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Ok, admittedly college ball is not my thing (some might say, neither is pro!), ha,ha. Anyway, although I know some of the bigger names and a little about what they've done in college I need to rely on some of you "experts" to help me out. Questions:

1) Is Blake Griffin legit, will his talent translate well to the NBA game? Does he have any decent offensive skills besides dunking? Short "J"? He seems atheletic enough and plays with energy. Any past or current NBA'ers you would compare him to?

2) Tyler Hansbrough, how big is he , is he a power forward or small forwqard? If SF, can he handle the ball? I know he has heart/energy/hustle..etc, is that enough to be an impact player in the NBA as opposed to a nice sub off the bench? Who does he compare to in the NBA, past or present?

3) S Curry- Can he get his shot off in the NBA? I think so because he looks like a very good ball handler and is very quick and slick with the ball, accurate?? Can he play point? Defense? Who does he compare to in the NBA, past or present?

4) Thabeet- Looks like the 2nd coming of Mutumbo, accurate? Has he ever shown any offensive skills? Can he gain some? I heard he played soccer, so he should have good foot movement??

5) Any real talented "sleepers" out there? Most under-rated/Most Over-rated players?

6) Will any decent players be around at the 13th pick where my sad but improving Pacers pick? Who would be a good choice for them?

7) Biggest potential "Bust"??

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#2 dodgerblue13

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1. He's probably the most legit in the draft--at least in terms of certainty. He's going to have to learn how to shoot from further than two feet from the hoop because he can't simply over-power NBA fours and fives. He really doesn't have anything and I really don't recall him hitting a jumper during the season. Maybe like a young Antonio McDyess with no jumper. 2. He's 6-9, 230; he can't defend SFs in the NBA and his handles won't allow him to slide up to the three either. Energy players are impact players, as in Anderson Varejao, but there's a difference between impact player and a stud. I really don't see Hansbrough being a stud in the NBA. The consensus is a Luis Scola. 3. Anyone can get his shot off in the NBA if his team works for him. Spot up shooters--Sasha Vujacic, Eddie House, for example--can earn a spot on a roster because of open shots. Curry can create more than those types and hit his open shots. He's probably best fit for point because he won't handle most two-guards on defense. I've seen him compared to Mike Bibby pretty often. 4. He really has no offensive skills or moves, but he can learn a few moves. He hasn't been playing basketball that long so he's probably still capable of adding to his game. And height like that is hard to ignore. Picks based on height tend to be criticized if they don't pan out, but Shawn Bradley was considered a bust and he's 11th on the all-time blocks list. Height gets you something even if you're horrible. 5. Some sleepers I like: Sam Young, SF, Pitt; Eric Maynor, PG, Virginia Commonwealth, Gerald Henderson, SG, Duke (really hasn't gotten much attention, but he's as athletic as anyone.) Overrated players: Jrue Holiday, G, UCLA; BJ Mullens, C, Ohio State; Tyler Hansbrough, PF, UNC (sorry, I just don't know how well he'll translate from his draw contact, flip the ball in the hoop offense to the NBA. Yes, he'll get his share of continuations, but he'll get hit much harder and won't have a size advantage over most defenders like in college.) 6. Henderson, Earl Clark, Brandon Jennings, Terrence Williams, DeJuan Blair should be available around then. Keep an eye out for them. 7. Many people think Jrue Holiday and Jordan Hill are pretty overrated and are expected to go top ten.

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1) Blake Griffin is legit. He's the best thing out of this weak draft this year, the nba player he reminds me a lot of is Amare Stoudemire because they're both very athletic and they both play near the rim. He doesn't really have a medium Jay yet but like Amare I think he will get one down because he still has a lot of room to grow 2) Tyler is definitely a PF, he's a hustle type player. He reminds me most of Mark Madsen (lol). A guy that is going to come off the bench and give you energy. He handles the ball well for his size. I think he'll make a quick impact on any team that decides to pick him up 3) Curry is interesting because he is receiving the same questions JJ reddick received when he was coming out of Duke. There is no doubt he can shoot lights out but does he have the other intangibles that will make him a future all star in this league? I don't think so but that doesn't mean he's not NBA ready. He reminds me of rip hamilton because of his smaller size but with longer range, the problem is his defense won't hold up that well with the bigger guards in this league. 4) I would say that's a pretty accurate comparison. Thabeet reminds me a lot of Mutumbo, he knows what his strength is and that's playing defense. Will he develop an offensive game? If he does it won't be for a LONG time. So basically anyone that drafts him should only be looking for someone that will help defend down low and not much else 5) Most Underrated: Gerald Henderson. Versatile, he can shoot, he is a high flyer, teams shouldn't be sleepin' on him. Most overrated: not sure 6) Ty Lawson should be pretty much a lock for the Pacers if he is still available. He's the type of player the Pacers need because he can penetrate, he has a nice mid range jumper, and he's lightning quick 7) Out of the top 3 I'd say Thabeet has the biggest chance to be a bust

