MLB: Can someone beat the Philadelphia Phillies in the NL?

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#1 Master_Live
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Phillies: Great offense, good defense, great starting pitching but their closer is a joke. For a team making so much noise in the off season and still having a huge hole at closer is nothing more than a joke. Yeah, they can hope he MIGHT comeback to form, but why take a chance? With that said I think the Phils are clearly the team to beat in the NL. With teams like the Cards, Braves, Dodgers and Giants posing a treat.
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Yes, if the bums add Roy Oswalt at the deadline. Lets cross our fingers and hope Halladay isn't clutch when it counts.
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I don't see why they won't win the NL East again. Getting back to the World Series will be tough. I hope Lidge finds his form this season.
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The biggest question of their entire team will be Lidge. If he can find the form that made him a great closer with Houston, then they'd be hard to take down. They're still a beast of a team and I see them repeating their NL East title.
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Despite The Mets being Mediocre, They have beaten the Phillies alot the past 2 years. They've taken the Season Series each time. Now whether the Mets Can Take away their status of being the NL Champs, It all depends if they are healthy and if Minaya can Pull off some Great Mid-Season trades. Other then The Mets I don't think anyone can compete with the Phillies.

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They will win the pennant again.

As for the AL, the Orioles will NOT win the pennant. Too obvious?

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#7 Master_Live
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Other then The Mets I don't think anyone can compete with the Phillies.

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You must be joking. The Mets might be the 4th best team in their own division let alone the whole NL. Who is going to pitch for the Mets besides Santana? Oliver? Pelfrey?
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No one's beating the Phillies from the NL. The only team with a chance is the Cardinals. No one else stands a chance. I laugh at anyone who says the Dodgers or Mets.
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Yup, it's not like the Dodgers beat them in the season series last year, no chance..........oh wait. Also this is National League talk, where they play real baseball, AL fans go home.
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Yup, it's not like the Dodgers beat them in the season series last year, no chance..........oh wait. Also this is National League talk, where they play real baseball, AL fans go home. X360PS3AMD05
Oh I'm sorry, is that the same Dodgers that got killed by the Phillies 35-16 in 5 games? I'm sure Howard, Utley and Co. are shaking at the thought of facing Jonathan "The Choker" for a 3rd straight postseason and rip the hearts out of the Dodgers fanboys.
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Considering the playoffs are nearly 100% luck, the Phillies only have about a 20-25% chance of repeating as NL Champs.

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I don't think they'll be topped by anyone. If Hamels can get back on track they'll be fine. They didn't get worse, and to me, they got better by adding Halladay. He's facing weaker teams in the NL East than what he faced in the AL East, and he did fantastic then. So if he does as good as I think he will, and avoid major injuries, they should be the team to beat. Unless one of the top teams adds a big piece later in the year.

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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yup, it's not like the Dodgers beat them in the season series last year, no chance..........oh wait. Also this is National League talk, where they play real baseball, AL fans go home. Master_Live
Oh I'm sorry, is that the same Dodgers that got killed by the Phillies 35-16 in 5 games? I'm sure Howard, Utley and Co. are shaking at the thought of facing Jonathan "The Choker" for a 3rd straight postseason and rip the hearts out of the Dodgers fanboys.

Runs matter? Playing in a little league park too? You could win by one run, lose by one run, Pats fans were bragging about running up the score and they ended up losing to the Giants :lol: The team is young, that was the first season Broxton was a closer :| Also the guy who said the Mets winning it is laughable? 2 years ago weren't they in the hunt at the end of the year? The Nationals would be laughable, but then again you never know in baseball it's unpredictable, the only thing that's laughable is Yanker fans bashing other teams, lets get a Salary cap and see how they talk. The Cards have a shot? The team that got swept? Sounds like something EastPN would say.

And what's the deal with your espn profile saying you like the Red Sox and Yankmees Masterlive?
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The Mets:lol:
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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yup, it's not like the Dodgers beat them in the season series last year, no chance..........oh wait. Also this is National League talk, where they play real baseball, AL fans go home. X360PS3AMD05
Oh I'm sorry, is that the same Dodgers that got killed by the Phillies 35-16 in 5 games? I'm sure Howard, Utley and Co. are shaking at the thought of facing Jonathan "The Choker" for a 3rd straight postseason and rip the hearts out of the Dodgers fanboys.

