Why do teams try stuff like Spygate or Bountygate? Maybe this could have worked 30 years ago. But in this day and age, it is nearly impossible to get away with anything.
Jonathan Vilma put up 10,000 dollars for the player who knocks Favre out of the NFC Championship game. This is going to get really ugly, really quickly.
Why do teams try stuff like Spygate or Bountygate? Maybe this could have worked 30 years ago. But in this day and age, it is nearly impossible to get away with anything. monkeytoes61
Exactly. This is the last type of scandal you want on your hands with Goodell as commish to, as player safety is perhaps is biggest hallmark.
[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]I was just coming in to post this topic. >_> But I guess we can officially refer to them as the dirtiest team in the NFL.You're kidding yourself if you think the Packers haven't targeted a team's best player with the intent to hurt him.
[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"]I was just coming in to post this topic. >_> But I guess we can officially refer to them as the dirtiest team in the NFL.You're kidding yourself if you think the Packers haven't targeted a team's best player with the intent to hurt him. Are they being accused of having such bounties? Nope. Until they're accused of paying bounties for hurting players, it's just football. Hard hits happen all the time.
[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]I was just coming in to post this topic. >_> But I guess we can officially refer to them as the dirtiest team in the NFL.Silverbond
You're kidding yourself if you think the Packers haven't targeted a team's best player with the intent to hurt him.
:lol: Don't be sad that your dirty Aints got caught doing what you should not be doing.
[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]I was just coming in to post this topic. >_> But I guess we can officially refer to them as the dirtiest team in the NFL. Other teams have now been accused of have such bounties. Dungy said today that the Titans had one on Peyton, and 4 former Redskins said they had such a thing when Williams was their DC. Whether the NFL investigates that though, who knows. So I don't think the Saints are the dirtiest. But this is awful. Dungy: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/dungy-titans-had-a-bounty-on-peyton-manning/ Redskins: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-offered-bounties-for-big-hits-under-former-assistant-coach-gregg-williams/2012/03/02/gIQAH0RlnR_story.html This thing seems to follow Williams around. It will be...idk, interesting(?) to see what happens with him back with Fisher in STL.
[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"]I was just coming in to post this topic. >_> But I guess we can officially refer to them as the dirtiest team in the NFL.Ngamer05
You're kidding yourself if you think the Packers haven't targeted a team's best player with the intent to hurt him.
:lol: Don't be sad that your dirty Aints got caught doing what you should not be doing.
The players were being incentivised (is that a word?) to do what they should already be doing. Laying out hard hits. The Saints are going to be the example, but every team does this. Don't be delusional now. Which one your teams was it that got destroyed by the Saints this season? Lmao.
The players were being incentivised (is that a word?) to do what they should already be doing. Laying out hard hits. The Saints are going to be the example, but every team does this. Don't be delusional now. Which one your teams was it that got destroyed by the Saints this season? Lmao.Silverbond
You're the delusional one thinking other teams are doing the same classless actions the Saints got caught doing. Just can't wait to hear what Goodell thinks and what the ramifications will be.
[QUOTE="Silverbond"]The players were being incentivised (is that a word?) to do what they should already be doing. Laying out hard hits. The Saints are going to be the example, but every team does this. Don't be delusional now. Which one your teams was it that got destroyed by the Saints this season? Lmao.Ngamer05
You're the delusional one thinking other teams are doing the same classless actions the Saints got caught doing. Just can't wait to hear what Goodell thinks and what the ramifications will be.
btw my team is and will always be the Panthers :D
Read my post. There ARE other teams doing, or have done this.
[QUOTE="Silverbond"]The players were being incentivised (is that a word?) to do what they should already be doing. Laying out hard hits. The Saints are going to be the example, but every team does this. Don't be delusional now. Which one your teams was it that got destroyed by the Saints this season? Lmao.JohnBean42
You're the delusional one thinking other teams are doing the same classless actions the Saints got caught doing. Just can't wait to hear what Goodell thinks and what the ramifications will be.
btw my team is and will always be the Panthers :D
Read my post. There ARE other teams doing, or have done this.
Ok so the Redskins and MAYBE the Titans.
My point was really about silver insinuating that these heinous actions are normal and that every team is guilty of doing similar acts. I just don't believe it until I hear/see otherwise.
[QUOTE="Silverbond"]You're kidding yourself if you think the Packers haven't targeted a team's best player with the intent to hurt him.Silverbond
:lol: Don't be sad that your dirty Aints got caught doing what you should not be doing.
The players were being incentivised (is that a word?) to do what they should already be doing. Laying out hard hits. The Saints are going to be the example, but every team does this. Don't be delusional now. Which one your teams was it that got destroyed by the Saints this season? Lmao.And every team did the same things as the Pats did with Spygate according to many Pats fan, and even if that is true, which it obviously isn't, does not mean the actions are defendable.
[QUOTE="Silverbond"]The players were being incentivised (is that a word?) to do what they should already be doing. Laying out hard hits. The Saints are going to be the example, but every team does this. Don't be delusional now. Which one your teams was it that got destroyed by the Saints this season? Lmao.JohnBean42
You're the delusional one thinking other teams are doing the same classless actions the Saints got caught doing. Just can't wait to hear what Goodell thinks and what the ramifications will be.
btw my team is and will always be the Panthers :D
Read my post. There ARE other teams doing, or have done this. Yup. Mostly when Williams is DC.
:lol: Don't be sad that your dirty Aints got caught doing what you should not be doing.
sherman-tank1
The players were being incentivised (is that a word?) to do what they should already be doing. Laying out hard hits. The Saints are going to be the example, but every team does this. Don't be delusional now. Which one your teams was it that got destroyed by the Saints this season? Lmao.And every team did the same things as the Pats did with Spygate according to many Pats fan, and even if that is true, which it obviously isn't, does not mean the actions are defendable. This isn't comparable to Spygate. It really isn't.
