Pats overrated or G-Men underrated?

The Patriots longest play of the game was 19 yards.

If you can pressure Brady and contain Moss, that offense is not an all time offense.

The Giants didn't stop Moss, they just gave up the short stuff and didn't let him go deep.

i dont think it was eather really, i just think the giants wanted it more and just played with more heart and emotion on that given gamefws831

Yeah, I agree there. The Pats just seemed flat, while the Giants were really into it.

The Patriots longest play of the game was 19 yards.

If you can pressure Brady and contain Moss, that offense is not an all time offense.

The Giants didn't stop Moss, they just gave up the short stuff and didn't let him go deep.

manningbowl135

They didn't really contain moss to well, but brady was bad.

Moss was open deep 3 or 4 times, he could have easily had over 100 yards and 2 tds

Pats overrated

Giants underrated

even though they won the super bowl there are still people claiming the Pats are the best team. It's stupid.

The Patriots longest play of the game was 19 yards.

If you can pressure Brady and contain Moss, that offense is not an all time offense.

The Giants didn't stop Moss, they just gave up the short stuff and didn't let him go deep.

manningbowl135

even though they won the super bowl there are still people claiming the Pats are the best team. It's stupid.

mohfrontline

There's nothing stupid about suggesting an 18-1 team is better than a 14-6 team.

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even though they won the super bowl there are still people claiming the Pats are the best team. It's stupid.

Oleg_Huzwog

There's nothing stupid about suggesting an 18-1 team is better than a 14-6 team.

Right now, the Giants are the undisputed best team in the NFL. They've earned that and have a trophy to prove it. People can talk about or claim who's better or whatever, but it's moot point. The Giants are the best team in the NFL until next season starts. Period.

Right now, the Giants are the undisputed best team in the NFL. They've earned that and have a trophy to prove it. People can talk about or claim who's better or whatever, but it's moot point. The Giants are the best team in the NFL until next season starts. Period.

manningbowl135

Uh, no. The Lombardi trophy doesn't go to the best team; it goes to the winner of a 12-team single elimination tournament. To say they are the "undisputed best team" is to imply that if the game were replayed, the Giants would undoubtedly emerge victorious a second time. Only the craziest Giants fan (or in your case, Manning fan) can seriously say they have absolutely no doubt that the Giants would win again. That's why they're calling this game such a huge upset - the better team didn't win.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Right now, the Giants are the undisputed best team in the NFL. They've earned that and have a trophy to prove it. People can talk about or claim who's better or whatever, but it's moot point. The Giants are the best team in the NFL until next season starts. Period.

Oleg_Huzwog

Uh, no. The Lombardi trophy doesn't go to the best team; it goes to the winner of a 12-team single elimination tournament. To say they are the "undisputed best team" is to imply that if the game were replayed, the Giants would undoubtedly emerge victorious a second time. Only the craziest Giants fan (or in your case, Manning fan) can seriously say they have absolutely no doubt that the Giants would win again. That's why they're calling this game such a huge upset - the better team didn't win.

In that case, they can never prove who's the better team. If the Patriots win the second time, they have to play it again. They'd probably have to play it a hundred times to see who's truly better.

At the end it came down to this, two teams standing played an all out match to prove who's better. The Giants came out on top.

So you're saying the Rams were the best team in 2001?

Neither. Pats just didn't come to play and the Giants did. It should have been a blowout, and 9 out of 10 times it would be.murlow12

The Pats didn't play bad, the O-Line was garbage 80% of the time, that's why they lost and a few plays going the Giants way at the end.

In that case, they can never prove who's the better team. If the Patriots win the second time, they have to play it again. They'd probably have to play it a hundred times to see who's truly better.

At the end it came down to this, two teams standing played an all out match to prove who's better. The Giants came out on top.

So you're saying the Rams were the best team in 2001?

manningbowl135

The Patriots already proved themselves to be the better team. 18 wins, 1 loss, 655 points for, and 323 points against. Contrast that with the Giants' totals of 14, 6, 458, and 416. One game doesn't decide who's better. One game only decides who gets the trophy and who doesn't.

Of course the Rams were the best team in 2001. They were "The Greatest Show on Turf". That's why them losing the Super Bowl was such a shocker.

[QUOTE="murlow12"]Neither. Pats just didn't come to play and the Giants did. It should have been a blowout, and 9 out of 10 times it would be.D3s7rUc71oN

The Pats didn't play bad, the O-Line was garbage 80% of the time, that's why they lost and a few plays going the Giants way at the end.

You make it seem like the Patriots O-line lost it for them. I don't know if you were watching the same game as I was, but the Giants front 4 looked like a pack of wild animals. Give them some props.

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[QUOTE="murlow12"]Neither. Pats just didn't come to play and the Giants did. It should have been a blowout, and 9 out of 10 times it would be.Gamer556

The Pats didn't play bad, the O-Line was garbage 80% of the time, that's why they lost and a few plays going the Giants way at the end.

