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#1 geaux321
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Most of the Heisman candidates were playing in rivalry games this weekend, here's how they fared:

Tim Tebow - 221 yds passing, 3 TD's, 90 yds rushing, 2 TD's
Colt McCoy - 304 yds passing, 4 TD's, 175 yds rushing, 1 TD
Mark Ingram - 16 carries, 30 yards, 3 catches, 21 yards
Toby Gerhart - 29 carries, 205 yards, 3 TD's, 1 TD pass

Looks like Colt took the lead with Ingram not doing anything this weekend. I believe if Stanford had won the Pac-10 you would hear more support for Gerhart, but since he doesn't play for a big school like the other three he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.

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#2 GamerForca
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Imo, Gerhart should win the Heisman without a doubt, especially with Ingram not doing so well against AU. I think CJ Spiller should be in the discussion as well, but Gerhart definitely looks like the best player in the nation to me.
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Gerhart deserves it. I've been watching Stanford all year, and he literally was the offense. They couldn't do **** without him on the field.

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All of these teams would certainly struggle without their Heisman candidate players. I'd say McCoy should get it. His numbers are great, and he plays in a tough conference against strong defenses. If the award was for "Best College Career" then Tebow should get it, but it's not...it's for the best player this season. If Ingram has a big game in the SEC championship then he could leapfrog McCoy and take the lead. I don't see Gerhart getting it. I just don't see the Pac-10 defenses being nearly as fast or tough as SEC or Big 12 defenses.
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I don't know dick about College Football, but that #7 from Stanford was rocking faces today.

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Gerhart or C.J. Spiller should probably win it. Spiller struggled today, but he still has been a beast all year.
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My personal vote goes for Toby Gerhart as well. My friends and I were simply amazed when we watched his game against Cal. "BEAST" is the correct term for him. Too bad the coaching staff didn't use him properly in that game. They definetly would have won against Cal if they simply handed him the ball isntead of relying on their freshman QB in the final seconds of the game. He is the main reason Stanford won the big games for them this season. He dominated against USC, Oregon, and Notre Dame.

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I want to see Tebow win, but my goodness how can you not vote for Toby Gehart. He is simply a good ol' fashion Running Back!
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Case Keenum anyone? I know he doesn't go to a school like Florida or Alabama or USC, but I think he should get some discussion. What he did in Houston this year was incredible.
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Its going to be a close one with the more deserving players getting screwed for not playing in the right Conference.
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Not to take anything away from Toby, but it was only Notre Dame that he destroyed last night. I love the Fighting Irish, but our defense forgets to play the majority of the time. I predict that Tim Tebow will win it if he wins the National Title game, and McCoy will win it if the Longhorns win the title.
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Not to take anything away from Toby, but it was only Notre Dame that he destroyed last night. I love the Fighting Irish, but our defense forgets to play the majority of the time. I predict that Tim Tebow will win it if he wins the National Title game, and McCoy will win it if the Longhorns win the title. SummertimeSanta
He has done that all year. He probably deserves the trophy the most out of anyone. Tebow has been okay, but he hasn't impressed me against anyone good recently. If he has a good game against Alabama, he will probably win it.
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Not to take anything away from Toby, but it was only Notre Dame that he destroyed last night. I love the Fighting Irish, but our defense forgets to play the majority of the time. I predict that Tim Tebow will win it if he wins the National Title game, and McCoy will win it if the Longhorns win the title. SummertimeSanta
They give out the Heisman before the BCS bowl games.
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#14 geaux321
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[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]Case Keenum anyone? I know he doesn't go to a school like Florida or Alabama or USC, but I think he should get some discussion. What he did in Houston this year was incredible.

