Mario Lemieux offers to buy Pirates, gets rejected

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#1 blackngold29
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Basically in Pittsburgh you don't get much higher than Lemieux or lower than the Pirates. I hope the fans speak out about this, because it would be great if it happend.

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#2 ProudLarry
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As both a Pens and Pirates fan I'm not sure how I feel about it. Lemieux/Burkle might be better owners than Nutting, but I'd like to see Neal Huntington's plans given a chance, since he's done well for the two years he's been around. In the end I doubt Nutting will sell, unless they offer some insane amount of money, but if he did, I'd hope they keep Huntington around.

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It's all right. The Buccos have a plan. We signed Octavio Dotel. That'll errm...I'm not sure how the Hell that'll help, but I'm sure it's a big-picture signing.
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It's all right. The Buccos have a plan. We signed Octavio Dotel. That'll errm...I'm not sure how the Hell that'll help, but I'm sure it's a big-picture signing.dodgerblue13
I would hope that after 17 years we would have grown tired of cynicism as well. The four or five 1-year deals they handed out over the off-season make a bit of sense for the short term. Guys like Dotel, Church, Donnelly, Crosby, and Lopez are there not to get the Rats into the playoffs. They're there so we can give prospects like Alvarez, Tabata, Lincoln, and Alderson time to develop. The Pirates aren't weighing themselves down with long-term contracts for sub-par veterans, that Littlefield had a good knack for (see: Matt Morris) .
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I'm sure Lemieux was just the face to the other guy who wanted to buy them.
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This is just outrageous, what i'm suspecting is the current owner doesn't care and this guy wants to bring glory back to that team/city but Selig and his cronies like always are a worthless sack of..................he let McCourt buy the Dodgers when the guy basically owned a parking lot in Boston and was shot down by the Red Sox. He says they would reject a Mark Cuban bid if he took interest in buying and they rejected some other dudes back in 04 that seemed like better candidates :evil: Ok maybe this doesn't have anything to do with Selig yet, but i still can't wait for 2012 when he steps down.
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I'm sure Lemieux was just the face to the other guy who wanted to buy them.Hirothegamer
Yeah, I guess it's Burkle that has the billions. I guess I'm mad at the current owners because they haven't improved (short term I know, but it ain't looking much different from the past decade), but not sure if you can blame them for not selling -- the Pirates still make money every year.
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#8 X360PS3AMD05
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They still make money :o
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Of course the Pirates make money. They aren't willing to spend anything on anyone. It's a shame because Pittsburgh surely isn't a bad baseball town in terms of interest level. An NBA team would never pan out in Pittsburgh, but it's obvious that people would go to PNC if there was anything worth seeing other than the opposition.
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Of course the Pirates make money. They aren't willing to spend anything on anyone. It's a shame because Pittsburgh surely isn't a bad baseball town in terms of interest level. An NBA team would never pan out in Pittsburgh, but it's obvious that people would go to PNC if there was anything worth seeing other than the opposition.dodgerblue13
Word, if they spent money they could win. If the Marlins can win two championships on six years, then the Pirates have no excuse.
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[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"]Of course the Pirates make money. They aren't willing to spend anything on anyone. It's a shame because Pittsburgh surely isn't a bad baseball town in terms of interest level. An NBA team would never pan out in Pittsburgh, but it's obvious that people would go to PNC if there was anything worth seeing other than the opposition.-Halftime-
Word, if they spent money they could win. If the Marlins can win two championships on six years, then the Pirates have no excuse.

Who should the Pirates be spending money on then? The Pirates may have money, but they don't have enough to build a playoff team with free-agents. And what about the players they've had? Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, and maybe Freddy Sanchez are the only ones in the past decade that might have deserved a higher-end contract, but the team certainly wasn't winning when they were on the team together. So again, who should they be spending money on? Most of the problems with the Pirates stem from Dave Littlefield, the former GM, being completely incompetent in every way. Andrew McCutchen and Paul Maholm may end up being his only good draft picks from the 6 years he was with the team. The rest of his picks might as well have never happened. He dealt Aramis Ramirez, Gary Matthews, Jr., and Jason Kendell for just about nothing. Its not as simple as them not spending money. Its about downright terrible management for almost an entire decade.
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="dodgerblue13"]Of course the Pirates make money. They aren't willing to spend anything on anyone. It's a shame because Pittsburgh surely isn't a bad baseball town in terms of interest level. An NBA team would never pan out in Pittsburgh, but it's obvious that people would go to PNC if there was anything worth seeing other than the opposition.ProudLarry
Word, if they spent money they could win. If the Marlins can win two championships on six years, then the Pirates have no excuse.