Runs matter? Playing in a little league park too? You could win by one run, lose by one run, Pats fans were bragging about running up the score and they ended up losing to the Giants :lol: The team is young, that was the first season Broxton was a closer :| Also the guy who said the Mets winning it is laughable? 2 years ago weren't they in the hunt at the end of the year? The Nationals would be laughable, but then again you never know in baseball it's unpredictable, the only thing that's laughable is Yanker fans bashing other teams, lets get a Salary cap and see how they talk. The Cards have a shot? The team that got swept? Sounds like something EastPN would say.

And what's the deal with your espn profile saying you like the Red Sox and Yankmees Masterlive?

Well the better a teams run differential the better the team is usually. So yes runs do matter.
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Despite The Mets being Mediocre, They have beaten the Phillies alot the past 2 years. They've taken the Season Series each time. Now whether the Mets Can Take away their status of being the NL Champs, It all depends if they are healthy and if Minaya can Pull off some Great Mid-Season trades. Other then The Mets I don't think anyone can compete with the Phillies.

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You do realize that the Mets would be lucky to win 85 games this year, right?
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Obviously it all comes down to injuries. If they stay health, they win the NL East for sure. Bravse have great pitching, but I don't like the moves they made over the offseason for hitting. Mets have no pitching. The Cards could win the NL pennant, and I think the Dodgers and maybe the Giants could be a challenge.
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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yup, it's not like the Dodgers beat them in the season series last year, no chance..........oh wait. Also this is National League talk, where they play real baseball, AL fans go home. X360PS3AMD05
Oh I'm sorry, is that the same Dodgers that got killed by the Phillies 35-16 in 5 games? I'm sure Howard, Utley and Co. are shaking at the thought of facing Jonathan "The Choker" for a 3rd straight postseason and rip the hearts out of the Dodgers fanboys.

And what's the deal with your espn profile saying you like the Red Sox and Yankmees Masterlive?

That way I can get the Red Sox lattest news in my "custom" ESPN page. Something about keeping your friend close but your enemies closer. Also if you look at "my teams" selection I got practically all the MLB teams available lol. So nothing fishy, just a baseball junky.
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#19 Master_Live
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[QUOTE="SonicBalla"]

Despite The Mets being Mediocre, They have beaten the Phillies alot the past 2 years. They've taken the Season Series each time. Now whether the Mets Can Take away their status of being the NL Champs, It all depends if they are healthy and if Minaya can Pull off some Great Mid-Season trades. Other then The Mets I don't think anyone can compete with the Phillies.

metswonin69
You do realize that the Mets would be lucky to win 85 games this year, right?

The Mets let so many quality guys go by: Randy Wolf, Joel Pi~ero, Bengie Molina, maybe eating Castillo's contract and sign Orlando Hudson. I get the Jason Bay signing(even if I don't agree with it) but I think they should had spread the money a little more.
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[QUOTE="metswonin69"][QUOTE="SonicBalla"]

Despite The Mets being Mediocre, They have beaten the Phillies alot the past 2 years. They've taken the Season Series each time. Now whether the Mets Can Take away their status of being the NL Champs, It all depends if they are healthy and if Minaya can Pull off some Great Mid-Season trades. Other then The Mets I don't think anyone can compete with the Phillies.

Master_Live

You do realize that the Mets would be lucky to win 85 games this year, right?

The Mets let so many quality guys go by: Randy Wolf, Joel Pi~ero, Bengie Molina, maybe eating Castillo's contract and sign Orlando Hudson. I get the Jason Bay signing(even if I don't agree with it) but I think they should had spread the money a little more.

Well Molina sucks, but even had they signed all of Hudson, Pineiro, and Wolf, they wouldn't have made the playoffs this year without a lot of luck. They still have a very bad bullpen with an average closer and their rotation would still be rather poor.

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Yup, it's not like the Dodgers beat them in the season series last year, no chance..........oh wait. Also this is National League talk, where they play real baseball, AL fans go home. X360PS3AMD05
If the NL was so dominant why can't they win their all-star game?
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Isn't the Mets payroll at 150 Mil? What do you mean they should have spent more :| Who says those guys are even worth the coin, the analysts think your team has no shot if you don't sign the guys they want you to, how often are they even right?
[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yup, it's not like the Dodgers beat them in the season series last year, no chance..........oh wait. Also this is National League talk, where they play real baseball, AL fans go home. CleanPlayer
If the NL was so dominant why can't they win their all-star game?

