Phillies agree to sign Lee...?

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#1 white_sox
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Not 100% official, but looks like he'll be a big piece to one of the best rotations that I have ever seen:

Halladay

Lee

Oswalt

Hamels

Love how people were saying it was a done deal he was going to NY :).

Link: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/agree-to-sign-cliff-lee.html

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#2 Put_in_Kitna
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The agreement is good according to ESPN. Crazy!

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Philly-cheese steak party coming soon. Gonna be dancing in front of everybody and guaranteeing titles.

162-0 baby. Oh yeah.

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How the **** are you supposed to beat a team in the playoffs when they have Halladay and Lee at the top of the rotation?

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#5 No_Hablo_Ingles
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This is great. As a Redsox fan, this might be better then signing CC and trading for A.G! Not only aren't they getting Lee, but they aren't going to get the 2nd best pitcher either because he doesn't want to go to NY!
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#6 X360PS3AMD05
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It's a win win :lol: Either i'm pessimistic and right he goes to the Yanks or i'm wrong but the Yanks get no big free agent this offseason :lol: Props to the Phillies, even if this means the Dodgers won't have a chance for about 5 years :(
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Damn, Lee and Halladay/
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Damn, Lee and Halladay/rockguy92
And Oswalt and Hamels, that's like 4 Aces! I now need to go into the other room and rage....
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How the **** are you supposed to beat a team in the playoffs when they have Halladay and Lee at the top of the rotation?

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This way.

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4 aces and i bet they still wont win the ws next year
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#11 TaCoDuDe
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This is like the old Braves rotation of Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz...

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#12 BeanTownBrown86
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this is great news!

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It's over. How do you even contend with that?

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#14 Master_Live
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We should forfeit the next 3 WS, at least.

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#15 Master_Live
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As far as the Yankees are concern, this is a blow to the plans to upgrade the rotation so now we should look to the trading game. But if Pettite comes back I won't cry if our rotation is CC, Pettite, Hughes and Burnett.
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4 aces and i bet they still wont win the ws next yearxbox360isgr8t
The Cubs:lol: Early christmas present. Phils are gonna be great next season
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]4 aces and i bet they still wont win the ws next year-Halftime-
The Cubs:lol: Early christmas present. Phils are gonna be great next season

Lakers fan? Phillies fan? You a Patriots fan too?
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]4 aces and i bet they still wont win the ws next yearDJ_Magneto
The Cubs:lol: Early christmas present. Phils are gonna be great next season

Lakers fan? Phillies fan? You a Patriots fan too?

Grew up in LA, along with Philadelphia. Next please/
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"] The Cubs:lol: Early christmas present. Phils are gonna be great next season

Lakers fan? Phillies fan? You a Patriots fan too?

Grew up in LA, along with Philadelphia. Next please/

Fair enough. Didn't want to think you were one of those people...
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If I were the Phillies I definitely wouldn't have signed this deal as it is pretty short-sighted. It does give the Phillies the best rotation in baseball but overall I would consider this to be a pretty poor signing by the Phillies.

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#21 white_sox
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He took $34 million less, those rumors about him and his wife not liking NY too much must have some truth to it.
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If I were the Phillies I definitely wouldn't have signed this deal as it is pretty short-sighted. It does give the Phillies the best rotation in baseball but overall I would consider this to be a pretty poor signing by the Phillies.

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How is it short-sighted? It's a 5 year deal. It's not like it will be a one and done situation. They have to be early favorites right now, wouldn't you agree? Of course, nothing is guaranteed, but they'll be in it and be favorites for the foreseeable future. Or is it just because you're a Mets fan?
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[QUOTE="metswonin69"]

If I were the Phillies I definitely wouldn't have signed this deal as it is pretty short-sighted. It does give the Phillies the best rotation in baseball but overall I would consider this to be a pretty poor signing by the Phillies.

DJ_Magneto
How is it short-sighted? It's a 5 year deal. It's not like it will be a one and done situation. They have to be early favorites right now, wouldn't you agree? Of course, nothing is guaranteed, but they'll be in it and be favorites for the foreseeable future. Or is it just because you're a Mets fan?

Almost all large contracts to pitchers are bad ones. Just look at all the pitchers that have gotten deals in excess of $100 million. All of them have turned out to be bad contracts with the exception of Sabathia whom the jury is still out on. Add in the fact that Lee is already 32 and has a history of back problems, and you have bad contract written all over this one. Certainly the Phillies are the favorites for the NL East title, something they would have been with or without Lee. But as for favorites for the World Series title, the idea that there could be a favorite for the World Series is a rather dumb one considering how much of a coin-flip the post season tends to be.
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#24 hkhatir
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[QUOTE="metswonin69"]

If I were the Phillies I definitely wouldn't have signed this deal as it is pretty short-sighted. It does give the Phillies the best rotation in baseball but overall I would consider this to be a pretty poor signing by the Phillies.

