Game 1 Beckett Gem

4 Hit's 0 Walk's 0 Run's 8 K's 9 Innings

What a Gem of a game!

As an angels fan it was hard to watch. Once we fell behind we had a very small shot. If we don't take game 2, this will be over in 3.Doomtime

Over in game 4 probably but I'll hope for 3.

Game 2 will be a good one, we need to see what Matsuzaka we get, the shut down pitcher or the choker.Just_Osmo

Matsuzaka is solid until the 4th inning. After that, he just can't seem to locate pitches.

Hopefully the Angels show up to play Game 2. I've never seen a team take that bad of an approach against Beckett.dru26

Itw as like 90% first pitch strikes and 75% of them just took it.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]Game 2 will be a good one, we need to see what Matsuzaka we get, the shut down pitcher or the choker.dkhw

Matsuzaka is solid until the 4th inning. After that, he just can't seem to locate pitches.

Last time out he went 7 innings and was solid. He's always been a big game pitcher I think he will be solidin fridays game.

[QUOTE="dru26"]Hopefully the Angels show up to play Game 2. I've never seen a team take that bad of an approach against Beckett.Just_Osmo

Itw as like 90% first pitch strikes and 75% of them just took it.

Yep. Angels just saw a great pitching. Nothing the offense could have done.

Helps for the Red Sox pitchers, that Vlad isnt 100% (but is DHing) and Mathews is out.

Maybe you guys should root for DiceK to pitch bad in this series and probaly still win the series, then he will pitch great in the next round(maybe against the yankees).

Helps for the Red Sox pitchers, that Vlad isnt 100% (but is DHing) and Mathews is out.

Maybe you guys should root for DiceK to pitch bad in this series and probaly still win the series, then he will pitch great in the next round(maybe against the yankees).

mrgab

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

Ngamer05

Exactly.

[QUOTE="Ngamer05"]

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

mrgab

Exactly.

It did not matter, those 2 players wouldn't have effected that game, beckett was on point. It might matter int he next game.

[QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Ngamer05"]

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

Just_Osmo

Exactly.

It did not matter, those 2 players wouldn't have effected that game, beckett was on point. It might matter int he next game.

And you know this how?

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Ngamer05"]

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

mrgab

Exactly.

It did not matter, those 2 players wouldn't have effected that game, beckett was on point. It might matter int he next game.

And you know this how?

Beckett was on point he pitched a gem of a game why do people have to always use the "but..." line. The game was a blow out and 1 bat wouldnt have made a difference since the rest of the line up only hit the ball 4 times.

[QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Ngamer05"]

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

Just_Osmo

Exactly.

It did not matter, those 2 players wouldn't have effected that game, beckett was on point. It might matter int he next game.

And you know this how?

Beckett was on point he pitched a gem of a game why do people have to always use the "but..." line. The game was a blow out and 1 bat wouldnt have made a difference since the rest of the line up only hit the ball 4 times.

4-0 is a blowout?Its a domino effect, one or two or three bats effect the rest. Look at the red sox for a while there, Manny was out and they didnt look the same during the regular season.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Ngamer05"]

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

mrgab

Exactly.

It did not matter, those 2 players wouldn't have effected that game, beckett was on point. It might matter int he next game.

And you know this how?

Beckett was on point he pitched a gem of a game why do people have to always use the "but..." line. The game was a blow out and 1 bat wouldnt have made a difference since the rest of the line up only hit the ball 4 times.

4-0 is a blowout?Its a domino effect, one or two or three bats effect the rest. Look at the red sox for a while there, Manny was out and they didnt look the same during the regular season.

The lineup was good wihtout Manny. Ellsbury was more than a replacement for Manny.

[QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Ngamer05"]

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

dkhw

Exactly.

It did not matter, those 2 players wouldn't have effected that game, beckett was on point. It might matter int he next game.

And you know this how?

Beckett was on point he pitched a gem of a game why do people have to always use the "but..." line. The game was a blow out and 1 bat wouldnt have made a difference since the rest of the line up only hit the ball 4 times.

4-0 is a blowout?Its a domino effect, one or two or three bats effect the rest. Look at the red sox for a while there, Manny was out and they didnt look the same during the regular season.

