Does anyone remember Ryan Leaf? The QB that everyone said was a better all around QB than Payton Manning. Well he's gone and Payton is still playing. Matt Leinart was a better QB than Vince Young. VY isn't a good QB cause all he know's how to do is run and he to stupid to be a pro QB. Well Matt is benched once again and VY has his team that he's started for since being drafted and hasn't worried about some other old QB (Kurt Warner) taking his job. Matt will be a half way, decent, but over paid career backup QB.
That analogy doesn't make any sense, do you know what happened with Ryan Leaf?
Also Kurt Warner is an MVP who also has a Superbowl ring. For him to hold a job over someone with less playing experience isn't a big deal.
Arizona wants to win now so Warner is the one they're going with. Also remember that the head coach was not the one who wanted Matt, he was already on the team when he got there.
To be fair, Warners accomplishments are in the past, and it should be a big deal (to cards' fans anyway) that Leinart can't take the job. Warner isn't anywhere near the qb he was. And also, VY isn't that great either, his stats are constantly mediocore at best, but he still seems to somehow manage to run around and find ways to win, i guess that's what it's about though.
As a side note, not everybody had Leaf better than Peyton (since peyton was #1), in fact I seem to remember Peyton being a near consensus #1 at the time.
Leaf won his first two games in convincing fashion then basically got cocky and couldn't win anymore. Leinart still was able to play last year and win games, he's just a big letdown but not a Leaf.
To be fair, Warners accomplishments are in the past, and it should be a big deal (to cards' fans anyway) that Leinart can't take the job. Warner isn't anywhere near the qb he was.
Quajen
He's still one of the most accurate QB's in the league and knows how to spread the ball around.
He's never lost a job because he's been bad, he's only lost his job from health concerns. He's been healthy for years now and has rewarded the teams that took him with solid play with a mid 80's or higher QB rating while brinigng in 50TD's to just 35INT's
When comparing QB's. Everyone raved about Leaf being better more rounded and would adapt to the pro's better an easier than Manning. Everyone raved about Lienart being better more rounded than VY. But Lienart fell to 10th place and drafted by the Cards. Not really bad when you got weapons like Fitz and Bolden. Just throw the ball and Fitz will come down with it. Warner if you remeber was a back up for Trent Green and got lucky taking the Rams to the Super Bowl and winning. Look how close the Titans came to making a come back. Kurt's career has been up and down ever since that's why the Rams dumped him. If Lienart doesn't get his act together he'll only be a back up for the rest of his career.
When comparing QB's. Everyone raved about Leaf being better more rounded and would adapt to the pro's better an easier than Manning. Everyone raved about Lienart being better more rounded than VY. But Lienart fell to 10th place and drafted by the Cards. Not really bad when you got weapons like Fitz and Bolden. Just throw the ball and Fitz will come down with it. Warner if you remeber was a back up for Trent Green and got lucky taking the Rams to the Super Bowl and winning. Look how close the Titans came to making a come back. Kurt's career has been up and down ever since that's why the Rams dumped him. If Lienart doesn't get his act together he'll only be a back up for the rest of his career.
CADMAN_3
That's not how it happened, again this comparison makes absolutely no sense.
Leaf was seen as the better choice by some because he had the better physical tools (nothing at all like Matt Leinart)
Peyton was doubted by some because he was never able to win the "big game" in college (nothing like Young)
Warner did not get lucky with the Rams. He took his opening and lead the most prolific offense in NFL history and did such a good job that he became MVP and Green was shipped elsewhere. Also his career has not been "up and down", he had injuries that limited his playing time and once healthy he's been a dependable QB.
The comparison is how everyone (the show called draft experts) all said the samething about both Leaf and Lienart. Better all around QB. Payton couldn't win the big one (in collage) Young could only run around he couldn't stay in the pocket and throw the ball. Hence why these so called experts said Young wouldn't last long in the Pro's. Payton wasn't supose to take the Colts to the Superbowl and win cause he couldn't win the big games. That's the comparison. Warner, come on. He wasn't drafted, he played in Arena Football and then in Europe. He backed up Green for a year until he went down. You can't tell me it wasn't luck that the Rams went to the Superbowl. The games they won where close and could have went either way. Unlike what the Pats have done or Dallas or even the Broncos in there Superbowl wins. The Rams got lucky against the Titans and the got handled by the Pats, that why they have 3 rings and the Rams only have 1 instead of having 2.
most analysts agreed that Manning was the more mature player and the consensus top choice
HurricaneHugo
Wiki much? LOL. I got you on that one dogg.
But on Leinert...a lot of people are saying that he doesn't seem to have what it takes. He's not tough at all and has made almost no progress since coming to the league. He's basically going to be another Joey Harrington.
There is a huge difference between Ryan Leaf and Matt leinart. Ryan Leaf for one thing should have never been thrown into the game like that. It was a horrible team and just not the right time to throw him in there and expect him to lead a football team on his first year. We have seen it time and time again with first year guys coming into a horrible situation and the organization expecting to find gold. Where this happened only maybe a few times in the history of the league, imo I believe its crucial for a quaterback of the future to take the clipboard in the first year or even the second year to learn the system and learn from a veteran. See Tony Romo, and upcoming Aaron Rogers for example. Matt leinart has a long way to go and the high expectations and the spotlight I think have hurt him, but I think it is better for his future as well as the organization to stick with Warner until Warner can't do what they want him to do anymore. It will be beneficial for leinart to learn for his future. If this same approach was done on Leaf, we would probably be calling him one of the best in the league right now, instead him coaching a highschool football team.
most analysts agreed that Manning was the more mature player and the consensus top choice
GrindingAxe
Wiki much? LOL. I got you on that one dogg.
But on Leinert...a lot of people are saying that he doesn't seem to have what it takes. He's not tough at all and has made almost no progress since coming to the league. He's basically going to be another Joey Harrington.
I dont believe in that one bit. The guy has a lot of learning to do and on top of it he has been injured. You have to look at the both of the situations these guys have fallen into. I mean Arizona has failed miserably to get a stable quarterback or coaching staff for years in that organization, though lately it has looked better, they still have ways to go and I believe with Leinart learning from Warner he will benefit that in the future. Joey Harrington who I think has some talent was thrown into one of the worst run organizations in the league. Detriot has a horrible front office and completely needs to be refurnished. If I owned the Lions I would fire everyone in that entire front office and start over because it has done nothing in years.
A friend of mine met Mr. Leaf and he said that he was extremely cocky. Well he is gone now and not even a back up at all. So Lienart can be a back all his life but at least he will still be in the league. In my opinion QBs need to be in a certain system to shine. Brady was a backup and probably would never of won a superbowl if bledsoe didnt go down. It really is luck in a way. I like how people did hate on Manning, like a friend of mine calling him a loser because he couldnt win the big game and now his mouth is shut.
That analogy doesn't make any sense, do you know what happened with Ryan Leaf?
Also Kurt Warner is an MVP who also has a Superbowl ring. For him to hold a job over someone with less playing experience isn't a big deal.
Arizona wants to win now so Warner is the one they're going with. Also remember that the head coach was not the one who wanted Matt, he was already on the team when he got there.
Jaysonguy
I agree dont hate on Warner. He did go to the superbowl twice which can not be said about very many players in the league even Payton Manning.
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