The 2007 Patriots are the best One-Dimensional team ever

I look at it as offensive overkill.

The Colts, Eagles, Ravens and even the Giants ALL could have beaten the Patriots, if only they had a high-quality 3rd string CB.

The Patriots have a GREAT passing offense with a great pass-blocking offensive line - probably the best passing offense ever assembled.

- But their defense is extremely suspect and their running game is practically non-existent.

When teams like the Colts, Ravens, Eagles and Giants are running and passing all over them, they are CLEARLY not the best team ever - at least not the total package.

Take the Eagles for example:

Moss demands a #1 CB with over-the-top safety help. The Eagles had Lito Sheppard and Brian Dawkins to cover that. Moss didn't have a good game against the Eagles - he was bascially shut out.

Stallworth demands at least a #1 CB also - Sheldon Brown cover'd him, with some part- time help from Quentin Mikell.

Now the trouble spots were Wes Welker and Jabar Gaffney. The Eagles had to rely on part-time help with Quentin Mikell AND Omar Gaither dropping back out of the middle, with some help from Joselio Hansen in their modified 3-4/Nickel. The Eagles swiched from their traditional 4-3 to a 3-4 with a Nickel CB in the 4th Linebacker spot, because the Patriots play in shotgun or 5-wide formations almost exclusively.

For the most part, it worked well for the Eagles. But at the end of the game, Brady picked up on Welker a lot in the 4th quarter, because a Linebacker and a 3rd string Nickle CB are just not good enough to cover Welker. So the Eagles, as well as they tried, simply could not keep everyone covered.

The Patriots strength is their ability to score at will through the air with multiple options - but if you pressure Brady consistently, he will throw bad passes. And since their running game is virtually non-existent (save for the occasional draw-play against dime coverage), they are a 1 dimensional team. Fortunately for them, their passing attack is so overwhelming, it's good enough to compensate for their other shortcomings. And there's really no teams in the NFL that have enough quality coverage guys to cover all their recievers.

Just my observation.

but if you pressure Brady consistently, he will throw bad passes

Netherscourge

No, Brady leads the NFL in passer rating against the Blitz.

When you decide you're going to rush Brady you leave the defense to fend for itself which it cannot do.

I don't think the Pats are one dimensional either. They're going with their strength which is the air attack but that's not to say their ground game is poor. This season the Pats are doing better on the ground then they did last season, it's just that they don't need it.

Most teams need to call plays to go for their strength on that particular play. The Pats can line up and beat you no matter what in the air. There's no "only pass when the defense has that package in" situations. It's pass on all downs.

- But their defense is extremely suspect and their running game is practically non-existent.Netherscourge

- when i watched the last game vs. the giants, i can't help but to agree...Eli Manning practically never got touched or pressured?

when you think about the magnitude of any game vs. the Pats in the next month or so, they will have to do better...because every team they're going to face will be playing off their success on another level, just to beat 'em!

every remaining game will be like a superbowl game, i just hope they can pull it off and WIN 3 more games...r u ready 4 some football !

I agree and its pretty pathetic how no team has beat them yet, prevent D the whole game and blitz every few plays and run just about every down with a decent back then the game will be pretty much over. Thats easier said then done of course.zarfbloot

Man your bitter. You spew nothing but hate for what the Patriots have done.

lol one dimensional. a team cant go 16-0 and be one dimensional. they have a very good defense. seau is playing well for his age, brusci, thomas, wilfork, harrison, samuel, vrabel. thats a good d. and there run game is over shadowed by there pass game. im not a pats fan at all. actually a bears fan. and i would take maroney over benson any day. i think your just blind. they went 16-0 which was harder than the dolphins 14-0. pats had two more games and they did it. they wanted it and got it. just congratulate them and move on.xbox360isgr8t

Agreed. They have a solid D (how did that Eagles game end by the way?) and an AMAZING offense. Sure their D could be better but they are solid and have an O that just KILLS! And I'm not a Pats fan at all. I actually used to hate them a lot (still don't like the coach but Brady is a cool guy) so coming from me... it's a big thing.