When did i say dominant? I said real baseball, as in no DH.
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The phillies are at the end of the day going to win close to 100 games. Its pretty much a foregone conclusion. Nobody else in the NL east is going to top 85 or so. They will pretty much be out of reach by the all star break im guessing.

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I believe the Mets can if they stay healthy.
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I believe the Mets can if they stay healthy. Fuhgeddabouditt
If every single Met stays healthy the entire year and does at least a decent job and the Phillies have bad luck, then yes the Mets will beat the Phillies. But other than that, the Phillies are much better than the Mets and it isn't even close.
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Considering the playoffs are nearly 100% luck, the Phillies only have about a 20-25% chance of repeating as NL Champs.

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Just curious, where do you get this statistic from? Luck always plays a role but I think that's overephasiving it.

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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yup, it's not like the Dodgers beat them in the season series last year, no chance..........oh wait. Also this is National League talk, where they play real baseball, AL fans go home. X360PS3AMD05
Oh I'm sorry, is that the same Dodgers that got killed by the Phillies 35-16 in 5 games? I'm sure Howard, Utley and Co. are shaking at the thought of facing Jonathan "The Choker" for a 3rd straight postseason and rip the hearts out of the Dodgers fanboys.

Runs matter? Playing in a little league park too? You could win by one run, lose by one run, Pats fans were bragging about running up the score and they ended up losing to the Giants :lol: The team is young, that was the first season Broxton was a closer :| Also the guy who said the Mets winning it is laughable? 2 years ago weren't they in the hunt at the end of the year? The Nationals would be laughable, but then again you never know in baseball it's unpredictable, the only thing that's laughable is Yanker fans bashing other teams, lets get a Salary cap and see how they talk. The Cards have a shot? The team that got swept? Sounds like something EastPN would say.

And what's the deal with your espn profile saying you like the Red Sox and Yankmees Masterlive?

You're obviously a glass half full guy. If you call the Mets epic collapse until the last game of the season being "in the hunt" then sure! lol. The Dodgers are a team that could be so much better if they actually spent money and went for big game players. Ramirez is garbage and most Dodgers fans are lukewarm on him at this point due to his antics. It doesn't help that he just stated he will definitely not be with the Dodgers after this season. There go his jersey sales. By the way, the Yankees don't pocket their money nearly as much as other teams. Maybe if the Dodgers invested more into the product on the field they might not lose to the same team two years in a row in the NLCS. The Phillies are literally the only NL organization that deserves respect and knows what they're doing.

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#28 metswonin69
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[QUOTE="metswonin69"]

Considering the playoffs are nearly 100% luck, the Phillies only have about a 20-25% chance of repeating as NL Champs.

DA_B0MB

Just curious, where do you get this statistic from? Luck always plays a role but I think that's overephasiving it.

Because even the worst team in baseball can beat the best team in baseball if their starting pitchers got hot at the right time. It has been theorized that the worst team in baseball would beat the best team in baseball in the LDS about 15% of the time.
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Alot of the People posting here don't know their facts and are a fan of their team rather then baseball. I understand the Phillies are great but it won't take a miracle to beat them. To me the teams with the best shot at beating them are the Dodgers, Cardinals, Rockies, Braves, and Mets. I also wouldn't count out the Diamondbacks who have a great rotation considering Brandon Webb stays Healthy.

And those who are laughing about the Mets shouldn't even say anything. I mean Ok They are missing pieces this year and they did come off a below .500 year and 2 collapses. But Right Now they are healthy and when they're healthy they have been for the most Part consistant. They have also had missing pieces before such as in 2006 where they made the playoffs without an Ace.

Don't Count anyone out especially the Mets as most of you have. If Hamels Struggles Continue next year they will pretty much have no one else other then Halladay(Don't know what to expect from Happ in his 2nd Full Season). If Rollins Struggles like last year they will lack a Catalyst to thier lineup. Utley has also shown SLIGHT decline. And Of course theres the question on how the bullpen will be considering Brad Lidge continues with his struggles.

Its like They Say....YA' GOTTA BELIEVE!

