MLB All-Star Game: National League beats American League 5-1. Fielder named MVP.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110703&content_id=21335168&vkey=allstar2011

American League:

• C- Alex Avila
• 1B- Adrian Gonzalez
• 2B- Robinson Cano
• 3B- Alex Rodriguez
• SS- Derek Jeter
• OF- Jose Bautista
• OF- Curtis Granderson
• OF- Josh Hamilton
• DH- David Ortiz

National League:

• C- Briann McCann
• 1B- Prince Fielder
• 2B- Rickie Weeks
• 3B- Placido Polanco
• SS- Jose Reyes
• OF- Ryan Braun
• OF- Matt Kemp
• OF- Lance Berkman

If they want the all-star game to actually mean something then guys like Derek Jeter shouldn't be anywhere near a roster in 2011.

Either make it a pointless game (take away the home field thing) and let the fans vote for the most famous players or make it mean something and try to put the best players on each team.

If they want the all-star game to actually mean something then guys like Derek Jeter shouldn't be anywhere near a roster in 2011.

Either make it a pointless game (take away the home field thing) and let the fans vote for the most famous players or make it mean something and try to put the best players on each team.

JML897

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If they want the all-star game to actually mean something then guys like Derek Jeter shouldn't be anywhere near a roster in 2011.

Either make it a pointless game (take away the home field thing) and let the fans vote for the most famous players or make it mean something and try to put the best players on each team.

Ring_of_fire

Agreed.

Also, no Andrew McCutchen is a joke. And wow, there are no good third basemen in the NL.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

If they want the all-star game to actually mean something then guys like Derek Jeter shouldn't be anywhere near a roster in 2011.

Either make it a pointless game (take away the home field thing) and let the fans vote for the most famous players or make it mean something and try to put the best players on each team.

Ring_of_fire

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="JML897"]

If they want the all-star game to actually mean something then guys like Derek Jeter shouldn't be anywhere near a roster in 2011.

Either make it a pointless game (take away the home field thing) and let the fans vote for the most famous players or make it mean something and try to put the best players on each team.

white_sox

Im a huge yankee fan, but even though i hate A-Gon, he can still lead the AL to a win.

A lot of things wrong with it...no McCutchen, Jeter and Hamilton are there for starters. But the fans got something right...Jose Bautista! Record number of votes! Can't wait to watch him play in the ASG and HR Derby.

I hope Lind gets in...Romero too. They are deserving, especially Romero.

See the garbage would be fine if the game didn't matter, but it does thanks to bozo Bud so it's irritating. Also lol @ JMart one good month in pinstripes and you make the ASG again even if you go back to suckage. X360PS3AMD05

Come on... Jeter isn't even close to being all star game material... I am glad to see Avila get some recognition though.

I think the problem with the voting and Jeter and stuff like that is the average fan doesn't know why Cabrera is or Peralta or Escobar, etc. Since they don't know, they're going to take the guy with the best career, the safe choice. Shame really, since he really doesn't deserve it, nor does Hamilton.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=6754658

Weaver set to start for the AL.

It's a shame that all the great starters pitched Saturday or Sunday. For a game that counts for a lot (Giants said HF advantage was huge), a lot of players are missing due to injury, rest or ineligability. I think players that intend on not going or are on the DL, you should take your name off the ballot. They're over 80 players named now.

Weaver deserves to start...I'd have Verlander, but of course, he's inelgiable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar11/news/story?id=6757564

Halladay to start for the NL.

If they want the all-star game to actually mean something then guys like Derek Jeter shouldn't be anywhere near a roster in 2011.

Either make it a pointless game (take away the home field thing) and let the fans vote for the most famous players or make it mean something and try to put the best players on each team.

Jair should of started for obvious reasons.GrindingAxe

What would those reasons be?

too bad Verlander just pitched Sunday, it would have been cool to watch him start an All-Star game.

Jair should of started for obvious reasons.GrindingAxe

(I secretly kind of hope Jair and Venters don't play. keep them fresh for the 2nd half )

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"]Jair should of started for obvious reasons.TaCoDuDe

What would those reasons be?

[QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"]Jair should of started for obvious reasons.GrindingAxe

What would those reasons be?

Of that's right. I forgot about the WINZ. :roll:

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"][QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]

What would those reasons be?