Don't insult the them, or Osmo will have to come and defend his precious Patriots, and the topic will turn into an argument.SilentSoprano

[QUOTE="zarfbloot"]I agree and its pretty pathetic how no team has beat them yet, prevent D the whole game and blitz every few plays and run just about every down with a decent back then the game will be pretty much over. Thats easier said then done of course.Just_Osmo

Man your bitter. You spew nothing but hate for what the Patriots have done.

Its basically true, the Pats should have lost 3-4 games this year. But they didn't, so congrats on the 16-0 season. But it doesn't mean anything in a league where you aren't considered great that year unless you win the big one. Its also extremely hard as a non Pats fan to congratulate them when its an extremely shady organization filled with cocky / showboating players.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="zarfbloot"]I agree and its pretty pathetic how no team has beat them yet, prevent D the whole game and blitz every few plays and run just about every down with a decent back then the game will be pretty much over. Thats easier said then done of course.goodlay

Man your bitter. You spew nothing but hate for what the Patriots have done.

Its basically true, the Pats should have lost 3-4 games this year. But they didn't, so congrats on the 16-0 season. But it doesn't mean anything in a league where you aren't considered great that year unless you win the big one. Its also extremely hard as a non Pats fan to congratulate them when its an extremely shady organization filled with cocky / showboating players.

I imagine it's pretty hard to be humble when you're stomping on the best football players in the world week in and week out...

Don't insult the them, or Osmo will have to come and defend his precious Patriots, and the topic will turn into an argument.SilentSoprano

So when someone makes a THREAD in which he wishes to bash a team no one is allowed to come in and defend said team? I thought that was the point of him posting a THREAD, to have a discussion about his ideas and thoughts, or did they change the point of a message board in the past few days?

PS: It's not just my precious Patriots. I will defend any Home Team. Be it the Bruins or the Sox.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="zarfbloot"]I agree and its pretty pathetic how no team has beat them yet, prevent D the whole game and blitz every few plays and run just about every down with a decent back then the game will be pretty much over. Thats easier said then done of course.goodlay

Man your bitter. You spew nothing but hate for what the Patriots have done.

Its basically true, the Pats should have lost 3-4 games this year. But they didn't, so congrats on the 16-0 season. But it doesn't mean anything in a league where you aren't considered great that year unless you win the big one. Its also extremely hard as a non Pats fan to congratulate them when its an extremely shady organization filled with cocky / showboating players.

Please illuminate us to what players showboat on the Pats.

[QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="zarfbloot"]I agree and its pretty pathetic how no team has beat them yet, prevent D the whole game and blitz every few plays and run just about every down with a decent back then the game will be pretty much over. Thats easier said then done of course.Jaysonguy

Man your bitter. You spew nothing but hate for what the Patriots have done.

Its basically true, the Pats should have lost 3-4 games this year. But they didn't, so congrats on the 16-0 season. But it doesn't mean anything in a league where you aren't considered great that year unless you win the big one. Its also extremely hard as a non Pats fan to congratulate them when its an extremely shady organization filled with cocky / showboating players.

Please illuminate us to what players showboat on the Pats.

oh dont sue if every once in a while some guy playing for the pats celebrate...i didnt know the pats were the only team that celebrates / sarcasm

a quote thats rodney harrison said "we dont talk, we produce", its hilarious to see but its tru

[QUOTE="zarfbloot"]I agree and its pretty pathetic how no team has beat them yet, prevent D the whole game and blitz every few plays and run just about every down with a decent back then the game will be pretty much over. Thats easier said then done of course.Just_Osmo

Man your bitter. You spew nothing but hate for what the Patriots have done.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="zarfbloot"]I agree and its pretty pathetic how no team has beat them yet, prevent D the whole game and blitz every few plays and run just about every down with a decent back then the game will be pretty much over. Thats easier said then done of course.BeanTownBrown86

Man your bitter. You spew nothing but hate for what the Patriots have done.

Its basically true, the Pats should have lost 3-4 games this year. But they didn't, so congrats on the 16-0 season. But it doesn't mean anything in a league where you aren't considered great that year unless you win the big one. Its also extremely hard as a non Pats fan to congratulate them when its an extremely shady organization filled with cocky / showboating players.

