New York Fans!

I know there has to be like hella lot of fans so i know you new york fans have to be rejoicing because of the knicks. i know all you denver haters are all like melo sucks and all but ny fans just seem to love him fine after that game winning shot he hit yesterday. so an obvious question to new york knick fans how far do you think the knicks will go in the play offs?

They won't get past the first round... If the Playoffs started now, they would play the Heat (a team who I think will win the series in 6 or 7 games). The only other teams that they could face in the first round is Boston and the Bulls, teams who I also feel are better.

If the Knicks want to get pass the first round, they will have to be the 5 seed and play the Magic, who I think they can beat.

All of the top 4 teams are better than them, but the future is certainly bright if they add a couple pieces.-Halftime-

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]All of the top 4 teams are better than them, but the future is certainly bright if they add a couple pieces.E3Abe09

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]All of the top 4 teams are better than them, but the future is certainly bright if they add a couple pieces.E3Abe09

ok lets see how they play against dallas and that should answer it they could beat an elite team in the east

2nd round at best

[QUOTE="E3Abe09"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"]All of the top 4 teams are better than them, but the future is certainly bright if they add a couple pieces.-Halftime-

the way the heat are playing right NOW they might move down a couple of seeds before the play offs begin E3Abe09

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="E3Abe09"] if you actually think that your wrong if you watch the knicks you would know that they can take out the heat and the magic theres only 2 teams that can beat them in the east the bulls and the celticsFuhgeddabouditt

ok lets see how they play against dallas and that should answer it they could beat an elite team in the east

E3Abe09

[QUOTE="E3Abe09"]

ok lets see how they play against dallas and that should answer it they could beat an elite team in the east

No_Hablo_Ingles

I'd be shocked if we made it out of the first round. I see us a tough out though.

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"] LOL, dude, you guys play no defense, you're not beating any of those teams. It would be a good series,and I'm not saying that they're gonna get swept or get their asses kicked, but they're not gonna win a series against Boston, Orlando,Miami, or the Bulls-Halftime-

He doesn't ignore defense. He's mic'd up every game, and in the huddle he's always yelling at players about defense. If anything, he just flat out stinks at implementing a good defensive system.

The Knicks are under 500 since the Melo trade... have lost to the Cavs and Pacers twice... and to each at MSG.... to the Pistons and the Bucks. Besides the Pacers the other teams are pretty awful. You want to talk about the Knicks making a run in the playoffs? Maybe they could get a game or two if they click 100%... but my money is on them being embarrassed and an early exit in the first RD. No D = no W's come playoff time.

I'd be shocked if the Knicks make it out of the first round. Sure they have a few really good players and can potentially beat any of the top eastern teams on a given night, but not in a series. They are just too shallow and inconsistant to take out any of the top seeds in a 7 game series.

The Knicks play good against great teams, bad against bad teams. Its a weird team but im still staying put on they at least winning the first round if they make it in. Fuhgeddabouditt

I've been watching the Nuggets do this the last few years. I think last year they had the best record against teams .500 and above, but frequently got beat by sub .500 teams. Not saying that it was soley the fault of Melo or Billups, but they did handle the ball the most in Denver. Hopefully they get it figured out, I don't like to see them struggling so much.

There is no way they are getting past the Heat or Celtics in the first round, depends on who takes the 2nd seed.

The Knicks are under 500 since the Melo trade... have lost to the Cavs and Pacers twice... and to each at MSG.... to the Pistons and the Bucks. Besides the Pacers the other teams are pretty awful. You want to talk about the Knicks making a run in the playoffs? Maybe they could get a game or two if they click 100%... but my money is on them being embarrassed and an early exit in the first RD. No D = no W's come playoff time.

ohjtbehaaave

I'll just quote myself instead of repeating myself. The Knicks are beating nobody in the playoffs. To continue their streak of being pitiful they just lost to the Bucks at MSG and tonight to the Bobcats. And is it me or do teams and players on the other team break a new team record every game now against the Knicks? I don't know if a new coach can fix this team. They just get outplayed and outworked. That's the players... not the coach.

There was an article in a NY paper saying that C.Anthony is starting to looking like Stephan Marbury 2.0... and basically following right in Marbury's path. And for all those saying the Knicks need time to gel may be waiting a very long time. Because this IS the Knicks team for this year and next year. They have NO cap room whatsoever and can add nobody of impact to improve the team. To me the proof is in the pudding. Denver has played fantastic basketball since unloading Melo and Billups... and the Knicks have been so bad it's mind boggling really. And Billups who played great his first few games for NY... now just looks old and lost trying to run this Knicks team at the point. It's hilarious and actually ridiculous how quick the d-bag Knicks owner raised the prices of tickets 49% the minute they got Melo... and the team is actually WORSE now!!!

After the NBA has a lockout and new CBA... there's no way the Knicks can add another star player. If they are smart they will add some quality depth and try and find a serviceable big man or two. And no way will a guy like CP3 come to the Knicks at a 'discount'. These guys are ALL about getting paid first and foremost.

The problem with Melo after watching him for his time on the Knicks... is he's not very team oriented. He forces way to many bad shots... or tries to drive to the basket 1 on 3 instead of finding the open man. I'm not saying he isn't an All Star talent.... but he needs to change his game and selfish play for it to work in NY. Nobody cares about your big stat line Melo when it comes in losses to the Cavs, Bucks and Bobcats. It's about winning... not stats. Melo should concentrate on playing some D instead of worrying about getting his 25 shots a night.

The big winners in the Melo trade were...

1) The Nuggets... who are playing awesome since the deal.

2) The Nets... who got D.Williams as the consolation prize... and who makes a team/everyone around him better.