The lineup was good wihtout Manny. Ellsbury was more than a replacement for Manny.

Yah, um do you watch the games or just say things your hear. No one even noticed manny was gone for that month. Ellsury was batting around 360 for his time replacing manny, I acually liked him better then Manny. Better Defence, just as much offence minus the power, HUGE speed. He is going to be our lead off hitter next year.

[QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Ngamer05"]

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

Just_Osmo

Exactly.

It did not matter, those 2 players wouldn't have effected that game, beckett was on point. It might matter int he next game.

And you know this how?

Beckett was on point he pitched a gem of a game why do people have to always use the "but..." line. The game was a blow out and 1 bat wouldnt have made a difference since the rest of the line up only hit the ball 4 times.

4-0 is a blowout?Its a domino effect, one or two or three bats effect the rest. Look at the red sox for a while there, Manny was out and they didnt look the same during the regular season.

The lineup was good wihtout Manny. Ellsbury was more than a replacement for Manny.

Yah, um do you watch the games or just say things your hear. No one even noticed manny was gone for that month. Ellsury was batting around 360 for his time replacing manny, I acually liked him better then Manny. Better Defence, just as much offence minus the power, HUGE speed. He is going to be our lead off hitter next year.

Even on espn they mentioned how the red sox werent the same. They even lost ground in the standings, so what are you watching? Whatever guy, injuries to key players do make huge differences in games, itsa fact. Whether the red sox would had won or lost that game with those angels in the game and healthy doesnt matter now as the game is over.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Ngamer05"]

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

mrgab

Exactly.

It did not matter, those 2 players wouldn't have effected that game, beckett was on point. It might matter int he next game.

And you know this how?

Beckett was on point he pitched a gem of a game why do people have to always use the "but..." line. The game was a blow out and 1 bat wouldnt have made a difference since the rest of the line up only hit the ball 4 times.

4-0 is a blowout?Its a domino effect, one or two or three bats effect the rest. Look at the red sox for a while there, Manny was out and they didnt look the same during the regular season.

The lineup was good wihtout Manny. Ellsbury was more than a replacement for Manny.

Yah, um do you watch the games or just say things your hear. No one even noticed manny was gone for that month. Ellsury was batting around 360 for his time replacing manny, I acually liked him better then Manny. Better Defence, just as much offence minus the power, HUGE speed. He is going to be our lead off hitter next year.

Even on espn they mentioned how the red sox werent the same. They even lost ground in the standings, so what are you watching? Whatever guy, injuries to key players do make huge differences in games, itsa fact. Whether the red sox would had won or lost that game with those angels in the game and healthy doesnt matter now as the game is over.

Ok, since you speak withotu stats, here are the numbers.

July 28th-Aug 28th w/Manny: 16-12 (64-40/80-52)

Aug 28th-Sept 25th w/o Manny 13-10 (80-52/93/64)

Spet 25th-Sept 31st w/Manny for 3-2 AB's 3-2 (93-64/95-66)

As you can see there is no real difference in the same span of time (28 games vs 28 games) if you add in the 5 games when manny was only AB 2-3 times per game in which Ellsbury took over the record is IDENTICAL 16-12 and 16-12. Manny made no real difference in the 28 games he was absent/not fully playing. The reason ground was loss was not due to games lost w/o manny, it was due to the yankees playing excellent baseball.

Don't just spurt out stuff TV tells you if you don't acually know the facts. There they are clear as day. IDENTICAL RECORDS for the 28 Games we had manny prior to him leaving and 28 Games after he was on the DL.

Don't just spurt out stuff TV tells you if you don't acually know the facts. There they are clear as day. IDENTICAL RECORDS for the 28 Games we had manny prior to him leaving and 28 Games after he was on the DL.

Just_Osmo

You are still not seeing the entire picture? Injured stars, do make a big difference in their teams games, regardless of who is pitching. Take out thoseplayers and it effects not just the numbers that player produces in the game, but the players around him as well. You're just disagreeing with it all because its the Red Sox, your team. we get it.Pretend it was the Indians best players hurt, and the Yankees were winning, you'd agree those injuries were part of the reason.