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The Phillies scored the most runs in the NL last season, 4th overall. Can't imagine what happens if their "catalyst" makes a comeback.
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Isn't the Mets payroll at 150 Mil? What do you mean they should have spent more :| Who says those guys are even worth the coin, the analysts think your team has no shot if you don't sign the guys they want you to, how often are they even right?
[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yup, it's not like the Dodgers beat them in the season series last year, no chance..........oh wait. Also this is National League talk, where they play real baseball, AL fans go home. CleanPlayer
If the NL was so dominant why can't they win their all-star game?

When did i say dominant? I said real baseball, as in no DH.

I can't argue with the DH rule, that rule is for pansies. It's almost as stupid as the All-star rule, whoever wins gets homefield advantage.
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[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Isn't the Mets payroll at 150 Mil? What do you mean they should have spent more :| Who says those guys are even worth the coin, the analysts think your team has no shot if you don't sign the guys they want you to, how often are they even right?
If the NL was so dominant why can't they win their all-star game?CleanPlayer
When did i say dominant? I said real baseball, as in no DH.

I can't argue with the DH rule, that rule is for pansies. It's almost as stupid as the All-star rule, whoever wins gets homefield advantage.

On paper it seems like a bad idea. In reality it's brilliant. Only a very small minority of pitchers are any form of a presence in the batters box. It's pretty pathetic to see a pitcher bat actually. It's not a fluke that they can't hit as a whole either. Pitchers pretty much don't even care for batting. Letting someone bat in place for a position that will never become an offensive force is great for everyone, especially the fans. Seeing your DH bop 30 HRS or striking out the other teams big bad bat is just too much fun. Hopefully one day the NL will get it's act together.
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LOL @ people that are for the DH. The DH sucks because it caters to what I like to call "Half ballplayers"(People that bat, but don't play the field, thus not being real baseball players and "half ballplayers". See David Ortiz) The DH is a stupid rule. Everyone should have to play a position and bat. Someone that just bats every 3 innings and then sits their fat ass on the bench while the team takes the field in no way shape or form should be called a baseball player.
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Alot of the People posting here don't know their facts and are a fan of their team rather then baseball. I understand the Phillies are great but it won't take a miracle to beat them. To me the teams with the best shot at beating them are the Dodgers, Cardinals, Rockies, Braves, and Mets. I also wouldn't count out the Diamondbacks who have a great rotation considering Brandon Webb stays Healthy.

And those who are laughing about the Mets shouldn't even say anything. I mean Ok They are missing pieces this year and they did come off a below .500 year and 2 collapses. But Right Now they are healthy and when they're healthy they have been for the most Part consistant. They have also had missing pieces before such as in 2006 where they made the playoffs without an Ace.

Don't Count anyone out especially the Mets as most of you have. If Hamels Struggles Continue next year they will pretty much have no one else other then Halladay(Don't know what to expect from Happ in his 2nd Full Season). If Rollins Struggles like last year they will lack a Catalyst to thier lineup. Utley has also shown SLIGHT decline. And Of course theres the question on how the bullpen will be considering Brad Lidge continues with his struggles.

Its like They Say....YA' GOTTA BELIEVE!

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Believe me, I probably know a lot more about the Mets than you do. This team is in NO way shape or form any better than the 2008 team. And the 2008 team had Reyes, Delgado, Wright, and Beltran all play in at least 159 games. That already won't happen this year with Reyes, Wright, Bay, and Beltran because Beltran is already hurt. The 2008 Mets were extremely lucky injury-wise and still only won 89 games. Now take a year with normal luck into account, and the 2010 Mets should win about 80 games or so.
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What a mess glitchspot.... On Manny - Which is a non-story since everyone already assumed he wouldn't be with the team after this season :roll: ESPN lame story. He's old, he has to go to the AL or retire. His wrist was injured so who says he's garbage?

[QUOTE="metswonin69"]

Considering the playoffs are nearly 100% luck, the Phillies only have about a 20-25% chance of repeating as NL Champs.

DA_B0MB

Just curious, where do you get this statistic from? Luck always plays a role but I think that's overephasiving it.

My guess is since his Mets lost Game 7 in 06 :lol: [QUOTE="-Halftime-"]LOL @ people that are for the DH. The DH sucks because it caters to what I like to call "Half ballplayers"(People that bat, but don't play the field, thus not being real baseball players and "half ballplayers". See David Ortiz) The DH is a stupid rule. Everyone should have to play a position and bat. Someone that just bats every 3 innings and then sits their fat ass on the bench while the team takes the field in no way shape or form should be called a baseball player.

