he's good. You're searching on this one. He does walk a lot of people, but that just makes his record and more importantly his ERA (which was a 2.90 in the best hitting park in the AL) that much more impressive. The guy is a perenial all star every year. 18-3 with a 2.90 era in the AL east is not just good, it's great, no matter how you want to twist it. You obviously have something against this guy to even make a post like this. But hey i guess in the end it's your opinion

PS I got to leave in a few minutes, so I won't be here to debate with everyone.

I'll be back later tonight though ;)