Ray Lewis to retire after this playoff run.

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With the career he had I thought it was deserving of his own thread. I know some people might not like Ray Lewis the person, or how sometimes ESPN really d1ck rode him. But dude was an amazing linebacker even till the very end as far as I'm concerned. I'd personally argue he's been one of the best leaders in the NFL, even over the likes of Manning and Brady.

Dude is, was, and will forever be a legend. Hopefully he doesn't Brett Favre us.

Good LB who got way too much credit for everything because of his persona. But still a good LB.

Where do you put Ray Lewis as far as all time defensive great. I say he's top five easily.

Where do you put Ray Lewis as far as all time defensive great. I say he's top five easily.

Yusuke420

Where do you put Ray Lewis as far as all time defensive great. I say he's top five easily.

Yusuke420

Great player, great leader. Top 5 all time? No. HOF? Easily.

Where do you put Ray Lewis as far as all time defensive great. I say he's top five easily.

Yusuke420

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Where do you put Ray Lewis as far as all time defensive great. I say he's top five easily.

DaJuicyMan

I'm only 25 so I can only look at it through that prism as I never got to see guys like LT play in their primes. That being said the Baltimore Ravens have made it their identity to be a hardcore defensive unit and Ray Lewis was a major reason they are seen in that light. So He's top fve for me because I on;y have a narrow view of the NFL (last 25 years). Older people will always see their era as the best, so I try to not fight that fight.

Um, literally no way he is top 5

Um, literally no way he is top 5

Chutebox

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Um, literally no way he is top 5

Yusuke420

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Um, literally no way he is top 5

Chutebox

Deion Sanders over Ray Lewis?!?!

You guys are crazy

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"] You just being combative or you going to build a case for your opinion?

JML897

Deion Sanders over Ray Lewis?!?!

You guys are crazy

Easily one of the best defensive players I've ever seen play. I'd put him in the top 10 defensive players of all time.

Too bad he never won another SB in his prime but it aint his fault.

Ray Lewis is 1 of 2 players to ever win Super Bowl MVP and Defensive Player of the Year Awards (Harvey Martin 1977)

One of the all time greats...and he got away with murder, dude could do it all.

Ray Lewis is 1 of 2 players to ever win Super Bowl MVP and Defensive Player of the Year Awards (Harvey Martin 1977)

Here's something to bolster the credentials a little bit.Yusuke420

So is this thread glitchy for anybody else. I can't even see the second half of the page.

Ya, same for me. No clue what it is though. Very weird.

Great LB, horrrrribleeeeee person. And lol at ESPN calling him the greatest LB ever. LT was better than him.TonyDanzaFan

[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]Great LB, horrrrribleeeeee person. And lol at ESPN calling him the greatest LB ever. LT was better than him.Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]Great LB, horrrrribleeeeee person. And lol at ESPN calling him the greatest LB ever. LT was better than him.TonyDanzaFan

That sucks, he was a pretty damn good LB.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]Great LB, horrrrribleeeeee person. And lol at ESPN calling him the greatest LB ever. LT was better than him.TonyDanzaFan

Is any of that relevant info to be considered when ranking his place among the all-time greats?

[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] It's ESPN, are you surprised?Oleg_Huzwog

Is any of that relevant info to be considered when ranking his place among the all-time greats?

One of the main reasons Ray is retiring is to spend time with his kids, he said. I don't really buy that he is a bad father or anything.

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[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"] No, not at all. The guy is a scumbag excluding the murder. I watched a documentary on him years ago and he had like 4 kids and didn't live in the same state as any of them. Great guy. TonyDanzaFan

Is any of that relevant info to be considered when ranking his place among the all-time greats?

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[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"] No, not at all. The guy is a scumbag excluding the murder. I watched a documentary on him years ago and he had like 4 kids and didn't live in the same state as any of them. Great guy. TonyDanzaFan

Is any of that relevant info to be considered when ranking his place among the all-time greats?

Now I know conversational skills are not your forte, so I'll try to phrase it in terms that even you can understand (a daunting task, indeed).

• You griped about ESPN's ranking of him.
• Someone quoted you, pointing out it's just ESPN being ESPN, all the while sticking to the topic of Ray Lewis' ranking.
• You quoted said person, implying continuation of the aforementioned subject matter.

So yeah, you did.