And what Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan did in Hawaii was incredible, and what almost every Texas Tech QB does every year was incredible. Keenum has thrown it on average 48 times per game, you're bound to have huge numbers after that, then factor in the quality of teams Houston plays the numbers get inflated even more. He'll probably be in the running for the Davey O'Brien award, but not the Heisman.
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Not to take anything away from Toby, but it was only Notre Dame that he destroyed last night. I love the Fighting Irish, but our defense forgets to play the majority of the time. I predict that Tim Tebow will win it if he wins the National Title game, and McCoy will win it if the Longhorns win the title. SummertimeSanta
He has pretty much destroyed every team he played against this year, its not just Notre Dame.

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[QUOTE="geaux321"][QUOTE="InterpolWilco"]Case Keenum anyone? I know he doesn't go to a school like Florida or Alabama or USC, but I think he should get some discussion. What he did in Houston this year was incredible.

And what Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan did in Hawaii was incredible, and what almost every Texas Tech QB does every year was incredible. Keenum has thrown it on average 48 times per game, you're bound to have huge numbers after that, then factor in the quality of teams Houston plays the numbers get inflated even more. He'll probably be in the running for the Davey O'Brien award, but not the Heisman.

I understand what your saying, and thats fair, but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve some discussion. He beat ranked teams, and single hand-idly won games for Houston. Toby deserves some love too. Theres a lot of talk about Tebow and McCoy, and though I think they're both awesome players, there were guys who were better than them this year.
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The award should go to Toby Gerhart.

I'd like to see Kellen Moore get an invite to New York as a finalist. Yeah, he's in the WAC... but still, a 38:3 TD:Int ratio is no small achievement.

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Gerhart should win the award. Colt McCoy wouldn't even be on the radar if Jordon Shipley wasn't playing like he is. Case Keenum put up just plain stupid stats, but you can truly say he did not face top compettition. Ingram and Spiller were hurt by their most recent performances. Tebow just should not be in the disscussion.

However, McCoy will win the award, even though he doesn't deserve it. Enjoy college while you can, McCoy. Being the 3rd string QB for the Cleveland Browns will not be as fun.

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Case Keenum put up just plain stupid stats, but you can truly say he did not face top compettition.heysharpshooter

Keenum's stats weren't just a result of playing against C-USA competition, given that he tallied 366 yds against Oklahoma St, 434 against Miss St, and 435 against Texas Tech. His numbers were simply a product of the system in the same way that benefited Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan, like another poster mentioned.

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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]Case Keenum put up just plain stupid stats, but you can truly say he did not face top compettition.Oleg_Huzwog

Keenum's stats weren't just a result of playing against C-USA competition, given that he tallied 366 yds against Oklahoma St, 434 against Miss St, and 435 against Texas Tech. His numbers were simply a product of the system in the same way that benefited Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan, like another poster mentioned.

I wouldnt say those teams were top competittion, however. All of those teams were dissapointing this season.

I do agree he is the next Colt Brennen/Timmy Chang however. And most college QB's are a product of their scheme. I would say both Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow are a product of their scheme.

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However, McCoy will win the award, even though he doesn't deserve it. Enjoy college while you can, McCoy. Being the 3rd string QB for the Cleveland Browns will not be as fun.

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Really? Are you a scout? If Tony Homo can start in the NFL so can McCoy...the most accurate QB in college football.

My vote is for McCoy. Yes, I'm biased. He isn't having the season he had last year, but the Longhorns are still undefeated, and he is a very big reason for that. He has those intangibles that the media loves to rave about Tebow having. Only difference is his face/name isn't thrown around as much. Colt is a top class guy on and off the field. If you believe all he does dink and dunk passes, then you don't watch Texas play...you only listen to what people tell you.

Gerhart is having a great season, but he plays for a 4 loss team. I don't know the statistics, but I don't believe a heisman winner has ever played for a 4 loss team. Also the last running RB to truly deserve the Heisman was Ricky Williams and Gerhart's stats aren't quite on that level. Dayne won in a down year, and VY should have won the year Reggie Bush did. Bush's stats weren't that great compared to previous RBs that have won. The proof is in the stats and the wins.