Who should the Pirates be spending money on then? The Pirates may have money, but they don't have enough to build a playoff team with free-agents. And what about the players they've had? Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, and maybe Freddy Sanchez are the only ones in the past decade that might have deserved a higher-end contract, but the team certainly wasn't winning when they were on the team together. So again, who should they be spending money on? Most of the problems with the Pirates stem from Dave Littlefield, the former GM, being completely incompetent in every way. Andrew McCutchen and Paul Maholm may end up being his only good draft picks from the 6 years he was with the team. The rest of his picks might as well have never happened. He dealt Aramis Ramirez, Gary Matthews, Jr., and Jason Kendell for just about nothing. Its not as simple as them not spending money. Its about downright terrible management for almost an entire decade.

Make that two decades.
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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"] Word, if they spent money they could win. If the Marlins can win two championships on six years, then the Pirates have no excuse.blackngold29
Who should the Pirates be spending money on then? The Pirates may have money, but they don't have enough to build a playoff team with free-agents. And what about the players they've had? Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, and maybe Freddy Sanchez are the only ones in the past decade that might have deserved a higher-end contract, but the team certainly wasn't winning when they were on the team together. So again, who should they be spending money on? Most of the problems with the Pirates stem from Dave Littlefield, the former GM, being completely incompetent in every way. Andrew McCutchen and Paul Maholm may end up being his only good draft picks from the 6 years he was with the team. The rest of his picks might as well have never happened. He dealt Aramis Ramirez, Gary Matthews, Jr., and Jason Kendell for just about nothing. Its not as simple as them not spending money. Its about downright terrible management for almost an entire decade.

Make that two decades.

I was talking mainly about Littlefield's tenure. I don't know much about the 93'- 00' era to be honest. I don't know if Cam Bonifay, as GM, had a plan or not. Either way it obviously didn't amount to anything. Looking back on it it feels like the team was having a hard time accepting it went from a regular contender, to being a nobody.
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I am sure that Lemieux will eventually own them.
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#15 recon_recon
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lol, pirates fan would be pretty dumb not to accept that offer from lemieux. If even a bit of his magic rubs off on the pirates like it did on the penguins then they are better. PUT SOME RESPECT back into that team and make the most beautiful baseball park in the MLB a worthy place to play

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lol, pirates fan would be pretty dumb not to accept that offer from lemieux. If even a bit of his magic rubs off on the pirates like it did on the penguins then they are better. PUT SOME RESPECT back into that team and make the most beautiful baseball park in the MLB a worthy place to play

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How is this on the fans? The fans don't own the team.

But anyway, I think that there are some positives and negatives if Lemieux wanted to buy the team. The easiest positive is that it is Lemieux, he wouldn't just drive the team into the ground like the Nutting family has done. Even if they get a *gasp* winning season it would be considered a huge success. The problem is the Nutting family would be stupid to sell the team since they make so much off of the revenue, heck a few years back the league's sharing paid for the salary of the roster, every penny made above and beyond that went in to thier pockets.

The biggest negative is that the team is already down, it will take time to get them back to a respectable level. Along with the Royals and Nats there aren't many teams as disrepected as the Pirates. They trade away all the talent they develop, make trades that make no sense to them (Matt Morris anyone?) and do absolutely nothing worth mentioning in the Free Agent market. The team is a joke right now, and I don't know if the Lemieux Group is the answer to fixing all of their problems.

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#17 ProudLarry
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I wanted to point out one thing when it came to spending. Nutting obviously hasn't spent anything on payroll (although my earlier post hopefully explains why). He's promised to raise payroll when the "right" players are in place, which I know alot of people are skeptical of. But one place they have actually been spending alot of money has been with the draft. In the 2009 Draft they spent $9 Million, which was more than any other team: http://www.buccofans.com/2009/06/2009-pittsburgh-pirates-draft-pick.html In 2008 they spent closer to $8 Million, and I believe was the second most: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/draft/2008/23.shtml