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I believe Griffin will do just fine in the NBA. He will be a starter and probably average 15 and 7 his rookie year which is a good start. Tyler doesn't seem to have a good set of offensive skills for the NBA. He could get his way in college but so did so many other PF's that didn't do well in the NBA. Probably a bench player or starter on a crap team. Curry can shoot as well as anyone, so as long as he keeps working on his dribble and drive moves he could develop into a reggie miller type player. But pure shooting will only get you so far. Look at JJ Redick, he hasn't exactly lit up the NBA has he. And Morrison is just watching the Lakers win without him even stepping on the court. Thabeet seems similar to Theo Ratliff back in his glory days of 2000. Guy blocked shots and played excellent defense, but was traded for Mutombo when the Sixers made the Finals run against the Lakers in 2000. He'll be alright. A a guy who might become way better then he was in college is probably Gerald Henderson since he can still develop his outside game and improve his drive to the basket. Look for him to be a Maggette like player. I think people have softened on Lawson lately with Griffin and company getting all the attention but I would take Lawson on my team cause he could be the next Chris Paul if he works hard enough. The NBA has so many busts it isn't even funny. Just think for every 1 player that makes a starting spot on a roster, there is like 10 that won't.

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The biggest busts will be whomever the Timberwolves Pick with the exception of anyone they trade immediately.

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#6 dodgerblue13

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The biggest busts will be whomever the Timberwolves Pick with the exception of anyone they trade immediately.duxup

I love their draft history. It's so horrendous.

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[QUOTE="duxup"]The biggest busts will be whomever the Timberwolves Pick with the exception of anyone they trade immediately.dodgerblue13

I love their draft history. It's so horrendous.

It defies even mathematics. Anyone picked by them should immediately wonder if they are in fact that bad, and then accept that they are.

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Tyler is definitely a PF, he's a hustle type player. He reminds me most of Mark Madsen (lol). andyboiii

"Mark Madsen", Kinda what I thought from the very limited clips I've seen of him:) But as I've said in the past, hustle and heart goes a long way with me. That's why I like (respected) Turiaf so much.

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[QUOTE="andyboiii"]Tyler is definitely a PF, he's a hustle type player. He reminds me most of Mark Madsen (lol). mont13

"Mark Madsen", Kinda what I thought from the very limited clips I've seen of him:) But as I've said in the past, hustle and heart goes a long way with me. That's why I like (respected) Turiaf so much.

I can see that. I think overall, Tyler will be a more skilled player, but this is a reasonable comparison. Hopefully Tyler is a better dancer.

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#10 Orlando_Magic

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[QUOTE="duxup"]The biggest busts will be whomever the Timberwolves Pick with the exception of anyone they trade immediately.dodgerblue13

I love their draft history. It's so horrendous.

You gotta give them some credit for drafting KG out of high school though ;)

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[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"][QUOTE="duxup"]The biggest busts will be whomever the Timberwolves Pick with the exception of anyone they trade immediately.Orlando_Magic

I love their draft history. It's so horrendous.

You gotta give them some credit for drafting KG out of high school though ;)

The thing is that is IT, that's IT. That is all they've ever done with the draft. Aside from that everyone they pick is a bum (sans one dude they traded quickly). It is an insanely consistent record.

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#12 dodgerblue13

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[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"][QUOTE="duxup"]The biggest busts will be whomever the Timberwolves Pick with the exception of anyone they trade immediately.Orlando_Magic

I love their draft history. It's so horrendous.

