Steve Nash VS John Stockton

Just thought I make this poll for fun.

First of all, Steve Nash is my 2nd favorite player in the NBA right now, Dwight Howard being my first. And I know there will always be that comparison to John Stockton.

So let's finally settle this: who do you think is better? Steve Nash or John Stockton?

Although Nash is one of my favorite players, and although they're both very similar, I have to say that John Stockton is the better player because he was a awesome defensive player having the NBA records in steals and being a 5x NBA All-defensive second team, which is pretty darn good! As for Steve Nash's defense...well, he's certainly getting better, but Stockton was a tremendous defensive player, which is why I give him an edge.

What do you guys think?

I would also say Stockton over Nash, but what I think is really cool is that according to John Hollingers list of best shooters of all time, Steve Nash is number one! It's a really cool list!

This is not even a question. Steve Nash is one of the most overrated point guards of all time. John Stockton is probably the best PG besides Magic Johnson. Nash plays absolutely no defense and has never won a god damn thing. Not only is Stockton better than Nash, Isiah Thomas is too, among others. Seriously, I don't get it with Nash. He's mediocre at the beginning of his career, then he has 5 good years in Phoenix and people are ready to call him one of the top 5 PG's ever? Come on now, I thought longevity counted for something in the NBA I watched Stocktons teams kick the living piss out of my Lakers when I was a kid. It's hard for me to think of a tougher player I've seen, and I HATE the Jazz.-Halftime-

Nash kicked the piss out of Kobe and the Lakers for a couple years too...

I agree that Stockton is the better player but give credit where credit is due, Nash has been a fantastic player and if it weren't for some REALLY bad luck in the playoffs he would have a ring.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]This is not even a question. Steve Nash is one of the most overrated point guards of all time. John Stockton is probably the best PG besides Magic Johnson. Nash plays absolutely no defense and has never won a god damn thing. Not only is Stockton better than Nash, Isiah Thomas is too, among others. Seriously, I don't get it with Nash. He's mediocre at the beginning of his career, then he has 5 good years in Phoenix and people are ready to call him one of the top 5 PG's ever? Come on now, I thought longevity counted for something in the NBA I watched Stocktons teams kick the living piss out of my Lakers when I was a kid. It's hard for me to think of a tougher player I've seen, and I HATE the Jazz.Fuzzy_Bear123

Nash kicked the piss out of Kobe and the Lakers for a couple years too...

I agree that Stockton is the better player but give credit where credit is due, Nash has been a fantastic player and if it weren't for some REALLY bad luck in the playoffs he would have a ring.

John Stockton hands down.

John Stockton for me too.

[QUOTE="Fuzzy_Bear123"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]This is not even a question. Steve Nash is one of the most overrated point guards of all time. John Stockton is probably the best PG besides Magic Johnson. Nash plays absolutely no defense and has never won a god damn thing. Not only is Stockton better than Nash, Isiah Thomas is too, among others. Seriously, I don't get it with Nash. He's mediocre at the beginning of his career, then he has 5 good years in Phoenix and people are ready to call him one of the top 5 PG's ever? Come on now, I thought longevity counted for something in the NBA I watched Stocktons teams kick the living piss out of my Lakers when I was a kid. It's hard for me to think of a tougher player I've seen, and I HATE the Jazz.-Halftime-

Nash kicked the piss out of Kobe and the Lakers for a couple years too...

I agree that Stockton is the better player but give credit where credit is due, Nash has been a fantastic player and if it weren't for some REALLY bad luck in the playoffs he would have a ring.

You really hate Nash....

seriously your bias hate is ridiculous, give credit, if nash is as bad as you say why does he have two MVPs (one more than Kobe). Nash took a basement team to a first in the west....Kobe never did that hes won with allstars like SHAQ and Gasol. When he didn't have allstars on his team, his season was ended twice by the suns (maybe thats why you hate them)....

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="Fuzzy_Bear123"]

Nash kicked the piss out of Kobe and the Lakers for a couple years too...

I agree that Stockton is the better player but give credit where credit is due, Nash has been a fantastic player and if it weren't for some REALLY bad luck in the playoffs he would have a ring.