You make it seem like the Patriots O-line lost it for them. I don't know if you were watching the same game as I was, but the Giants front 4 looked like a pack of wild animals. Give them some props.

Yeah, the O-Line lost it. I've never seen an O-Line dominated like that, and that 20% time they managed to contain the Giants pressure, they marched down the field. So I don't know why you're shocked about it. If they have give Brady the time Eli had, they would have put at least 20 pts.

The Pats are not overrated. They are rated as is IMO. The Giants on the other hand are overrated IMO and yeah, I'll give them credit for beating the Pats but if this game were replayed next week, most people including me would take the Pats still. If this was a best of series, the Pats would come out on top.

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[QUOTE="murlow12"]Neither. Pats just didn't come to play and the Giants did. It should have been a blowout, and 9 out of 10 times it would be.D3s7rUc71oN

The Pats didn't play bad, the O-Line was garbage 80% of the time, that's why they lost and a few plays going the Giants way at the end.

You make it seem like the Patriots O-line lost it for them. I don't know if you were watching the same game as I was, but the Giants front 4 looked like a pack of wild animals. Give them some props.

Yeah, the O-Line lost it. I've never seen an O-Line dominated like that, and that 20% time they managed to contain the Giants pressure, they marched down the field. So I don't know why you're shocked about it. If they have give Brady the time Eli had, they would have put at least 20 pts.

He's saying it's not just not one side of the line playing bad, but the other side playing super. Give them credit. They've done it all season and they did it today.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

In that case, they can never prove who's the better team. If the Patriots win the second time, they have to play it again. They'd probably have to play it a hundred times to see who's truly better.

At the end it came down to this, two teams standing played an all out match to prove who's better. The Giants came out on top.

So you're saying the Rams were the best team in 2001?

Oleg_Huzwog

The Patriots already proved themselves to be the better team. 18 wins, 1 loss, 655 points for, and 323 points against. Contrast that with the Giants' totals of 14, 6, 458, and 416. One game doesn't decide who's better. One game only decides who gets the trophy and who doesn't.

Of course the Rams were the best team in 2001. They were "The Greatest Show on Turf". That's why them losing the Super Bowl was such a shocker.

the giants out played them on the biggest stage there is, the better team won. one game does decide whos better thats how the super bowl works. it decides who gets the trophy like you said, and that trophy belongs to the world champions. the giants played better football in the the real season, the post season. thats why 20 years from now people will remember that the giants won super bowl 42 not what the pats did in the regular season.

[QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]Neither. Pats just didn't come to play and the Giants did. It should have been a blowout, and 9 out of 10 times it would be.manningbowl135

The Pats didn't play bad, the O-Line was garbage 80% of the time, that's why they lost and a few plays going the Giants way at the end.

You make it seem like the Patriots O-line lost it for them. I don't know if you were watching the same game as I was, but the Giants front 4 looked like a pack of wild animals. Give them some props.

Yeah, the O-Line lost it. I've never seen an O-Line dominated like that, and that 20% time they managed to contain the Giants pressure, they marched down the field. So I don't know why you're shocked about it. If they have give Brady the time Eli had, they would have put at least 20 pts.

He's saying it's not just not one side of the line playing bad, but the other side playing super. Give them credit. They've done it all season and they did it today.

I don't know why you guys get the idea that I'm not giving props to the Giants front four, IMO they should've been given the SB MVP award. But c'mon, that Pats O-Line looked like it was a College football team OL against an NFL DL throughout the whole game.

no the pats played a horrible game and still could have won. also eli manning isnt that good. there where a couple of times in the 4th quater where he threw into triple coverage and should have been picked. asante samuel should have come up with an easy pick near the end to end the game. but saying the giants are the best team is crazy they are far from the best team. but they won the big game so props to them.Blackfriend8

What's your point? Watch the game again because Brady got away with some lucky throws into triple coverage too. Every quarterback does it.

They are far from the best team? Are you kidding? They beat the Cowboys and Packers on the road, then go on and not only beat the 18-0 Patriots, but hold their record setting offense to 14 points. Yet you still say that they are far from the best team? You need to think about that.

the giants out played them on the biggest stage there is, the better team won. one game does decide whos better thats how the super bowl works. it decides who gets the trophy like you said, and that trophy belongs to the world champions. the giants played better football in the the real season, the post season. thats why 20 years from now people will remember that the giants won super bowl 42 not what the pats did in the regular season.

fws831

One game does not decide who's better. That's just silly. If that were true, then we'd be saying the Dolphins are better than the Ravens, the Eagles are better than the Cowboys, the Rams are better than the Saints, etc.

20 years from now, people will remember that the Giants won Superbowl 42 in a major upset. They will not remember a team that couldn't win its own division as the best team of the year.

Or how about this fun little string: if one game decides who is better...