You gotta give them some credit for drafting KG out of high school though ;)

Yes, yes. I almost included the KG bit. But Ray Allen, Brandon Roy, OJ Mayo, Mario Chalmers, Wally Szczerbiak, Donyell Marshall, and Christian Laettner are some notable names called by the T'Wolves and pretty much anything that they contributed to the NBA came outside of Minnesota. The few times they get talent it's only there for two or three years tops.

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What about Brandon Jennings? Has he hurt his stock going to Europe and not playing that well. Or was he even high on anyone's list from the start?

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Oh man the Wolves traded for more picks. Some other poor dude will become a bum now.

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#15 Bootylicious

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Oh man the Wolves traded for more picks. Some other poor dude will become a bum now. duxup

kevin mchale is gone so maybe they will pick the right guys this time and not trade them away. :)

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[QUOTE="duxup"]Oh man the Wolves traded for more picks. Some other poor dude will become a bum now. Bootylicious

kevin mchale is gone so maybe they will pick the right guys this time and not trade them away. :)

Dare to dream!

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[QUOTE="mont13"]

Ok, admittedly college ball is not my thing (some might say, neither is pro!), ha,ha. Anyway, although I know some of the bigger names and a little about what they've done in college I need to rely on some of you "experts" to help me out. Questions:

1) Is Blake Griffin legit, will his talent translate well to the NBA game? Does he have any decent offensive skills besides dunking? Short "J"? He seems atheletic enough and plays with energy. Any past or current NBA'ers you would compare him to?

2) Tyler Hansbrough, how big is he , is he a power forward or small forwqard? If SF, can he handle the ball? I know he has heart/energy/hustle..etc, is that enough to be an impact player in the NBA as opposed to a nice sub off the bench? Who does he compare to in the NBA, past or present?

3) S Curry- Can he get his shot off in the NBA? I think so because he looks like a very good ball handler and is very quick and slick with the ball, accurate?? Can he play point? Defense? Who does he compare to in the NBA, past or present?

4) Thabeet- Looks like the 2nd coming of Mutumbo, accurate? Has he ever shown any offensive skills? Can he gain some? I heard he played soccer, so he should have good foot movement??

5) Any real talented "sleepers" out there? Most under-rated/Most Over-rated players?

6) Will any decent players be around at the 13th pick where my sad but improving Pacers pick? Who would be a good choice for them?

7) Biggest potential "Bust"??

Man i'm glad you said "some might say, neither is pro" cause you lobbed that one up for me. I was ready to repeat that word for word. LOL. Lucky for you my pal, my college bball knowledge exceeds my NBA knowledge by far. So lets start... 1) Blake Griffin is an athlete PERIOD. He has ZERO fundamental offensive skill. Someone said in this post he reminds them of a young Amare Stoudamire, i can buy that to an extent cause of his athletic ability, but even though amare didn't have the 15ft jumper he has now, he still had great touch around the rim. I'm going back a little further. Griffin reminds me of a young Shawn Kemp (circa 1992). If Griffin can develop into what Kemp was in the mid to late 90's i'd be impressed. With that being said, i don't think he will. He could be a bust. I'll get back to that later 2)Hansbrough unfourtunately for him is a power forward. Him and Griffin are pretty much the same height and weight as Lebron James (which is scary to think about). Hansbrough will be in the league for a while cause he is skilled and he does hustle which will make up for his lack of athleticism, height, and REALLY short arms for his size. I think the Mark Madsen comparison is unfair. Hansbrough is far more skilled than Madsen ever was, and to his credit, played against the best competition day in day out for 4 years for one of the best programs in the country. I got the perfect comparison for Hansbrough and you don't have to look that far down the road. He was player of the year just like Hansbrough, played for one of the best programs just like Hansbrough, won the championship just like Hansbrough, etc. - Hansbrough is a more physical Christian Laettner. Laettner was in the league for 14 years and actually made an All Star team one year. I'm not sure if Tyler can make an All Star team, but he'll be around for a while. 3)Yes, definitively. Still needs to work on point guard skills but that will come, he hasn't been playing that position but for one year. Defense is mostly effort so that remains to be seen how hard he works at that end. I like the bibby comparison, Not as thick as bibby but he's quicker than bibby. Now Bibby in his Kings days was one of the most clutch players in the league, i don't know if Steph will be like that. 4)Congratulations Mont, 2 years in and i finally agree with you. That's EXACTLY who he is. Not the old Mutumbo that is fresh in everyone's mind now, but the young and more active defensive player of the year, multiple All Star, Denver Nugget and Atlanta Hawks, Dikembe. Mutumbo was 4 time defensive player of the year and 8 time all star and will be a borderline hall of famer when his time comes. I don't know if Thabeet has all that in him, but from a comparison point he's the best one. 5) Sleepers? I'm sure there will be a few but i just have one name for you and everybody else - Patrick Mills (St. Mary's). He's got Tony Parker written all over him in 4-5 years. 6)Oh so you're a Pacers fan. Now i understand the hatred towards Jordan. It all makes sense now. I don't know your teams situation. I haven't seen any draft projections, but if i'm not mistaken Troy Murphy is one of, if not your number one rebounder, and he's a perimeter big. Your team doesn't have any toughness or bangers. So just off the top of my head Dejuan Blair would seem like a good fit, but i'd have to look further in depth to your team to give the best answer. 7) This brings me back to number 1. Very rarely do you see someone say the 7th or 8th pick is a bust. Busts are usually left for the 1 and 2 picks. Examples Sam Bowie, Pervis Ellison, Michael Olawakandi, Kwame Brown, Darko Milic, etc. So with that being said the biggest "POTENTIAL" bust is Blake Griffin since by all accounts he is SUPPOSED to be the CLEAR CUT BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT. If James Harden flops nobody will be looking back in 10 years to say "man he was a bust", but if Griffin does, well we know how that goes. I don't THINK he will, but he is the biggest potential bust. In conclusion, this is a VERY POOR draft in my opinion. I see very few potential all stars let alone superstars. But we'll see. See ya next year Monty time to start focusing on my favorite sport - MLB