DJ_Magneto

How is it short-sighted? It's a 5 year deal. It's not like it will be a one and done situation. They have to be early favorites right now, wouldn't you agree? Of course, nothing is guaranteed, but they'll be in it and be favorites for the foreseeable future. Or is it just because you're a Mets fan?

If he meets certain benchmarks which they made very attaianble its 6 years.

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"] The Cubs:lol: Early christmas present. Phils are gonna be great next season

Lakers fan? Phillies fan? You a Patriots fan too?

Grew up in LA, along with Philadelphia. Next please/

So pick one city and roll with it. Representing two cities so you have more of a chance to pick a good team? That's weak. Sorry you're a bandwagon fan
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#26 xbox360isgr8t
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i dont care if he wants to make fun of me for being a cubs fan no big deal. ill take mjs bulls over kobes lakers anyday. and as far as my statement goes ill stick with it. the philies had 3 good aces and didnt get to the ws last year. also injuries have to be prevented. the phillies are not a lock for the world series thats all im saying. sucks to be a yankees fan this offseason thats for sure. probably their worst offseason ever.
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Now if they could just get a CP.

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[QUOTE="Spellingiscool"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"] Lakers fan? Phillies fan? You a Patriots fan too?

Grew up in LA, along with Philadelphia. Next please/

So pick one city and roll with it. Representing two cities so you have more of a chance to pick a good team? That's weak. Sorry you're a bandwagon fan

:lol; I'm not gonna get into fandom. You don't know me, don't act like you do. I was a fan when the Lakers were terrible AND the Phillies were bad. And LA doesn't have a professional football team. I was raised a Laker fan by both parents and became a fan of the Eagles because I liked Donovan McNabb when I got into professional football. I didn't come to love baseball until about 2003 when I began to follow the Phillies, who didn't make the playoffs that year. I don't "represent" two cities. I have ONE favorite team in each sport. Furthermore, where you live has nothing to do with fandom. There are fairweather fans that support their home teams, too. People that don't care when the team is bad but the jerseys are flying off the shelves when they get good. Good try though
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Gosh darn that rotation looks ridiculous.
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#30 Put_in_Kitna
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I like how this thread made me laugh at the cubs. :lol:

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Go Dodgers get grienke !

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#32 Master_Live
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[QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"][QUOTE="metswonin69"]

If I were the Phillies I definitely wouldn't have signed this deal as it is pretty short-sighted. It does give the Phillies the best rotation in baseball but overall I would consider this to be a pretty poor signing by the Phillies.

metswonin69
How is it short-sighted? It's a 5 year deal. It's not like it will be a one and done situation. They have to be early favorites right now, wouldn't you agree? Of course, nothing is guaranteed, but they'll be in it and be favorites for the foreseeable future. Or is it just because you're a Mets fan?

Almost all large contracts to pitchers are bad ones. Just look at all the pitchers that have gotten deals in excess of $100 million. All of them have turned out to be bad contracts with the exception of Sabathia whom the jury is still out on. Add in the fact that Lee is already 32 and has a history of back problems, and you have bad contract written all over this one. Certainly the Phillies are the favorites for the NL East title, something they would have been with or without Lee. But as for favorites for the World Series title, the idea that there could be a favorite for the World Series is a rather dumb one considering how much of a coin-flip the post season tends to be.

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As much as I'd like my Marlins to make a countermove, they are pretty much set. They've revamped their bullpen, fortified their starting rotation, and although they lost Uggla (who is an ass) they'll have full seasons from Stanton, Morrison, and Coghlan. All I'd like them to do is sign a lefty bat for the bench and maybe acquire a real CF.

Phillies are still cleary the team to beat though.

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Go Dodgers get grienke !Zombiekiller360
Don't want um, even if we did don't have a farm system anymore. [QUOTE="DJ_Magneto"] Lakers fan? Phillies fan? You a Patriots fan too?