You really hate Nash....

seriously your bias hate is ridiculous, give credit, if nash is as bad as you say why does he have two MVPs (one more than Kobe). Nash took a basement team to a first in the west....Kobe never did that hes won with allstars like SHAQ and Gasol. When he didn't have allstars on his team, his season was ended twice by the suns (maybe thats why you hate them)....

John Stockton but Steve Nash is a great player too.

Stockton was good but the Jazz were fine without him. For example in his one of 2 seasons when he missed games, he missed 18 games and the Jazz STILL won 60+ games.

On the other hand, when Steve Nash goes down, the Suns don't win crap. Nash is more valuable, but Stockton has better skills (and he played D too). They are different type of players, actually.

Stockton was good but the Jazz were fine without him. For example in his one of 2 seasons when he missed games, he missed 18 games and the Jazz STILL won 60+ games.

On the other hand, when Steve Nash goes down, the Suns don't win crap. Nash is more valuable, but Stockton has better skills (and he played D too). They are different type of players, actually.

AHUGECAT

Really?

The season Stockton went down for 18 games they had 7 losses including losing back to back games twice for a record of 11-7

With Stockton they only lost 13 more and never lost more then one in a row with win streaks of 7, 8, and 11 games for the rest of the season going 51-13

Gotta go with John Stockton.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="Fuzzy_Bear123"]

Nash kicked the piss out of Kobe and the Lakers for a couple years too...

I agree that Stockton is the better player but give credit where credit is due, Nash has been a fantastic player and if it weren't for some REALLY bad luck in the playoffs he would have a ring.

RahXephon101

You really hate Nash....

seriously your bias hate is ridiculous, give credit, if nash is as bad as you say why does he have two MVPs (one more than Kobe). Nash took a basement team to a first in the west....Kobe never did that hes won with allstars like SHAQ and Gasol. When he didn't have allstars on his team, his season was ended twice by the suns (maybe thats why you hate them)....

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"] It goes beyond bad luck. Maybe if Nash wasn't such a soft defensive player he might have been able to get into the Finals. You don't deserve anything if you're a waste on the defensive side of the ball, and that's what Nash is, a waste on defense. I'm tired of hearing the excuses for the Suns. If they were better than the Spurs or Mavs in those years they would've proved it on the court. Luck had nothing to do with it. bruinfan617

You really hate Nash....

seriously your bias hate is ridiculous, give credit, if nash is as bad as you say why does he have two MVPs (one more than Kobe). Nash took a basement team to a first in the west....Kobe never did that hes won with allstars like SHAQ and Gasol. When he didn't have allstars on his team, his season was ended twice by the suns (maybe thats why you hate them)....

Please lets not devalue Nash's 2 MVP's.

But Stockton is a muuuchhh better defender than Nash. He's the steals and assits NBA KING.

But Stockton also had Malone his entire carrer which helps with assists.

Very difficult, neither have rings but Nash has 2 MVP's.

It's really a toss up.

Please lets not devalue Nash's 2 MVP's.

But Stockton is a muuuchhh better defender than Nash. He's the steals and assits NBA KING.

But Stockton also had Malone his entire carrer which helps with assists.

Very difficult, neither have rings but Nash has 2 MVP's.

It's really a toss up.

hkhatir

No, it's really not a toss up

Stockton is one of the 5 best PG's of all time, in the modern era the only point guard you can put above him is Magic.

He was a lock down defender and had the best court vision in the history of the game.

He had a role to play on the Jazz and he did it perfectly. He was asked to be a facilitator and he did it without question. He could have easily been a guy who put up 25/10 every night but he was asked to make sure everyone else with involved and distribute instead.

Game in and game out he was responsible for 33 points a night

John Stockton hands down.

Stockton is the better overall player, mainly thanks to defense, but Nash is one of the best shooters and passers the point guard position has ever seen. If Nash had Stockton's defensive abilities then he would go down as the 2nd best pg behind Magic, but he doesn't so he'll probably be stuck in a top 10 slot somewhere.Lostboy1224

Nash shoots 49% from the floor
Stockton shot 52%

Nash has 8.3 assists a game
Stockton had 10.5

Stockton is the better shooter, passer, and defensive player

Are you asking me to choose between my 2 favorite players of all time...seriously? i'm a Suns fan only for Steve Nash, best PG of this decade, but in the end, Stockton was in a completely other level, if you put this 2 guys in one team in their prime, no doubt Nash would be the Stockton bench, Stockton could be the best PG of all time (Next to Magic, which BTW is my third favorite player of all time).