Anyhow, move on to game 2. Dice K vs Escobar. Which Dice K shows up? Can the angels rebound?

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Don't just spurt out stuff TV tells you if you don't acually know the facts. There they are clear as day. IDENTICAL RECORDS for the 28 Games we had manny prior to him leaving and 28 Games after he was on the DL.

mrgab

You are still not seeing the entire picture? Injured stars, do make a big difference in their teams games, regardless of who is pitching. Take out thoseplayers and it effects not just the numbers that player produces in the game, but the players around him as well. You're just disagreeing with it all because its the Red Sox, your team. we get it.Pretend it was the Indians best players hurt, and the Yankees were winning, you'd agree those injuries were part of the reason.

Anyhow, move on to game 2. Dice K vs Escobar. Which Dice K shows up? Can the angels rebound?

Your ignoring the fact that the stats show it had NO EFFECT. Sure 99% of the time it will effect a team but in this case when the player taking that Star's place hits .360ish and is amazing it really has no effect. Especially when during Mannys DL we had Drew get hot. Manny's absence had little to no effect on the end of the season, sure it's nice to have him back he's one of the best players in the game but it really had no effect on the sox winning or lossing games ins eptember.

[QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Don't just spurt out stuff TV tells you if you don't acually know the facts. There they are clear as day. IDENTICAL RECORDS for the 28 Games we had manny prior to him leaving and 28 Games after he was on the DL.

Just_Osmo

You are still not seeing the entire picture? Injured stars, do make a big difference in their teams games, regardless of who is pitching. Take out thoseplayers and it effects not just the numbers that player produces in the game, but the players around him as well. You're just disagreeing with it all because its the Red Sox, your team. we get it.Pretend it was the Indians best players hurt, and the Yankees were winning, you'd agree those injuries were part of the reason.

Anyhow, move on to game 2. Dice K vs Escobar. Which Dice K shows up? Can the angels rebound?

Your ignoring the fact that the stats show it had NO EFFECT. Sure 99% of the time it will effect a team but in this case when the player taking that Star's place hits .360ish and is amazing it really has no effect. Especially when during Mannys DL we had Drew get hot. Manny's absence had little to no effect on the end of the season, sure it's nice to have him back he's one of the best players in the game but it really had no effect on the sox winning or lossing games ins eptember.

There you finally admit it, 99% of the time. Which means key injuries due effect a team just as it might had effected the Angels. Good, debate over. Like I said, next game.

Do the Angels have a chance? I see it as a good low scoring game, 2 to 1 final type, both pitchers going 7+ innings.

Matsuzaka has a history of being a big game pitcher, I think he will show up and be very effective for 7. With Okajima or Gagne then Papelbon taking the 8th and 9th to get a win 7-3.Just_Osmo

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Don't just spurt out stuff TV tells you if you don't acually know the facts. There they are clear as day. IDENTICAL RECORDS for the 28 Games we had manny prior to him leaving and 28 Games after he was on the DL.

mrgab

You are still not seeing the entire picture? Injured stars, do make a big difference in their teams games, regardless of who is pitching. Take out thoseplayers and it effects not just the numbers that player produces in the game, but the players around him as well. You're just disagreeing with it all because its the Red Sox, your team. we get it.Pretend it was the Indians best players hurt, and the Yankees were winning, you'd agree those injuries were part of the reason.

Anyhow, move on to game 2. Dice K vs Escobar. Which Dice K shows up? Can the angels rebound?

Your ignoring the fact that the stats show it had NO EFFECT. Sure 99% of the time it will effect a team but in this case when the player taking that Star's place hits .360ish and is amazing it really has no effect. Especially when during Mannys DL we had Drew get hot. Manny's absence had little to no effect on the end of the season, sure it's nice to have him back he's one of the best players in the game but it really had no effect on the sox winning or lossing games ins eptember.

There you finally admit it, 99% of the time. Which means key injuries due effect a team just as it might had effected the Angels. Good, debate over. Like I said, next game.

Do the Angels have a chance? I see it as a good low scoring game, 2 to 1 final type, both pitchers going 7+ innings.