Please illuminate us to what players showboat on the Pats.

oh dont sue if every once in a while some guy playing for the pats celebrate...i didnt know the pats were the only team that celebrates / sarcasm

a quote thats rodney harrison said "we dont talk, we produce", its hilarious to see but its tru

Im stating my opinion, and there is no reason to prove my point to a bunch of people who are riding the Pats bandwagon and too oblivious to anything else in the NFL

Steve Smith a showboater? LOL please find me some examples of him being disrespectful and acting classless. Im not talking about celebrating like Chad Johnson, hes just having fun, but being cocky and disrespectful like the Pats do, week in and week out. Take Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Vince Wilfort, or Tedi Bruschi for laughing at Wilfort poking Brandon Jacobs in the eye. Or a head coach who thinks its okay to film the other teams signals, yep, definitely HOF material. Oh wait, Belichick was an ignorant and extremely cocky coach in Cleveland, he led them to subpar years for several years. He was the last coach before Cleveland moved to Baltimore, shows how excellent he did there. The fans hated him, he made some of the worst personnel changes for the Browns.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

but if you pressure Brady consistently, he will throw bad passes

Jaysonguy

No, Brady leads the NFL in passer rating against the Blitz.

Where did you see that?

I look at it as offensive overkill.

The Colts, Eagles, Ravens and even the Giants ALL could have beaten the Patriots, if only they had a high-quality 3rd string CB.

The Patriots have a GREAT passing offense with a great pass-blocking offensive line - probably the best passing offense ever assembled.

- But their defense is extremely suspect and their running game is practically non-existent.

When teams like the Colts, Ravens, Eagles and Giants are running and passing all over them, they are CLEARLY not the best team ever - at least not the total package.

Take the Eagles for example:

Moss demands a #1 CB with over-the-top safety help. The Eagles had Lito Sheppard and Brian Dawkins to cover that. Moss didn't have a good game against the Eagles - he was bascially shut out.

Stallworth demands at least a #1 CB also - Sheldon Brown cover'd him, with some part- time help from Quentin Mikell.

Now the trouble spots were Wes Welker and Jabar Gaffney. The Eagles had to rely on part-time help with Quentin Mikell AND Omar Gaither dropping back out of the middle, with some help from Joselio Hansen in their modified 3-4/Nickel. The Eagles swiched from their traditional 4-3 to a 3-4 with a Nickel CB in the 4th Linebacker spot, because the Patriots play in shotgun or 5-wide formations almost exclusively.

For the most part, it worked well for the Eagles. But at the end of the game, Brady picked up on Welker a lot in the 4th quarter, because a Linebacker and a 3rd string Nickle CB are just not good enough to cover Welker. So the Eagles, as well as they tried, simply could not keep everyone covered.

The Patriots strength is their ability to score at will through the air with multiple options - but if you pressure Brady consistently, he will throw bad passes. And since their running game is virtually non-existent (save for the occasional draw-play against dime coverage), they are a 1 dimensional team. Fortunately for them, their passing attack is so overwhelming, it's good enough to compensate for their other shortcomings. And there's really no teams in the NFL that have enough quality coverage guys to cover all their recievers.

Just my observation.

Netherscourge

You're ignoring two things.

1. Benjamin Watson is a good enough TE that you have to either put a very athletic linebacker on him, or give safety help.

2. Maroney and that offensive line are pretty darn good. The fact is that they're not one dimensional. They can pound the football with Maroney, especially since he won't have as much wear and tear

With your plan, any time the Pats brought out three receivers, the defense would have to come out in a nickle formation. Maroney would run all day on a nickle package

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

I look at it as offensive overkill.

The Colts, Eagles, Ravens and even the Giants ALL could have beaten the Patriots, if only they had a high-quality 3rd string CB.

The Patriots have a GREAT passing offense with a great pass-blocking offensive line - probably the best passing offense ever assembled.

- But their defense is extremely suspect and their running game is practically non-existent.

When teams like the Colts, Ravens, Eagles and Giants are running and passing all over them, they are CLEARLY not the best team ever - at least not the total package.