Reminds me of this drunk Philies chick at the game this year, started bickering with people in our section and we just kept telling her to go home...........finally she did leave early but before that was trying to say "It's ok guys, i'm a Laker fan too!" then i started laughing, people were saying "of course you are".
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="Spellingiscool"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"] Grew up in LA, along with Philadelphia. Next please/

So pick one city and roll with it. Representing two cities so you have more of a chance to pick a good team? That's weak. Sorry you're a bandwagon fan

:lol; I'm not gonna get into fandom. You don't know me, don't act like you do. I was a fan when the Lakers were terrible AND the Phillies were bad. And LA doesn't have a professional football team. I was raised a Laker fan by both parents and became a fan of the Eagles because I liked Donovan McNabb when I got into professional football. I didn't come to love baseball until about 2003 when I began to follow the Phillies, who didn't make the playoffs that year. I don't "represent" two cities. I have ONE favorite team in each sport. Furthermore, where you live has nothing to do with fandom. There are fairweather fans that support their home teams, too. People that don't care when the team is bad but the jerseys are flying off the shelves when they get good. Good try though

I don't want to know you. I just know you're a bandwagon fan that's all. Where you live has nothing to do with fandom? That's false. If you're born in Cleveland, sorry you should be stuck with the Browns and Cavaliers. There's no jumping ship to the Lakers just because they suck, although I'm aware it happens everywhere. A lot of bandwagon fans on this board, namely Jaysonguy and you. It's okay though, as long as you are aware of it.
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Normally, I find nicknames in sports to be incredibly stupid sounding... but I admit I smiled the first time I heard R2C2.

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="Spellingiscool"] So pick one city and roll with it. Representing two cities so you have more of a chance to pick a good team? That's weak. Sorry you're a bandwagon fanSpellingiscool
:lol; I'm not gonna get into fandom. You don't know me, don't act like you do. I was a fan when the Lakers were terrible AND the Phillies were bad. And LA doesn't have a professional football team. I was raised a Laker fan by both parents and became a fan of the Eagles because I liked Donovan McNabb when I got into professional football. I didn't come to love baseball until about 2003 when I began to follow the Phillies, who didn't make the playoffs that year. I don't "represent" two cities. I have ONE favorite team in each sport. Furthermore, where you live has nothing to do with fandom. There are fairweather fans that support their home teams, too. People that don't care when the team is bad but the jerseys are flying off the shelves when they get good. Good try though

I don't want to know you. I just know you're a bandwagon fan that's all. Where you live has nothing to do with fandom? That's false. If you're born in Cleveland, sorry you should be stuck with the Browns and Cavaliers. There's no jumping ship to the Lakers just because they suck, although I'm aware it happens everywhere. A lot of bandwagon fans on this board, namely Jaysonguy and you. It's okay though, as long as you are aware of it.

Hahahahahahaha You don't know a thing about me. That's the funny thing. keep making assumptions though. I'm from LA. We HAVE no professional football team. I didn't even like baseball till I got to Pennsylvania, which is when I started following the Phillies.

By your ass backwards logic, a so called "fan" in Pittsburgh that was nowhere to be found when the Penguins were bad, all of a sudden they win the Stanley Cup and are contenders and all of a sudden that person is fully supporting the team. Is that pathetic excuse more of a fan, then say, a Pens fan in California who watched every game whether they won or lost and was there for the good AND Bad times. Sounds to me like the bandwagoner would be the one in the pittsburgh and the true fan would be the guy in Cali that was supporting the team for years before that championship season.

Another example, this one non hypothetical. I have two close friends, one a Denver Broncos fan, one a Green Bay Packers fan. Neither of these friends live in Denver, or Green Bay. But they've each been following the teams since they were small kids and continue to do so. Where do they live? Pittsburgh. Have they ever jumped ship to the Steelers when they're doing good. Hell no. I'd call them bandwagoners if they jumped on the Steelers. There's nothing wrong with them liking the teams they do.

You don't have to be from anywhere specific to like your favorite team. As long as you are passionate, stick through the good and the bad, don't jump ship, hurt when they lose and feel that high when they win, you're a real fan. Most people hate the places they grow up anyway. But then again, you're the supreme authority of what team a specific person should follow. Cool elitism, mang.

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I'm a Jacksonville Jaguars fan living in Miami. I've supported the team ever since their inception. The franchise has done nothing significant since they started (other than a couple conference championship games) and have had poor attendance for years.

I guess I'm a bandwagon fan for jumping ship to an unpopular team that has accomplished nothing just because I live in Miami instead of Jacksonville.

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#39 X360PS3AMD05
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Lee says "Philly fans don't need a telemprompter to know when to cheer" OH SNAP!! Nice one CLiff. http://network.yardbarker.com/mlb/article_external/cliff_lee_says_phillies_fans_dont_need_teleprompter_to_know_when_to_cheer/3799234

I'm a Jacksonville Jaguars fan living in Miami. I've supported the team ever since their inception. The franchise has done nothing significant since they started (other than a couple conference championship games) and have had poor attendance for years.

I guess I'm a bandwagon fan for jumping ship to an unpopular team that has accomplished nothing just because I live in Miami instead of Jacksonville.

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You live in the same state, where the teams aren't exactly rivals to each other and the team hasn't won like you said. It's not like the Habs, ANgels, Lakers, Chargers fan who harassed me on ESPN.com all the time.