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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

However, McCoy will win the award, even though he doesn't deserve it. Enjoy college while you can, McCoy. Being the 3rd string QB for the Cleveland Browns will not be as fun.

cmpepper23

Really? Are you a scout? If Tony Homo can start in the NFL so can McCoy...the most accurate QB in college football.

My vote is for McCoy. Yes, I'm biased. He isn't having the season he had last year, but the Longhorns are still undefeated, and he is a very big reason for that. He has those intangibles that the media loves to rave about Tebow having. Only difference is his face/name isn't thrown around as much. Colt is a top class guy on and off the field. If you believe all he does dink and dunk passes, then you don't watch Texas play...you only listen to what people tell you.

Gerhart is having a great season, but he plays for a 4 loss team. I don't know the statistics, but I don't believe a heisman winner has ever played for a 4 loss team. Also the last running RB to truly deserve the Heisman was Ricky Williams and Gerhart's stats aren't quite on that level. Dayne won in a down year, and VY should have won the year Reggie Bush did. Bush's stats weren't that great compared to previous RBs that have won. The proof is in the stats and the wins.

The offense allows him to make one read and dump the ball off, he has tunnel vision. His deep ball accuracy is hit and miss, he cannot play under center, he has a weak arm and is thin and vulnerable to injury. Sounds like a 3rd stringer to me. Tony Romo is bigger, has a bigger arm and came out of a better offense to translate to the NFL.

BTW, Toby Gerharts Stats The dude has scored 26 touchdowns this year. And I wasn't aware that the Hiesman was a team award.

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[QUOTE="cmpepper23"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

However, McCoy will win the award, even though he doesn't deserve it. Enjoy college while you can, McCoy. Being the 3rd string QB for the Cleveland Browns will not be as fun.

heysharpshooter

Really? Are you a scout? If Tony Homo can start in the NFL so can McCoy...the most accurate QB in college football.

My vote is for McCoy. Yes, I'm biased. He isn't having the season he had last year, but the Longhorns are still undefeated, and he is a very big reason for that. He has those intangibles that the media loves to rave about Tebow having. Only difference is his face/name isn't thrown around as much. Colt is a top class guy on and off the field. If you believe all he does dink and dunk passes, then you don't watch Texas play...you only listen to what people tell you.

Gerhart is having a great season, but he plays for a 4 loss team. I don't know the statistics, but I don't believe a heisman winner has ever played for a 4 loss team. Also the last running RB to truly deserve the Heisman was Ricky Williams and Gerhart's stats aren't quite on that level. Dayne won in a down year, and VY should have won the year Reggie Bush did. Bush's stats weren't that great compared to previous RBs that have won. The proof is in the stats and the wins.

The offense allows him to make one read and dump the ball off, he has tunnel vision. His deep ball accuracy is hit and miss, he cannot play under center, he has a weak arm and is thin and vulnerable to injury. Sounds like a 3rd stringer to me. Tony Romo is bigger, has a bigger arm and came out of a better offense to translate to the NFL.

BTW, Toby Gerharts Stats The dude has scored 26 touchdowns this year. And I wasn't aware that the Hiesman was a team award.

Colt McCoy is a few pounds shy of Romo and like most players that go to the NFL, he will gain the weight/muscle in order to play in the NFL. I have seen him on several plays go through more than one read and still make the play. He has the ability to keep plays alive with legs. Give him 2 years to adjust to playing under center although it seems more and more offenses in the NFL are using the spread. His arm isn't the strongest, but look where strong arms get you...Jay Cutler. He has a strong enough arm to play in the NFL and has the most important attribute and that is the ability to win and be accurate. I could see him coming into the league as a backup and like Romo, eventually becoming a starter by his 3rd or 4th season.