Take the Eagles for example:

Moss demands a #1 CB with over-the-top safety help. The Eagles had Lito Sheppard and Brian Dawkins to cover that. Moss didn't have a good game against the Eagles - he was bascially shut out.

Stallworth demands at least a #1 CB also - Sheldon Brown cover'd him, with some part- time help from Quentin Mikell.

Now the trouble spots were Wes Welker and Jabar Gaffney. The Eagles had to rely on part-time help with Quentin Mikell AND Omar Gaither dropping back out of the middle, with some help from Joselio Hansen in their modified 3-4/Nickel. The Eagles swiched from their traditional 4-3 to a 3-4 with a Nickel CB in the 4th Linebacker spot, because the Patriots play in shotgun or 5-wide formations almost exclusively.

For the most part, it worked well for the Eagles. But at the end of the game, Brady picked up on Welker a lot in the 4th quarter, because a Linebacker and a 3rd string Nickle CB are just not good enough to cover Welker. So the Eagles, as well as they tried, simply could not keep everyone covered.

The Patriots strength is their ability to score at will through the air with multiple options - but if you pressure Brady consistently, he will throw bad passes. And since their running game is virtually non-existent (save for the occasional draw-play against dime coverage), they are a 1 dimensional team. Fortunately for them, their passing attack is so overwhelming, it's good enough to compensate for their other shortcomings. And there's really no teams in the NFL that have enough quality coverage guys to cover all their recievers.

Just my observation.

slateman_basic

You're ignoring two things.

1. Benjamin Watson is a good enough TE that you have to either put a very athletic linebacker on him, or give safety help.

2. Maroney and that offensive line are pretty darn good. The fact is that they're not one dimensional. They can pound the football with Maroney, especially since he won't have as much wear and tear

With your plan, any time the Pats brought out three receivers, the defense would have to come out in a nickle formation. Maroney would run all day on a nickle package

also, the running game started out weak, but has gotten noticeably better in the last month. Teams aren't stuck with 1 persona for a whole season, the pats strength is that they learn from their mistakes.

Espn took polls about the pats and the different areas in which people can place hate, most people felt, including most media sources, that the patriots are unusually humble for all their success, and people only really hate bellchick's "attitude". They arent much of a showboating team, and the only reason they beat certain teams into a pulp is because they approach every game with equal intensity and seriousness, they don't underestimate and are therefore accused of foolish crap like running up the score. This is professional sports, and the pats display mostly a high level of professionalism.hmac777

running up the score is showboating.....[QUOTE="hmac777"]Espn took polls about the pats and the different areas in which people can place hate, most people felt, including most media sources, that the patriots are unusually humble for all their success, and people only really hate bellchick's "attitude". They arent much of a showboating team, and the only reason they beat certain teams into a pulp is because they approach every game with equal intensity and seriousness, they don't underestimate and are therefore accused of foolish crap like running up the score. This is professional sports, and the pats display mostly a high level of professionalism.squitsquat

Runnign up the score jesus. More of this? They barely ever played the 4th quarter except in close games.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

but if you pressure Brady consistently, he will throw bad passes

manningbowl135

No, Brady leads the NFL in passer rating against the Blitz.

Where did you see that?

ESPNEWS, they broke down what is needed to beat the Pats and showed that when pressured he's got the highest QB rating.

running up the score is showboating..... squitsquat

No, playing out the game is called playing out the game.

Looks like it helped because they needed it in a few games this season. They were ready to go in the 4th quarter.

I don't understand the part about the Pats running up the score. If you don't want them scoring them STOP them, it's just that simple.

I also love the fans that complain about the Pats having their starters in once they're up by a few touchdowns but see no problem when their own starters are left in the game trying to make the loss not look so bad.

the only reason the Pats beat the Ravens were because of some bogus calls at the end. Even the Patriots themselves admitted it. Unbeatable my ***.mohfrontline

41 posts and so far 25% of them are pats hating. Butt hurt much?

Holding isn't a Bogus call. After 5 yards you are not allowed to touch the reciever. It's a must call. Holding them for 2 more yards will offset the timing on the routes and change a play totally.

PS: Link me to the pats saying theyw ere bogus calls. Please do.

[QUOTE="squitsquat"]running up the score is showboating..... Jaysonguy

No, playing out the game is called playing out the game.