Stockton is the better player by far

this is actually a question? :lol:

Stockton is the better player by far

this is actually a question? :lol:

andyboiii

[QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Stockton is the better player by far

this is actually a question? :lol:

ASK_Story

Stockton is the better player everywhere

He shot the ball better then Nash does. Stockton was not asked to score and Nash doesn't even score 2 more per game over him.

Also you can't say that Stockton's assist record is because of Malone because that's not the only guy who was on the team. If Stockton's assist numbers are off because of who he played with what about Magic and the Showtime Lakers?

Nash isn't close to Stockton anywhere. Everything that Nash gets praised for Stockton did much better. Nash doesn't win in one single comparison

I'm kinda shocked people actually say Nash is better, there's not one piece of evidence that suggests that

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="andyboiii"]

Stockton is the better player by far

this is actually a question? :lol:

Jaysonguy

Stockton is the better player everywhere

He shot the ball better then Nash does. Stockton was not asked to score and Nash doesn't even score 2 more per game over him.

Also you can't say that Stockton's assist record is because of Malone because that's not the only guy who was on the team. If Stockton's assist numbers are off because of who he played with what about Magic and the Showtime Lakers?

Nash isn't close to Stockton anywhere. Everything that Nash gets praised for Stockton did much better. Nash doesn't win in one single comparison

I'm kinda shocked people actually say Nash is better, there's not one piece of evidence that suggests that

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[QUOTE="ASK_Story"] No, because I know a few people that think Nash is better. I think offensively, Nash is more athletic and a better scorer. Both are about even when it comes to leadership and dishing out the ball for assists, although Stockton got more, but you can arguably say it's because of Malone. And both are pretty tough. Stockton was tough and so is Nash, especially getting banged up during the playoffs against the Spurs. But I gave Stockton the edge because of his defense. That's where Stockton is better.ASK_Story

Stockton is the better player everywhere

He shot the ball better then Nash does. Stockton was not asked to score and Nash doesn't even score 2 more per game over him.

Also you can't say that Stockton's assist record is because of Malone because that's not the only guy who was on the team. If Stockton's assist numbers are off because of who he played with what about Magic and the Showtime Lakers?

Nash isn't close to Stockton anywhere. Everything that Nash gets praised for Stockton did much better. Nash doesn't win in one single comparison

I'm kinda shocked people actually say Nash is better, there's not one piece of evidence that suggests that

That's really nothing though

In Nash's two MVP seasons he averaged....

15.5 points and 11.5 assists with 1 steal per game
18.8 points with 10.5 assists with .8 steals a game

Now if Stockton was in the league during that time his 17.2 points and 14.5 assists and 2.65 steals a game in the 89-90 season would have beaten out either season Nash got the MVP.

MVP's don't mean much when you're talking historical sense, Nash is playing in a weaker league with diluted talent.

Yes, Nash completely deserved those MVP's but his numbers aren't that great when you compare him to Stockton's career numbers let alone his ten year prime

Its Steve Nash obviously, its all about skills, he has the fundamentals, he could kill with only fundamentals

[QUOTE="Fuzzy_Bear123"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]This is not even a question. Steve Nash is one of the most overrated point guards of all time. John Stockton is probably the best PG besides Magic Johnson. Nash plays absolutely no defense and has never won a god damn thing. Not only is Stockton better than Nash, Isiah Thomas is too, among others. Seriously, I don't get it with Nash. He's mediocre at the beginning of his career, then he has 5 good years in Phoenix and people are ready to call him one of the top 5 PG's ever? Come on now, I thought longevity counted for something in the NBA I watched Stocktons teams kick the living piss out of my Lakers when I was a kid. It's hard for me to think of a tougher player I've seen, and I HATE the Jazz.-Halftime-

Nash kicked the piss out of Kobe and the Lakers for a couple years too...

I agree that Stockton is the better player but give credit where credit is due, Nash has been a fantastic player and if it weren't for some REALLY bad luck in the playoffs he would have a ring.