[QUOTE="Silverbond"]The players were being incentivised (is that a word?) to do what they should already be doing. Laying out hard hits. The Saints are going to be the example, but every team does this. Don't be delusional now. Which one your teams was it that got destroyed by the Saints this season? Lmao.Silverbond
And every team did the same things as the Pats did with Spygate according to many Pats fan, and even if that is true, which it obviously isn't, does not mean the actions are defendable. This isn't comparable to Spygate. It really isn't.You're right. It's worse. And the Saints will be punished worse according to what I hear. How is putting a camera in an illegal place comparable to raising money so players could be rewarded for taking other players out of game? I like a hard hitting football. but it can be hard hitting without bounties. Just like Spygate, this has no place in the league.
You're the delusional one thinking other teams are doing the same classless actions the Saints got caught doing. Just can't wait to hear what Goodell thinks and what the ramifications will be.
btw my team is and will always be the Panthers :D
Ngamer05
Read my post. There ARE other teams doing, or have done this.
Ok so the Redskins and MAYBE the Titans.
My point was really about silver insinuating that these heinous actions are normal and that every team is guilty of doing similar acts. I just don't believe it until I hear/see otherwise.
The only "heinous" action is being paid extra to do it...because it goes against league cap rules.
I think people claiming the well the Titans had this" the Redskins had this, a few players on this team have said this, are missing the most important part of this story. That a defensive coordinator was directly involved in this situation and that the head coach and GM turned a blind eye. Until it comes out that, that had been the case in other organizations this is far worse.
Yeah this is bad man. It's not the show Spartacus trying to kill people... it's just Football!!! There were guys putting up 10 grand to anyone who could injure a certain player. That's not what sports are about. It's shocking these guys wouldn't have more respect for another guys livelihood. And trust me... we don't want to watch the NFL with half the leagues QB's out for the year. We got a sampling of it this year and it was pretty ugly. Colts, Bears, Texans etc...
It also made me start to think back to games where guys got layed out who weren't even involved in the play really. The perfect situation for this 'Bounty' type BS is after an Interception.... where I can remember games where Eli Manning got blind sided and drilled and was nowhere near the player with the ball.... or seeing WR's and RB's getting nailed 20 yards away from the play when they didn't see it coming. They really need to look into a new rule where after an INT the QB is not 'Fair Game' if he's not near the ball carrier. It's like open season to really injure a skill player during this kind of play and they need to tweak that rule somehow.
I have a feeling there will be some heavy penalties levied here with draft picks being lost to send a clear message to teams that the NFL will not stand for these type things. Losing draft picks will be sure to get teams attention on this 'Bounty' matter and force them to make sure there's no nonsense like this going on with their team.
This is the kind of play the NFL needs to tweak the rules for after an INT. You can't allow the Defense to just tee off on QB's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ2U2s0Fsiw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY54KacL8vw
What's funny about the Ponder one with Lions coach Jim Schwartz crying.... is if the fragile Stafford ever got hit (and probably hurt) he'd go ape S' over it.
I think Saints are going to have 3 times the harsher penalties that Patriots were given for Spygate. Yes it's a physical sport but they are trying to intentionality injure people possibly even ending their careers. Worst part about is that their coach knew about it and did nothing.
Meh, i have no problem with it all, the point of the game is already to go out and crush your opponent. How many times did they actually go through with the payment?
i think every team has done it but the saints are the ones who got caught, gregg williams is the main person who should get fined because it goes all da way back to his days with the bills
Like Brett Favre said when asked about this, "it's football."
But of course with our PoS Commish they'll be fined hardcore.
Chutebox
If a professional player needs a bounty to motivate them to make a hit, maybe they shouldn't be a professional player after all? All these programs do is incentivise cheap shots.
Like Brett Favre said when asked about this, "it's football."
But of course with our PoS Commish they'll be fined hardcore.
Slow_Show
If a professional player needs a bounty to motivate them to make a hit, maybe they shouldn't be a professional player after all? All these programs do is incentivise cheap shots.
As far as I know, they weren't paid for cheap hits. Only clean hits.
As far as I know, they weren't paid for cheap hits. Only clean hits.Chutebox
That's just a bit of a slippery slope though, isn't it? There are plenty of "clean" plays (the aforementioned shots at QBs after INTs, borderline late hits, "accidental" contact) that are more than capable of seriously injuring a player.
And if it really was just for clean hits, isn't that what they're getting paid for in the first place?
i think every team has done it but the saints are the ones who got caught, gregg williams is the main person who should get fined because it goes all da way back to his days with the bills
vrizzle
Can I get a link to this going back to the Bills please?
[QUOTE="Chutebox"]As far as I know, they weren't paid for cheap hits. Only clean hits.Slow_Show
That's just a bit of a slippery slope though, isn't it? There are plenty of "clean" plays (the aforementioned shots at QBs after INTs, borderline late hits, "accidental" contact) that are more than capable of seriously injuring a player.
And if it really was just for clean hits, isn't that what they're getting paid for in the first place?
It sure is. Even professionals who are already rich can use more incentives as it turns out. I know that is stupid, but not a big deal to me.
The only issue here is the idea that the players got paid extra for it. The system should not be in place. It just looks bad.
But this type of mentality is not new, nor only a thing that only Greg Williams led defenses practice. No way. Rivalry games always give you the idea that someone is specifically being targeted. And defenses take any chance they can to lay out the QB. The only arguable point here is that sure the Saints took some major cheap shots on Favre in that 09 championship game.
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