Looks like it helped because they needed it in a few games this season. They were ready to go in the 4th quarter.

I don't understand the part about the Pats running up the score. If you don't want them scoring them STOP them, it's just that simple.

I also love the fans that complain about the Pats having their starters in once they're up by a few touchdowns but see no problem when their own starters are left in the game trying to make the loss not look so bad.

i know what other way to show good sportsmanship to a team you are killing other than run out the clock is go for it on 4th downs keep throwing the ball on first and 2nd downs[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="squitsquat"]running up the score is showboating..... squitsquat

No, playing out the game is called playing out the game.

Looks like it helped because they needed it in a few games this season. They were ready to go in the 4th quarter.

I don't understand the part about the Pats running up the score. If you don't want them scoring them STOP them, it's just that simple.

I also love the fans that complain about the Pats having their starters in once they're up by a few touchdowns but see no problem when their own starters are left in the game trying to make the loss not look so bad.

No other sport do people expect you to take it easy on a team you are beating. You play to win the game, you don't play to make sure everyone doesn't feel smaller then you.

[QUOTE="squitsquat"]i know what other way to show good sportsmanship to a team you are killing other than run out the clock is go for it on 4th downs keep throwing the ball on first and 2nd downs[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="squitsquat"]running up the score is showboating..... Just_Osmo

No, playing out the game is called playing out the game.

Looks like it helped because they needed it in a few games this season. They were ready to go in the 4th quarter.

I don't understand the part about the Pats running up the score. If you don't want them scoring them STOP them, it's just that simple.

I also love the fans that complain about the Pats having their starters in once they're up by a few touchdowns but see no problem when their own starters are left in the game trying to make the loss not look so bad.

No other sport do people expect you to take it easy on a team you are beating. You play to win the game, you don't play to make sure everyone doesn't feel smaller then you.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

I look at it as offensive overkill.

The Colts, Eagles, Ravens and even the Giants ALL could have beaten the Patriots, if only they had a high-quality 3rd string CB.

The Patriots have a GREAT passing offense with a great pass-blocking offensive line - probably the best passing offense ever assembled.

- But their defense is extremely suspect and their running game is practically non-existent.

When teams like the Colts, Ravens, Eagles and Giants are running and passing all over them, they are CLEARLY not the best team ever - at least not the total package.

Take the Eagles for example:

Moss demands a #1 CB with over-the-top safety help. The Eagles had Lito Sheppard and Brian Dawkins to cover that. Moss didn't have a good game against the Eagles - he was bascially shut out.

Stallworth demands at least a #1 CB also - Sheldon Brown cover'd him, with some part- time help from Quentin Mikell.

Now the trouble spots were Wes Welker and Jabar Gaffney. The Eagles had to rely on part-time help with Quentin Mikell AND Omar Gaither dropping back out of the middle, with some help from Joselio Hansen in their modified 3-4/Nickel. The Eagles swiched from their traditional 4-3 to a 3-4 with a Nickel CB in the 4th Linebacker spot, because the Patriots play in shotgun or 5-wide formations almost exclusively.

For the most part, it worked well for the Eagles. But at the end of the game, Brady picked up on Welker a lot in the 4th quarter, because a Linebacker and a 3rd string Nickle CB are just not good enough to cover Welker. So the Eagles, as well as they tried, simply could not keep everyone covered.

The Patriots strength is their ability to score at will through the air with multiple options - but if you pressure Brady consistently, he will throw bad passes. And since their running game is virtually non-existent (save for the occasional draw-play against dime coverage), they are a 1 dimensional team. Fortunately for them, their passing attack is so overwhelming, it's good enough to compensate for their other shortcomings. And there's really no teams in the NFL that have enough quality coverage guys to cover all their recievers.

Just my observation.

slateman_basic

You're ignoring two things.

1. Benjamin Watson is a good enough TE that you have to either put a very athletic linebacker on him, or give safety help.

2. Maroney and that offensive line are pretty darn good. The fact is that they're not one dimensional. They can pound the football with Maroney, especially since he won't have as much wear and tear

With your plan, any time the Pats brought out three receivers, the defense would have to come out in a nickle formation. Maroney would run all day on a nickle package

Which is why I mentioned that most of Maroney's success comes off of 3 or 4-wide Draw Plays.