Oh and this isn't even a question, only a homer Suns fan would actually think Nash is better than Stockton. I hate the Jazz more than any team in the leauge since the days of Stockton and Malone, but I know how good Stockton was and it was certainly better than Nash.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Stockton is the better player everywhere

He shot the ball better then Nash does. Stockton was not asked to score and Nash doesn't even score 2 more per game over him.

Also you can't say that Stockton's assist record is because of Malone because that's not the only guy who was on the team. If Stockton's assist numbers are off because of who he played with what about Magic and the Showtime Lakers?

Nash isn't close to Stockton anywhere. Everything that Nash gets praised for Stockton did much better. Nash doesn't win in one single comparison

I'm kinda shocked people actually say Nash is better, there's not one piece of evidence that suggests that

Jaysonguy

That's really nothing though

In Nash's two MVP seasons he averaged....

15.5 points and 11.5 assists with 1 steal per game
18.8 points with 10.5 assists with .8 steals a game

Now if Stockton was in the league during that time his 17.2 points and 14.5 assists and 2.65 steals a game in the 89-90 season would have beaten out either season Nash got the MVP.

MVP's don't mean much when you're talking historical sense, Nash is playing in a weaker league with diluted talent.

Yes, Nash completely deserved those MVP's but his numbers aren't that great when you compare him to Stockton's career numbers let alone his ten year prime

If your going to throw up the assist comparison, you have to realize Stockton ran the pick and roll 3oout 4 plays with Karl Malon who usually would score a lot. So playing with one of the best PF in the game for most of your career can't hurt your stats. I like steve's ability to get creative and make something out of nothing then just run the same play over and over again. Stockton is better but hating on Nash for defense in a league that barely plays defense seems a bit unreasonable.Lostboy1224

[QUOTE="Lostboy1224"]If your going to throw up the assist comparison, you have to realize Stockton ran the pick and roll 3oout 4 plays with Karl Malon who usually would score a lot. So playing with one of the best PF in the game for most of your career can't hurt your stats. I like steve's ability to get creative and make something out of nothing then just run the same play over and over again. Stockton is better but hating on Nash for defense in a league that barely plays defense seems a bit unreasonable.-Halftime-

I dont remember seeing Stockton play alot as a kid. I just remember him when the Jazz played the Bulls.

If I had to choose between the two I'd have to go with John Stockton. He has better stats (which I know you cant base it all that) and he made it to the Finals twice but had to face Michael Jordan which was kinda of "nothing you can do about that" situation. I mean I dont blame the Jazz or Jerry Sloan for loosing those Finals....they were facing the greatest of all time.

While I don't really like Steve Nash I have to admit he does play well so I can understand him winning at least 1 of his MVPs. But 2? I dont think so. Something alot of people don see or notice is that Steve tends to loose the ball quite a few times. Sometimes in big games.

He lost the ball to the Lakers when Kobe made the buzzerbeater. Regardless of the fact the Suns still won that series....it was a big possession and he lost ball. Ive also seen him loose the ball through out the regular seasons.

Also, at times it seems his judgement is just off. In that game they lost to the Spurs, he had a chance to make a buzzerbeater and send it to overtime. He's clearly the Sun's best player in terms of shooting yet instead of the taking the 3point attempt himself, which he had space to get off,he passed the ball which was too late.

Similar situation in a game they lost to the Bobcats. He could have made a buzzerbeater but he passed the ball to Jared Dudley who had like 3 players crowding him and barely any time on the clock.

Steve Nash would also be my favorite player in the league today.

But John Stockton played like 19 years, never missed a lot of games (except that one season), holds God knows how many records for steals and assists, went to the Finals twice, etc. If Steve Nash had played 5 more years like those he played since he went to Phoenix, maybe this conversation would make sense.

I don't know if you could put Nash in the top 5 PGs, but most probably in the top 10. If he wins a championship this season, then we might have to make room for him in the top 5.

So far you gotta go with Magic, Oscar Roberston, Isiah Thomas, Cousy, Payton, Stockton first, IMO, so I'll put Nash 7th on the strength of his 2 MVPs. You can round out the top 10 with Tiny Archibald, Walt Frazier and Kevin Johnson.

Then again, there's room for debate.