Like I said:

Matsuzaka has a history of being a big game pitcher, I think he will show up and be very effective for 7. With Okajima or Gagne then Papelbon taking the 8th and 9th to get a win 7-3.Just_Osmo

I think it will be a 4-3 Game (sox winning) into the 6th and opening it up late in the game when Escobar is taken out.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

Don't just spurt out stuff TV tells you if you don't acually know the facts. There they are clear as day. IDENTICAL RECORDS for the 28 Games we had manny prior to him leaving and 28 Games after he was on the DL.

mrgab

You are still not seeing the entire picture? Injured stars, do make a big difference in their teams games, regardless of who is pitching. Take out thoseplayers and it effects not just the numbers that player produces in the game, but the players around him as well. You're just disagreeing with it all because its the Red Sox, your team. we get it.Pretend it was the Indians best players hurt, and the Yankees were winning, you'd agree those injuries were part of the reason.

Anyhow, move on to game 2. Dice K vs Escobar. Which Dice K shows up? Can the angels rebound?

Your ignoring the fact that the stats show it had NO EFFECT. Sure 99% of the time it will effect a team but in this case when the player taking that Star's place hits .360ish and is amazing it really has no effect. Especially when during Mannys DL we had Drew get hot. Manny's absence had little to no effect on the end of the season, sure it's nice to have him back he's one of the best players in the game but it really had no effect on the sox winning or lossing games ins eptember.

There you finally admit it, 99% of the time. Which means key injuries due effect a team just as it might had effected the Angels. Good, debate over. Like I said, next game.

Do the Angels have a chance? I see it as a good low scoring game, 2 to 1 final type, both pitchers going 7+ innings.

Seriously, you saying that one or two bats might have made a difference is like spitting on Beckett's performance. It didn'tmatter if it was Hank Aaron thatwas sidelined withthe injury.The bottomline is that Beckett played a great game!mrvic87

hes right though, beckett pitched great, but its not just one or two abats, it changed the players around him. lets for the rockies, yesterdays game, they dont have matsui at leadoff driving in 5, and scoring 2. maybe the rockies dont explode, maybe his replacement doesnt do the same. maybe holliday doesnt come up withwith his rbi chances as well.

[QUOTE="dkhw"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="mrgab"][QUOTE="Ngamer05"]

Beckett was impressive no doubt, but it's kind of easy to do when there's no GMJ or Rivera in the lineup. And it just goes to show you that the Angels still need that necessary bat to protect Vlad because old man Anderson is not the answer.

Just_Osmo

Exactly.

It did not matter, those 2 players wouldn't have effected that game, beckett was on point. It might matter int he next game.

And you know this how?

Beckett was on point he pitched a gem of a game why do people have to always use the "but..." line. The game was a blow out and 1 bat wouldnt have made a difference since the rest of the line up only hit the ball 4 times.

4-0 is a blowout?Its a domino effect, one or two or three bats effect the rest. Look at the red sox for a while there, Manny was out and they didnt look the same during the regular season.

The lineup was good wihtout Manny. Ellsbury was more than a replacement for Manny.

Yah, um do you watch the games or just say things your hear. No one even noticed manny was gone for that month. Ellsury was batting around 360 for his time replacing manny, I acually liked him better then Manny. Better Defence, just as much offence minus the power, HUGE speed. He is going to be our lead off hitter next year.

Huh? Why are you taking this out on me when I actually supported what you said?

As an angels fan it was hard to watch. Once we fell behind we had a very small shot. If we don't take game 2, this will be over in 3.Doomtime

Lackey isn't good at Fenway and Beckett is a beast. They'll easily take tonight's game against Dice-K though, and hopefully the series after that.UssjTrunks

Curt Schilling is an absolute monster in the playoffs. I doubt the Angels will do well solving him.

Lackey isn't good at Fenway and Beckett is a beast. They'll easily take tonight's game against Dice-K though, and hopefully the series after that.UssjTrunks

Come again? Seems they didn't "easily" take the game tonight. 6-3 Sox.

[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]Lackey isn't good at Fenway and Beckett is a beast. They'll easily take tonight's game against Dice-K though, and hopefully the series after that.Just_Osmo

Come again? Seems they didn't "easily" take the game tonight. 6-3 Sox.