Also a guy can throw at a hitter with no fear of retaliation.
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LOL @ people that are for the DH. The DH sucks because it caters to what I like to call "Half ballplayers"(People that bat, but don't play the field, thus not being real baseball players and "half ballplayers". See David Ortiz) The DH is a stupid rule. Everyone should have to play a position and bat. Someone that just bats every 3 innings and then sits their fat ass on the bench while the team takes the field in no way shape or form should be called a baseball player.-Halftime-
It's very rare that a pitcher establishes note worthy batting stats. You're neglecting the fact that pitchers as a whole bring little to the table offensively. You make it sound as if pitchers hitting makes for significantly greater entertainment. The DH makes the sport more fun. I'm not sure if you forgot to consider that aspect of it due to your apparent apparent frustration with the AL's incongruence with the NL's rules.

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]LOL @ people that are for the DH. The DH sucks because it caters to what I like to call "Half ballplayers"(People that bat, but don't play the field, thus not being real baseball players and "half ballplayers". See David Ortiz) The DH is a stupid rule. Everyone should have to play a position and bat. Someone that just bats every 3 innings and then sits their fat ass on the bench while the team takes the field in no way shape or form should be called a baseball player.DA_B0MB

It's very rare that a pitcher establishes note worthy batting stats. You're neglecting the fact that pitchers as a whole bring little to the table offensively. You make it sound as if pitchers hitting makes for significantly greater entertainment. The DH makes the sport more fun. I'm not sure if you forgot to consider that aspect of it due to your apparent apparent frustration with the AL's incongruence with the NL's rules.

The DH also gives the American League an unfair advantage in interleague play, and effectively removes a lot of the strategy in managing a baseball game.
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]LOL @ people that are for the DH. The DH sucks because it caters to what I like to call "Half ballplayers"(People that bat, but don't play the field, thus not being real baseball players and "half ballplayers". See David Ortiz) The DH is a stupid rule. Everyone should have to play a position and bat. Someone that just bats every 3 innings and then sits their fat ass on the bench while the team takes the field in no way shape or form should be called a baseball player.DA_B0MB

It's very rare that a pitcher establishes note worthy batting stats. You're neglecting the fact that pitchers as a whole bring little to the table offensively. You make it sound as if pitchers hitting makes for significantly greater entertainment. The DH makes the sport more fun. I'm not sure if you forgot to consider that aspect of it due to your apparent apparent frustration with the AL's incongruence with the NL's rules.

So more entertainment= Better? No offense dude but I don't see it that way. The new NFL rules make the offenses score more points and make games higher scoring and more entertaining, but if you ask me, the league was one million times better with the old rules. Ditto with the lame no hand checking rule in the NBA. Just because it makes it more entertaining doesn't mean it's a good rule. The DH takes so much strategy out of a baseball game. And the fact that someone that doesn't play defense can be called a baseball player is hilarious. The MLB should think about it's hardcore fans that love the game rather than casuals that want to see more scoring. Not calling you a casual fan, just saying.
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No...my phillies are winning it all this year

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Bogus way of scoring more runs and making it "more fun" to the casual fan who they want to bring in, the DH is the Wii of sports lol. It's simple for me, if a guy plays defense then he should have to play offense.
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Bogus way of scoring more runs and making it "more fun" to the casual fan who they want to bring in, the DH is the Wii of sports lol. It's simple for me, if a guy plays defense then he should have to play offense. X360PS3AMD05
It's the same way for me.
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I'm scratching my head as to why the Giants are on the poll. I mean, yeah, they have one of the best rotations in the National League, but they had the same rotation last year and they finished 3rd. Who did they add to their line-up besides Mark DeRosa this off-season?

The Phillies will easily win the East, Cardinals will win the Central, Dodgers will win the West with Colorado winning the Wild Card (or the other way around). Don't know who is going to win the pennant, but I think any of these four teams have a chance.

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#43 X360PS3AMD05
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Derosa and maybe Huff? :lol: The Panda was hittin the orange chicken and came in 20 lbs heavier i heard, the gaggers are a threat to finish in 3rd if you ask me.