TaCoDuDe

Of that's right. I forgot about the WINZ. :roll:

[QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"] Jair has the lowest era and the most wins. This formula has always been the decider when it comes to deciding which pitcher who is most deserving. He's not a household name...that's why he was denied the starter spot. People like you will come up with nitpicky reasons why he shouldn't be the starter but those reasons will ring hollow. Jair is the man!GrindingAxe

Of that's right. I forgot about the WINZ. :roll:

We're way past the point of judging pitchers by wins. It's a statistic that the pitcher has barely any control over. Maybe we should start Kevin Correia? He has just as many wins as Halladay. Wins are meaningless.

Halladay is the better pitcher. Far better strikeout rate, fewer walks, better FIP. 5.1(!) WAR versus 2.3.

And again, I'm a Braves fan, I love Jair. If Halladay wasn't around, Jair would be the pitcher I'd start. But he's not, and hasn't been, better than Halladay.

[QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"] Jair has the lowest era and the most wins. This formula has always been the decider when it comes to deciding which pitcher who is most deserving. He's not a household name...that's why he was denied the starter spot. People like you will come up with nitpicky reasons why he shouldn't be the starter but those reasons will ring hollow. Jair is the man!GrindingAxe

Of that's right. I forgot about the WINZ. :roll:

Bochy said JJ was his second choice, and even JJ said himself it should be Halladay based on his season.

Wins don't mean much anymore. Look at last years AL Cy Young, or C.C not making the AS Team until yesterday and Romero making it on before him, with only 7 wins.

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"][QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]

Of that's right. I forgot about the WINZ. :roll:

TaCoDuDe

We're way past the point of judging pitchers by wins. It's a statistic that the pitcher has barely any control over. Maybe we should start Kevin Correia? He has just as many wins as Halladay. Wins are meaningless.

Halladay is the better pitcher. Far better strikeout rate, fewer walks, better FIP. 5.1(!) WAR versus 2.3.

And again, I'm a Braves fan, I love Jair. If Halladay wasn't around, Jair would be the pitcher I'd start. But he's not, and hasn't been, better than Halladay.

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[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"] Why the rolly eyes? He accomplished those wins with an anemic offense..plus he started late in the season due to injury.GrindingAxe

We're way past the point of judging pitchers by wins. It's a statistic that the pitcher has barely any control over. Maybe we should start Kevin Correia? He has just as many wins as Halladay. Wins are meaningless.

Halladay is the better pitcher. Far better strikeout rate, fewer walks, better FIP. 5.1(!) WAR versus 2.3.

And again, I'm a Braves fan, I love Jair. If Halladay wasn't around, Jair would be the pitcher I'd start. But he's not, and hasn't been, better than Halladay.

I didn't ignore ERA, I just used a more accurate statistic, FIP.

Strikeout pitchers are generally more desireable than pitchers who pitch to contact. When you pitch to contact, you're susceptible to errors, bloop hits, fly balls turning into home runs, etc.

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"][QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]

We're way past the point of judging pitchers by wins. It's a statistic that the pitcher has barely any control over. Maybe we should start Kevin Correia? He has just as many wins as Halladay. Wins are meaningless.

Halladay is the better pitcher. Far better strikeout rate, fewer walks, better FIP. 5.1(!) WAR versus 2.3.

And again, I'm a Braves fan, I love Jair. If Halladay wasn't around, Jair would be the pitcher I'd start. But he's not, and hasn't been, better than Halladay.

TaCoDuDe

I didn't ignore ERA, I just used a more accurate statistic, FIP.

Strikeout pitchers are generally more desireable than pitchers who pitch to contact. When you pitch to contact, you're susceptible to errors, bloop hits, fly balls turning into home runs, etc.

[QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"] Fine...we'll ignore the wins. Would you like to ignore the ERA too? You can be a dominant pitcher and not be a strikeout whore.GrindingAxe

I didn't ignore ERA, I just used a more accurate statistic, FIP.

Strikeout pitchers are generally more desireable than pitchers who pitch to contact. When you pitch to contact, you're susceptible to errors, bloop hits, fly balls turning into home runs, etc.

[QUOTE="TaCoDuDe"]

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"] Fine...we'll ignore the wins. Would you like to ignore the ERA too? You can be a dominant pitcher and not be a strikeout whore.GrindingAxe

I didn't ignore ERA, I just used a more accurate statistic, FIP.