As for Gerhart, I know his stats...espn is just one click away, but the fact is the Heisman winner for the past 10 years at least has come from a top team and not one with 4 losses. Look it up. It's not a team award, but just like MVPs in the pros, the winner is going to come from a great team not an above average/good one. Look at Bush when he won. He won because he played for USC and the national media was obsessed with USC going as far to say they could beat the Arizona Cardinals. VY's stats were far beyond that of Bush.

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McCoy(Tex)

Ingram(Ala)

Tebow(Fla)

Spiller(Clem)

those are in my opinion the top candidates

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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="cmpepper23"]

Really? Are you a scout? If Tony Homo can start in the NFL so can McCoy...the most accurate QB in college football.

My vote is for McCoy. Yes, I'm biased. He isn't having the season he had last year, but the Longhorns are still undefeated, and he is a very big reason for that. He has those intangibles that the media loves to rave about Tebow having. Only difference is his face/name isn't thrown around as much. Colt is a top class guy on and off the field. If you believe all he does dink and dunk passes, then you don't watch Texas play...you only listen to what people tell you.

Gerhart is having a great season, but he plays for a 4 loss team. I don't know the statistics, but I don't believe a heisman winner has ever played for a 4 loss team. Also the last running RB to truly deserve the Heisman was Ricky Williams and Gerhart's stats aren't quite on that level. Dayne won in a down year, and VY should have won the year Reggie Bush did. Bush's stats weren't that great compared to previous RBs that have won. The proof is in the stats and the wins.

cmpepper23

The offense allows him to make one read and dump the ball off, he has tunnel vision. His deep ball accuracy is hit and miss, he cannot play under center, he has a weak arm and is thin and vulnerable to injury. Sounds like a 3rd stringer to me. Tony Romo is bigger, has a bigger arm and came out of a better offense to translate to the NFL.

BTW, Toby Gerharts Stats The dude has scored 26 touchdowns this year. And I wasn't aware that the Hiesman was a team award.

Colt McCoy is a few pounds shy of Romo and like most players that go to the NFL, he will gain the weight/muscle in order to play in the NFL. I have seen him on several plays go through more than one read and still make the play. He has the ability to keep plays alive with legs. Give him 2 years to adjust to playing under center although it seems more and more offenses in the NFL are using the spread. His arm isn't the strongest, but look where strong arms get you...Jay Cutler. He has a strong enough arm to play in the NFL and has the most important attribute and that is the ability to win and be accurate. I could see him coming into the league as a backup and like Romo, eventually becoming a starter by his 3rd or 4th season.

As for Gerhart, I know his stats...espn is just one click away, but the fact is the Heisman winner for the past 10 years at least has come from a top team and not one with 4 losses. Look it up. It's not a team award, but just like MVPs in the pros, the winner is going to come from a great team not an above average/good one. Look at Bush when he won. He won because he played for USC and the national media was obsessed with USC going as far to say they could beat the Arizona Cardinals. VY's stats were far beyond that of Bush.

He's 203 pounds I think. Romo is 225. And he doesn't have the thin frame of a college athlete like McCoy. And its harder than you think to simply learn to throw under center. McCoy has been playing in a wonky college system, and just won't unlearn his nasty quirks like tunnel vision. And ask Mark Sanchez and Chad Pennington how weak arms(McCoy's arm is right there with them) are helping them. And McCoy is not accurate. He plays in an offense that allows him to LOOK accurate. And besides, if you look at one of my old threads, I point out that mathimatically, Jordon Shipley accouts for almost 50 % of McCoys stats this season. HE is more elligle for the Hiesman, IMO.

As for the Hiesman, its a personal award. And Gerhart has had less help than anyone up for the award. Don't say Andrew Luck either. He looks like a future NFL player, but he has a long way to go.

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Toby Gerhart definitely deserves it. He has carried the team on his back so far this year. It will be a huge shame if he doesn't win it, although I have serious doubts of him winning a Heisman, since he goes to Stanford. If not him, then it should be Colt McCoy. I still can't believe Kellen Moore doesn't even get mentioned.