Unless of course, you're one of those sorts who enjoys sustaining quote strings by randomly changing subjects... but such moronic behavior is characteristic of an addlebrained wanker. I would never suggest such a description could apply to you. No, I hold you in too high of regard to ever attempt anything so petty.

Ray is easily top 5. If he played in the 70's and 80's he would have been even more dominate. With the constant rules changes to make the game more offensive firindly, along with a massive increase in the skillset of the offensive skill player alot of these great 70's defensive players wouldn't be nearly as effective.

They would spend there entire careers paying fines. Not only was ray domiante, he was dominate within the BS rules the NFL has in place right now.

I can only imagine how dominate an unshackled Ray would have been.

Um, literally no way he is top 5

Chutebox

Why am I "NOT" surprized to hear that coming from MD 2nd best NFL football team:P....his numbers go way beyond your opinion!!! Math don't lie son!!:|

Ray is easily top 5. If he played in the 70's and 80's he would have been even more dominate. With the constant rules changes to make the game more offensive firindly.

FPSfan1985

Agreed.....most of the Defensive players wouldn't be so legendary if they they played today!!

I will miss Ray Lewis.BatCrazedJoker

I know man....those Gladiator games againts the Steelers won't be the same!! It's even gonna be worst when Ben Retire...:|

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]Great LB, horrrrribleeeeee person. And lol at ESPN calling him the greatest LB ever. LT was better than him.TonyDanzaFan

Dude it is unfortunate that lives where lost but "BLAME IT" on your justice system!!!

Great LB, horrrrribleeeeee person.TonyDanzaFan

How do you know?? Do you normally go by what other people say about someone you "NEVER" saw in person?? He could be a bastard in person but until you meet him for yourself you can't come to that conclusion.

Marc

I get that you're a big Ray Lewis fanboy but it's okay to admit that he was at one point a scumbag. You don't have to meet him to figure that out

Marc

I get that you're a big Ray Lewis fanboy but it's okay to admit that he was at one point a scumbag. You don't have to meet him to figure that out

JML897

I can somewhat respect that comment because with any High profile celebrity....there either gonna be loved or hated. The point I was trying to make "Genius" was that since "NOBODY" on this forum actually had a personal conversation with the guy who can really say what type of person he is or why anyone with a "LIFE" should care.

My admiration is from what the guy does on the Football field and that is what we do know....love him or hate him!!!:) @JML897

You don't have to meet a person face-to-face to make educated guesses about their personality.

You don't have to meet a person face-to-face to make educated guesses about their personality.

Oleg_Huzwog

Of course you do. If not it's just a guess, nothing educated about it at all.

You don't have to meet a person face-to-face to make educated guesses about their personality.

Oleg_Huzwog

You are absolutely correct...but that's what's wrong with the internet and media in general, we have an abundance of "SO-CALLED" educated people spoon feeding us information!! As I said before I don't give a darn about Ray or "ANY" celebrities person life(isn't it hard enough taking care of your own)...I only care about what they do concerning their craft.:)

I think the concept of murder is going way too far over your heads.

I'm sure Ray who discovered he got a get out of jail free card in real life totally understands how lucky and got and made sure he was a better person for it. Not gonna knock the concept that maybe the Ray now is not the Ray who killed someone. But acting like people aren't allowed to be disgusted a little bit by a guy who basically got away with murder is ridiculous. It's f*cking murder. The whole "well he's a celeb"...that is so not even worthy of a justification. Most celebs do what? Drugs, bad sex videos, and dumb basic sh1t? This got away with murder(allegedly for all you politically correct people). That's a night and day difference.

Fantastic player, but put some actual thought into a counter argument. Unless you're trolling. In which case at least be entertaining about it.

I think the concept of murder is going way too far over your heads.

I'm sure Ray who discovered he got a get out of jail free card in real life totally understands how lucky and got and made sure he was a better person for it. Not gonna knock the concept that maybe the Ray now is not the Ray who killed someone. But acting like people aren't allowed to be disgusted a little bit by a guy who basically got away with murder is ridiculous. It's f*cking murder. The whole "well he's a celeb"...that is so not even worthy of a justification. Most celebs do what? Drugs, bad sex videos, and dumb basic sh1t? This got away with murder(allegedly for all you politically correct people). That's a night and day difference.

Fantastic player, but put some actual thought into a counter argument. Unless you're trolling. In which case at least be entertaining about it.

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