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He top 10 but no way the best all time.
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Jerry Rice said that Moss had the physical ability and talent to be the best ever, but since he didn't give it 100% all the time he's a distant #2 (at best). Rice is right. There's a reason the Patriots were able to get Moss from the Raiders for basically nothing. JML897Yeah. He definitely didn't give his all unless he was in the right situation. That's unfortunate.
Obviously Moss is a great WR but the arrogance that it takes for him to say he's the best is willful ignorance on his part. Apart from all other arguments, where was Rice at the end of his career? Still going strong. Moss is a second rate reciever in the league at this point. In the face of that his stats just don't measure up over the course of his career and like a previous poster explained, some of the best WRs didn't even have the quality Qbs that exist now considering the game used to be much more run heavy.
You cannot compare their career stats because Jerry Rice played into his 40's. If any great receiver played 20 seasons they would have monster stats. Randy Moss in my opinion is the most fun to watch athlete of my generation. I remember in 07 with New England, every time Brady threw the ball deep you knew you were gonna see something amazing. Any one who doubts how amazing he's been, go watch career highlights on YouTube. Jerry Rice could do none of that. GoldenElementXLEven at the same points in their career (seasons played), jerry rice's stats > moss. So you can't use longevity in this case. Plus Jerry was a better blocker and more dependable. If you want to argue that moss had the most talent/ability/potential, then I agree. But talent =/= greatness and certainly =/= GOAT. Bo Jackson is one of the greatest talents I have ever seen at RB, but injury derailed his career. His supreme talent does not make him the GOAT (or even put him in the discussion). Moss' issue is not one of injury, but one of effort IF, big if, he had worked like Rice or Irvin or any other number of WR's, then he would have been. But he did not...which is a shame. He has no one to blame but himself for not being the GOAT
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I only saw Oakland Rice but Moss dominated in a way ive never seen before. He's the GOAT in terms of talent but his career doesnt touch Jerry's.
Definitely top 5 all time. And if he got to play with a legit QB for more than 3 seasons.. Dang.
You cannot compare their career stats because Jerry Rice played into his 40's. If any great receiver played 20 seasons they would have monster stats. Randy Moss in my opinion is the most fun to watch athlete of my generation. I remember in 07 with New England, every time Brady threw the ball deep you knew you were gonna see something amazing. Any one who doubts how amazing he's been, go watch career highlights on YouTube. Jerry Rice could do none of that.GoldenElementXL
As someone who watched both, :lol:
Largent over Irvin? Nah brah. Don't give me a No Hablo argument either, thanks.BobblesLargent spent his entire career catching passes from average QB talent (Jim Zorn and Dave Krieg) in a run first offense (Ground Chuck). This is a case where being a boisterous personality overshadows the small, quiet guy that Steve Largent was. And he did retire with every single receiving record in the book.
[QUOTE="Bobbles"]Largent over Irvin? Nah brah. Don't give me a No Hablo argument either, thanks.monkeytoes61Largent spent his entire career catching passes from average QB talent (Jim Zorn and Dave Krieg) in a run first offense (Ground Chuck). This is a case where being a boisterous personality overshadows the small, quiet guy that Steve Largent was. And he did retire with every single receiving record in the book. Michael Irvin played in a run first offense and put Aikman in the HoF. Thanks.
If Steve Largent were 6'3", 215 pounds and ran a 4.6 40, he would be the greatest receiver of all time. Nobody had better hands, nobody ran more precise routes, and nobody knew the game better than Steve Largent. His only limitations were being small and slow, and he still schooled DBs that were bigger and faster.
Like I said earlier, this is more of a preference thing for me. I'll take great hands and precise routes over pure athleticism and speed any day in my WRs.
If Steve Largent where 6'3", 215 pounds and ran a 4.6 40, he would be the greatest receiver of all time. Nobody had better hands, nobody ran more precise routes, and nobody knew the game better than Steve Largent. His only limitations were being small and slow, and he still schooled DBs that were bigger and faster,monkeytoes61If Wes Welker was 6'3, 215 and ran a 4.6 40.. he'd be the best WR in the league today. :lol:
Thing is, Irvin had everything you just mentioned. He worked harder than anybody in practice.If Steve Largent were 6'3", 215 pounds and ran a 4.6 40, he would be the greatest receiver of all time. Nobody had better hands, nobody ran more precise routes, and nobody knew the game better than Steve Largent. His only limitations were being small and slow, and he still schooled DBs that were bigger and faster.