3) Any other team in the trade talks like the Rockets who would have over payed to get C.Anthony.

You know... as a Rockets fan, I'm kind of happy that Melo didn't become a Rocket. Not because Melo isn't a great player, he is one of the few true NBA superstars IMO, but rather because of how much the Rockets would of had to give up for Melo and Billups. The Rockets would not be in the playoff hunt if they traded Scola, Martin, Lowery, Patterson, etc. for Melo and Billups. Looks like the Rockets made a pretty smart move. The Knicks still have a good future with two stars, and may have room to add someone like CP3 seeing as Billups is going to retire or be a free agent in 2012 taking 13 million off the books.No_Hablo_Ingles

But Melo doesnt play defense and he needs the ball to be effective, I don't think adding a pg will really dramatically make the team better.

I feel bad for Amare. I've always liked him and he seems like a nice guy and the trade is just erasing all the work he did to bring the Knicks into the Playoffs. They'll still make it but they're going in weaker than expected.

I don't like Carmelo but I he is a really good player. I think the Knicks just gave up too much. Billups wasn't really needed. He is not "Mr. Bigshot" anymore and if I remember he didnt even wanna leave Denver.

Before the trade all the Knicks were really clicking because of their young players and the leadership of Amare. Take that and bring in Carmelo's extra scoring and they would of been great.

2 Stars with good youung players (who were only getting better)...doesnt get much better that. Why they thought they needed Billups and the others to follow is beyond me.

It's no wonder Denver is lighting up the scoreboard now without himohjtbehaaave

Goes to show you... Denver's success is a product of George Karl's system and coaching... not Melo.ohjtbehaaave

The only stat you need after the Melo trade is... The 12-4 Nuggets are crushing teams and are the highest scoring team in the league WITHOUT C.Anthony... the 7-12 Knicks WITH Melo are on a SEVEN game losing streak and many of the losses are to the worst teams in the League. It's pretty easy math really. And now with Melo and Billups in the mix... Amare's game is totally going down hill. Knicks fans can forget this year. They better pray they can help the roster next year. This team is going to get hammered in the playoffs... if they even get there! Let's see if they can win another game first.ohjtbehaaave

It's a cop out to always blame the coach. The Knicks haven't even been in many of these games since the Melo trade. It's not just the bad D... It's Bad Offense.. and bad EVERYTHING! Like Effort. They've been getting out hustled and outplayed during this 7 game losing streak. That's the coaches fault?

Defense is about effort. I'm sure you guys have played sports before... and especially Hoops... and Defense is about giving a big effort by each guy.... not something a coach has to teach for a player to be good at. If you've watched Melo on the Knicks so far... he almost gives the body language like.... you want me to score 25 a night AND PLAY D? Get real... that's not my game. :roll:

So far the Knicks are playing decent tonight against an undermanned Magic team. Only up by 4 though at the half.

Yeah... no. With a coach that isn't named D'antoni, maybe that would be legit... but seeing as he was the Coach of the Phoenix Suns who played no defense, it's becoming a trend...

The Knicks haven't even been in many of these games since the Melo trade. It's not just the bad D... It's Bad Offense.. and bad EVERYTHING! ohjtbehaaave

Defense is about effort. I'm sure you guys have played sports before... and especially Hoops... and Defense is about giving a big effort by each guy.... not something a coach has to teach for a player to be good at.ohjtbehaaave

So far the Knicks are playing decent tonight against an undermanned Magic team. Only up by 4 though at the half.

ohjtbehaaave

The Knicks played 'better D' last night... and Melo had a solid game... although he still took way to many bad shots... and the bottom line is they still struggled to BARELY beat a totally undermanned Magic team. The refs also screwed the Magic in this game fouling out D.Howard who was dominating late on a weak call... and calling a Magic player for a foul way down the court just when a 3 pointer tied the game late in OT. It was actually the turning point of the game. Turned out it was Melo who grabbed the Magic player and basically tackled him to the floor and should have been called for the foul... but the ref called the retaliation grab on the Magic player. Horrendous call that cost the Magic huge.

Ya never throw back a "W"... but this win was almost a loss to a Magic team missing half their players. Not that impressive. And I'm no fan of D'Antoni... but last night the D effort was there for the most part because guys like Melo played HARD on the defensive end. It's a mindset playing D... not some big coaching philosophy. The players have to bring it every night. With that said... they should take the "D" out of D'Antoni's name! ;)Mike Antoni.

And the Knicks scoring an average of 105 points is equal to a Football team that average 24 points a game and loses 48-24 most weeks. Or a baseball team that averages 5 runs a game and loses most games 8-5. The only stat that matters is WINS! Stats are meaningless for losing teams.

In close games, there is no better closer in the regular season then Kobe.No_Hablo_Ingles

I fixed your typo for ya :wink:

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]In close games, there is no better closer in the regular season then Melo.wildcat2000

I fixed your typo for ya :wink:

These playoff teams with big men are going to abuse the Knicks. .ohjtbehaaave

[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]In close games, there is no better closer in the regular season then Melo.No_Hablo_Ingles

I fixed your typo for ya :wink:

:lol: ...oh you're being serious... :|

[QUOTE="ohjtbehaaave"]These playoff teams with big men are going to abuse the Knicks. .No_Hablo_Ingles

Absolutely. People forget the Heat are still a work in progress too. I'd even give the Knicks a game or two vs the Heat. If the Knicks can get game 3 at MSG... the place will be rocking the rafters like the old days. I just think Wade will abuse Billups who now looks slow and old all of a sudden after his injury. I think of the top 4 teams in the East Miami is for sure the Knicks best matchup in RD 1.