• Florida International is better than North Texas
• North Texas is better than Louisiana-Monroe
• Louisiana-Monroe is better than Alabama
• Alabama is better than Arkansas
• Arkansas is better than LSU

Put it all together and we must conclude that the Florida International Golden Panthers, with their 1-11 record and last place finish in the Sun Belt conference, was a better team than the National Champions.

Or how about this fun little string: if one game decides who is better...

• Florida International is better than North Texas
• North Texas is better than Louisiana-Monroe
• Louisiana-Monroe is better than Alabama
• Alabama is better than Arkansas
• Arkansas is better than LSU

Put it all together and we must conclude that the Florida International Golden Panthers, with their 1-11 record and last place finish in the Sun Belt conference, was a better team than the National Champions.

Oleg_Huzwog

Now you're just making ridiculous excuses and situations since you're team lost, what goes around comes around buddy.

Now you're just making ridiculous excuses and situations since you're team lost, what goes around comes around buddy.

goodlay

:P My team lost in the second week of January (screw you, Favre). I was rooting for the Giants yesterday.

I'm not rationalizing the Patriots' loss, nor am I bashing the Giants' success. I'm just challenging the silly notion that one game decides which team is better.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

The Patriots longest play of the game was 19 yards.

If you can pressure Brady and contain Moss, that offense is not an all time offense.

The Giants didn't stop Moss, they just gave up the short stuff and didn't let him go deep.

G5W

They didn't really contain moss to well, but brady was bad.

Moss was open deep 3 or 4 times, he could have easily had over 100 yards and 2 tds

did u watch the game? Everytime when he would try the G-Men would knock Brady on his arse. Didnt allow Brady time. NY FTW. My school is right by CHAMBERS and I will be @ dat parade tomo :)

[QUOTE="goodlay"]

Now you're just making ridiculous excuses and situations since you're team lost, what goes around comes around buddy.

Oleg_Huzwog

:P My team lost in the second week of January (screw you, Favre). I was rooting for the Giants yesterday.

I'm not rationalizing the Patriots' loss, nor am I bashing the Giants' success. I'm just challenging the silly notion that one game decides which team is better.

Become an NBA, MLB, NHL fan then. Thats the way it goes in the NFL and college football, and college basketball.

[QUOTE="Blackfriend8"]no the pats played a horrible game and still could have won. also eli manning isnt that good. there where a couple of times in the 4th quater where he threw into triple coverage and should have been picked. asante samuel should have come up with an easy pick near the end to end the game. but saying the giants are the best team is crazy they are far from the best team. but they won the big game so props to them.rBurke100

What's your point? Watch the game again because Brady got away with some lucky throws into triple coverage too. Every quarterback does it.

They are far from the best team? Are you kidding? They beat the Cowboys and Packers on the road, then go on and not only beat the 18-0 Patriots, but hold their record setting offense to 14 points. Yet you still say that they are far from the best team? You need to think about that.

the cowboys and packers are better than the giants. the giants just got hot at the right time. if they had to play the packers again they would lose if they had to play the cowboys again they would lose. they arent the best team but the best team dont always win thats the point of playing the games because if the best team always won then we would never need to play. so like i said the packers,cowboys and pats would beat the giants 9/10 times.

Become an NBA, MLB, NHL fan then. Thats the way it goes in the NFL and college football, and college basketball.

goodlay

What's so hard about accepting the fact that sometimes, the better team doesn't win?

no the pats played a horrible game and still could have won. also eli manning isnt that good. there where a couple of times in the 4th quater where he threw into triple coverage and should have been picked. asante samuel should have come up with an easy pick near the end to end the game. but saying the giants are the best team is crazy they are far from the best team. but they won the big game so props to them.Blackfriend8

an easy pick! That would of been far from a easy pick since it was wasnt a badly thrown ball. The ball clearly beat him into Tyree's hands. Oh n heres da link: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8067c707 . #22 anit hugging himself anymore :lol: (dats if u r talkin bout this play)

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[QUOTE="Blackfriend8"]no the pats played a horrible game and still could have won. also eli manning isnt that good. there where a couple of times in the 4th quater where he threw into triple coverage and should have been picked. asante samuel should have come up with an easy pick near the end to end the game. but saying the giants are the best team is crazy they are far from the best team. but they won the big game so props to them.Blackfriend8

What's your point? Watch the game again because Brady got away with some lucky throws into triple coverage too. Every quarterback does it.

They are far from the best team? Are you kidding? They beat the Cowboys and Packers on the road, then go on and not only beat the 18-0 Patriots, but hold their record setting offense to 14 points. Yet you still say that they are far from the best team? You need to think about that.

the cowboys and packers are better than the giants. the giants just got hot at the right time. if they had to play the packers again they would lose if they had to play the cowboys again they would lose. they arent the best team but the best team dont always win thats the point of playing the games because if the best team always won then we would never need to play. so like i said the packers,cowboys and pats would beat the giants 9/10 times.

Good for you! Be proud of that hypothetical statement. I'll just be happy celebrating my team's lowly championship.