Like I said earlier, this is more of a preference thing for me. I'll take great hands and precise routes over pure athleticism and speed any day in my WRs.
monkeytoes61
[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]Thing is, Irvin had everything you just mentioned. He worked harder than anybody in practice. Don't forget the push offs!If Steve Largent were 6'3", 215 pounds and ran a 4.6 40, he would be the greatest receiver of all time. Nobody had better hands, nobody ran more precise routes, and nobody knew the game better than Steve Largent. His only limitations were being small and slow, and he still schooled DBs that were bigger and faster.
Like I said earlier, this is more of a preference thing for me. I'll take great hands and precise routes over pure athleticism and speed any day in my WRs.
Bobbles
[QUOTE="Bobbles"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]Thing is, Irvin had everything you just mentioned. He worked harder than anybody in practice. Don't forget the push offs! Word and the best at pushing scrubs out of the way.If Steve Largent were 6'3", 215 pounds and ran a 4.6 40, he would be the greatest receiver of all time. Nobody had better hands, nobody ran more precise routes, and nobody knew the game better than Steve Largent. His only limitations were being small and slow, and he still schooled DBs that were bigger and faster.
Like I said earlier, this is more of a preference thing for me. I'll take great hands and precise routes over pure athleticism and speed any day in my WRs.
Chutebox
[QUOTE="Bobbles"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]Thing is, Irvin had everything you just mentioned. He worked harder than anybody in practice. Don't forget the push offs!If Steve Largent were 6'3", 215 pounds and ran a 4.6 40, he would be the greatest receiver of all time. Nobody had better hands, nobody ran more precise routes, and nobody knew the game better than Steve Largent. His only limitations were being small and slow, and he still schooled DBs that were bigger and faster.
Like I said earlier, this is more of a preference thing for me. I'll take great hands and precise routes over pure athleticism and speed any day in my WRs.
Chutebox
Jordan did the same thing, if you own at doing it then do it brah. Also F*** yourself.Â
Don't forget the push offs![QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Bobbles"] Thing is, Irvin had everything you just mentioned. He worked harder than anybody in practice.Put_in_Kitna
Jordan did the same thing, if you own at doing it then do it brah. Also F*** yourself.Â
Jordan did the same thing? :lol:Really? Irvin top 5?
No way he's better than Moss. NO WAYYYYYYYY.
DaJuicyMan
Absolutely. I won't really argue if you put Moss ahead of him tho. Not top 5 tho? Get out.Â
I think you overvalue those old players too much.
Hutson probably wouldn't even make the NFL today.
If Justin Blackmon played 60 years ago he would've been king.
You probably wouldn't like who I think is the greatest player in NFL history then.monkeytoes61Please share with the group.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8893843/super-bowl-2013-randy-moss-says-greatest-wr-ever-play
He top 10 but no way the best all time.36Ounces
I think he forgot about another receiver who holds all the records by the name of Jerry Rice. Honestly, Jerry could have easily play for another 2-3 seasons if he wanted to. He was still in incredible shape and better then many of the new receivers in the league.
I love Jerry Rice's reaction to Moss' comments.
"Rice said Tuesday he was surprised by Moss' comments.
"I impacted the game by winning Super Bowls," Rice said. "... Randy is still trying to win his first one, and I wish him the best, but I was very surprised that he said he's the best receiver to ever play the game. I leave that up to my fans to make that statement.""
He's right though. Moss hasn't even won a Super Bowl yet, but will get his chance on Sunday.
[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="JML897"]Don Hutson might as well have played in the middle ages. He shouldn't even count. Jerry Rice is the undisputed GOATblackaceHe was posting modern NFL numbers in the 1940s when throwing the football was still a desperation move at best. He's the greatest receiver to ever play the game. What's his career stats and how many Super Bowls did he will with the Packers? Before the Super Bowl era. And in 1942, he caught 74 passes for 1211 yards and 17 TDs. Unreal.
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