They pass so much that they can get away with draw plays alot more often. The Linebackers are so "trained" into dropping back that Maroney and occasionally Faulk, get some good yards on those draw plays.

Watson is OK - but he's not reliable. He drops more passes then he should. He's a good pass-blocker though.

ALSO - another poster asked how the Eagles game ended - it ended with AJ trying to throw the ball away and not putting enough arm into it to get it out of bounds. It wasn't like Samuel jumped the route - AJ overthrow Reggie Brown trying to throw the ball away, but Samuel was behind Brown and managed to snag it before it went out of bounds.

Oddly enough, the Eagles attacked the Patriots the same way the Patriots attack teams - by mismatches with their #3 and #4 recievers. Greg Lewis NEVER has big games - but against the Pats, Greg Lewis was tearing up the middle of the field. I think he caught 2 TD passes in that game too. (G. Lewis caught that late TD in the Superbowl too against the Pats...)

Running up the score = being successful.

If they "ran up the score" against the skins it doesn't say anything bad about the Pats, it says something bad about the quality of the Skins.

Anyone who believes it is the responsibility of the Pats to NOT score so the other team doesn't get hurt feelings (WAAAH!) is an idiot. The Pat's responsibility are to play a full 60 minutes of football. It is the responsibility of the other team to do the same, if they're not capable of the same high level of play the Pats are that is THE OPPOSING TEAM'S fault. It is their responsibility to stop the Pats, not the Pats responsibility to play the other team the first 3 quarters and then play against themselves during the last one. The Pats look out for the Pats, and every other team does the same.

This discussion only exists because other players, coaches, and fans are bitter and embarrassed about their own poor level of play, at times, against the Pats and are desperate to shift the blame. Pure and simple. "It's not our fault we sucked! It's the Pat's fault for scoring so much!!!!!" Lol.

Let's say it's a college game between a nothing college and USC. USC is up 90-0 in the 4th quarter and they bring back all their starters and keep going up and down the field. At that point, I don't know about you, but even if I was a USC fan, I'd be embarrassed at my team. Patriots didn't go that far obviously, but running up the score at it's extreme is just unsportsmanlike. In the NFL, you can say it's nothing b/c they're all professional teams, but in college or HS, it's just beating up and making fun of players that just play the game for fun and that's the definition of unsportsmanlike.

BTW I don't know the reason why the Pats ran up the score, but if they did it b/c they want to play with the same intensity for 60 minutes, then it's not unsportsmanlike. If they did it to humiliate and embarrass the Redskins, then yes it's unsportsmanlike.

Let's say it's a college game between a nothing college and USC. USC is up 90-0 in the 4th quarter and they bring back all their starters and keep going up and down the field. At that point, I don't know about you, but even if I was a USC fan, I'd be embarrassed at my team. Patriots didn't go that far obviously, but running up the score at it's extreme is just unsportsmanlike. In the NFL, you can say it's nothing b/c they're all professional teams, but in college or HS, it's just beating up and making fun of players that just play the game for fun and that's the definition of unsportsmanlike.

BTW I don't know the reason why the Pats ran up the score, but if they did it b/c they want to play with the same intensity for 60 minutes, then it's not unsportsmanlike. If they did it to humiliate and embarrass the Redskins, then yes it's unsportsmanlike.

manningbowl135

First of all, there is no "nothing" team in the NFL, and there is no "Nothing" game that early in the NFL season.It isn't college, and it isn't comparable. I don't care about college ball.

And looking into their "Intent" is ridiculous, because it isn't provable either way. The onlyfact is they did what they were supposed to do, playhard football the entire time they were on the field.Every team goes out to destroy the opposing team, and BB is adamant in making them play with full intensity for the ENTIRE time they're on the field. You don't want your team to get into a rythym of only being able to withstand 3 1/2 quarters of hard ball and then getting used to going into cruise mode. When you get into the playoffs that crap won't get you through, and you have to be prepared.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

Let's say it's a college game between a nothing college and USC. USC is up 90-0 in the 4th quarter and they bring back all their starters and keep going up and down the field. At that point, I don't know about you, but even if I was a USC fan, I'd be embarrassed at my team. Patriots didn't go that far obviously, but running up the score at it's extreme is just unsportsmanlike. In the NFL, you can say it's nothing b/c they're all professional teams, but in college or HS, it's just beating up and making fun of players that just play the game for fun and that's the definition of unsportsmanlike.