Strikeout pitchers are generally more desireable than pitchers who pitch to contact. When you pitch to contact, you're susceptible to errors, bloop hits, fly balls turning into home runs, etc.

Instead of immediately dismissing it, why not take a look at the definition? It's pretty simple: http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/pitching/fip/

Basically, pitchers have little control over what happens to a ball once the batter puts it in play. FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching) focuses on what pitchers CAN control, strikeouts, walks, HBP's, and home runs. It's extremely useful as a predictive stat.

And yes, Hanson was snubbed.

Jair didn't get a low era because his defense was incredible behind him, he got a low era because he's a master at keeping hitters off balance. Maybe Jair gave up more walks but guess what...he got out of those jams. This fip stat sounds like a fantasy baseball stat which basically ignores some of Jair's strengths. Pitching to contact gets you dp's. Pitching to contact is an art(see 300 game winner Tom Glavine and to a degree... Greg Maddux).GrindingAxe

Jair didn't get a low era because his defense was incredible behind him, he got a low era because he's a master at keeping hitters off balance. Maybe Jair gave up more walks but guess what...he got out of those jams. This fip stat sounds like a fantasy baseball stat which basically ignores some of Jair's strengths. Pitching to contact gets you dp's. Pitching to contact is an art(see 300 game winner Tom Glavine and to a degree... Greg Maddux).GrindingAxe

There are mountains of statistical evidence that proves that pitchers will revert to their FIP. There are a number of indidcators that suggest this for JJ. For one thing, his HR/FB rate (home runs per fly balls) is an unsustainably low 4.4%. Fly balls turn into home runs anywhere between 8-10 percents of the time, so as the season goes on, expect to see him give up a few more homers. Additionally, he leaves runners stranded 84% of the time, which is unsustainable.

Pitching to contact is a skill, and Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux were good at it. But their peripheral stats were not abnormal, like JJ's are currently. JJ is a very, very good pitcher, but he has been a bit lucky so far this year.

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"]Jair didn't get a low era because his defense was incredible behind him, he got a low era because he's a master at keeping hitters off balance. Maybe Jair gave up more walks but guess what...he got out of those jams. This fip stat sounds like a fantasy baseball stat which basically ignores some of Jair's strengths. Pitching to contact gets you dp's. Pitching to contact is an art(see 300 game winner Tom Glavine and to a degree... Greg Maddux).TaCoDuDe

There are mountains of statistical evidence that proves that pitchers will revert to their FIP. There are a number of indidcators that suggest this for JJ. For one thing, his HR/FB rate (home runs per fly balls) is an unsustainably low 4.4%. Fly balls turn into home runs anywhere between 8-10 percents of the time, so as the season goes on, expect to see him give up a few more homers. Additionally, he leaves runners stranded 84% of the time, which is unsustainable.

Pitching to contact is a skill, and Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux were good at it. But their peripheral stats were not abnormal, like JJ's are currently. JJ is a very, very good pitcher, but he has been a bit lucky so far this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=6754658

Weaver set to start for the AL.

Master_Live

When you're the best pitcher in the majors, you should be starting.

I will take the NL and their pitching. Master_Live

Hell of a catch by Bautista right there.

I can't believe they said Adrian Gonzalez was the unquestioned AL MVP. That's ridiculous. Bautista has been better, easily.

I am finding this game very boring because of the announcers. Especially the one with the very monotone voice. I am secretly hoping that Venters and Kimbrel don't pitch :XRing_of_fire

Tim McCarver is awful. He suggested that Jeter's 3000th hit was purely a local New York thing. Yeah, because no one pays any attention to the Yankees outside of NY...

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]I am finding this game very boring because of the announcers. Especially the one with the very monotone voice. I am secretly hoping that Venters and Kimbrel don't pitch :Xyokofox33

Tim McCarver is awful. He suggested that Jeter's 3000th hit was purely a local New York thing. Yeah, because no one pays any attention to the Yankees outside of NY...

[QUOTE="yokofox33"]

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]I am finding this game very boring because of the announcers. Especially the one with the very monotone voice. I am secretly hoping that Venters and Kimbrel don't pitch :XRing_of_fire

Tim McCarver is awful. He suggested that Jeter's 3000th hit was purely a local New York thing. Yeah, because no one pays any attention to the Yankees outside of NY...