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#18 Master_Live

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I'm not sold on Griffin, yet. Its just a hunch.

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Man i'm glad you said "some might say, neither is pro" cause you lobbed that one up for me. I was ready to repeat that word for word. LOL. Lucky for you my pal, my college bball knowledge exceeds my NBA knowledge by far."

Yep, I put that in there specifically with you in mind, cause I got your "number" homey;), and I gotta lob you a soft ball now and then so you can feel good about yourself and not have that "defeated" feeling, when trying to match wits with the "Yoda" of Pro ball,feel me?;)

Pacers fan??? Well, lets not go tooo far:P I do live in naptown and have "hopes" for them to do well. But I'm honest about being more of a "fair weather" fan, if you will. Sorry, I'm not one to support a team "no matter what". You have to be trying, playing smart, dedicated, professional...etc. I did jump on the band wagon the last few years because I think they are finally going in the right direction with Granger & co, while getting rid of most of the "thug life" crew....

Jordan and the Bulls beating the Pacers, naw, that's not my motivation for my Scorched Earth MJ"hating", aka truth,Campaign. It was nice to see the Pacers take ya boy, his "Inflated Airness", to 2 minutes remaining in the 7th game though, before the refs...uhh I mean MJ took over...

Yes, your college knowledge does far exceed your NBA "knowledge", sorta like"Fifty" far exceeds "Zero":lol: (I can hit soft balls too)!. Hey, thanks for the draft info, maybe I can use you as a source of info on the MINOR leagues this time each year;)

P.S.- Since you didn't take the hint earlier, and if you must know, my "anti" MJ campaign concerns "The Doctah", as well as the truth of it all, but mostly it's the truth that motivates me.

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Agree that Hansbrough is more skilled than Madsen, just that the hyper activity seems similar in a funny way to me. Madsen played like a chicken with it's head cut off:lol:

Curry: Remeber Chris Jackson (Mahmoud Abdul Rauf), that's who Curry reminds me of in some ways. I hear Curry is actually taller than initially reported, that would be a plus for him. I really think he will do very well in the NBA.

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#21 dodgerblue13

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[QUOTE="duxup"]Oh man the Wolves traded for more picks. Some other poor dude will become a bum now. Bootylicious

kevin mchale is gone so maybe they will pick the right guys this time and not trade them away. :)

AHAHAHA. Rubio, Flynn, Lawson. Lawson is going elsewhere. So Lawson will flourish and Flynn and sadly Rubio will end up being busts unless they get out of Minnesota within two years.

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