BTW I don't know the reason why the Pats ran up the score, but if they did it b/c they want to play with the same intensity for 60 minutes, then it's not unsportsmanlike. If they did it to humiliate and embarrass the Redskins, then yes it's unsportsmanlike.

KingOfKonging

First of all, there is no "nothing" team in the NFL, and there is no "Nothing" game that early in the NFL season.It isn't college, and it isn't comparable. I don't care about college ball.

And looking into their "Intent" is ridiculous, because it isn't provable either way. The onlyfact is they did what they were supposed to do, playhard football the entire time they were on the field.Every team goes out to destroy the opposing team, and BB is adamant in making them play with full intensity for the ENTIRE time they're on the field. You don't want your team to get into a rythym of only being able to withstand 3 1/2 quarters of hard ball and then getting used to going into cruise mode. When you get into the playoffs that crap won't get you through, and you have to be prepared.

By nothing, I meant b/c they're professionals it's different.

And their intent is the thing that tells me whether they played the game b/c they wanted to play hard 60 minutes or b/c the y wanted to embarrass the opponent. I don't know their intent, which is why I never said whether it was unsportsmanlike or not.

The intent isn't even worth discussing, because it isn't provable. You'll never know what they were thinking. It's irrelevant.

Every football team goes out to play as hard as they can (unless they're poor players.) That's what they did.

It not the Pats fault that sometimes the teams they play against aren't up to par.

It is in the Pats best interest to play a hard 60 minutes every time they can, because they'll need that rythym in the games that matter most.

The intent isn't even worth discussing, because it isn't provable. You'll never know what they were thinking. It's irrelevant.

KingOfKonging

WTF? The intent isn't provable, so all we have is they ran up the score on the skins. I won't make a conclusion of bad or good on that b/c I don't know why they did it. You can if you want to.

To make it clearer: What we're talking about here is not what they did, but why they did it. As you said, we don't know why they did it. So there's no point in discussing it.

If I remember right, Boston was up big over Washington on a 4th and short play and opted to go for a TD instead of a punt... and later they still opted to thorw deep to Moss late in the game up big... why not jes run the clock out and get your HB some touches instead of showin up another team they are obviously head and shoulders better in a game they already won? If they can't stop the run, it's not the Pats fault.

I remember Chargers vs Texans in the Texans home, whoever the QB was for them, threw a late INT to Charger D and San Diego had the game sealed with less than 1 minute somthin left and we ended up in their endzone. They coulda jes gave LT the ball 3x and kick a FG, but instead, they showed c l a s s & mercy to the homecrowd and kneed the game over.

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Hmmm... last 3 weeks we already have, went up big on the Raiders, Broncos, and Lions, took LT, Rivers, and Gates out, and jes let Volek hand off to Mighty Mouse (Darren Sproles, lol he's the Earl Boykins of this NFL ish) to close out games usaully mid way through the third quarter. We coulda easily pulled a Bellichick and leave the starters in and go for 70 points on Detroit, but we didnt.

What was that you said???

So you'd rather risk injury on what would by then (assuming the situation is that your team is already in a commanding lead with no chance of a comeback) be a already decided meaningless game for padded stats and a few extra yards? I mean, look at Pittsburgh, they pretty much already lost the 3rd see to the Chargers, but left some of their starters in including Willie Parker... what happened? Yeah, and I bet Steeler fans wished that their coaches did what Coach Dungy did with the Colts and rest their starters in a meaningless game.

Hold on... so playing more = more energy? I thought rest = more energy? These are professional NFL athletes, they go through drills and excersizes in practice so I'm not worried about stamina.

And we most definately are capable of finishing a game and comeback, jes look at 3-17 comeback vs Tenesee mid way through the 4th.