The new OT rules are terrible

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#1 monkeytoes61
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Here's why. The main complaint against sudden death is that one team might not get to touch the ball. They say it isn't fair. Ok, so tell me this. How is the new rule any more fair? Think about it. You lose the kickoff and get the ball first. You drive down the field and score. But the whole way down for you, it is three down territory. Now that the other team sees that they will need to score, it's fourdown territory for them. The team that goes second basically gets an extra down. How is that more fair than sudden death?

Something else that doesn't make sense. Why only do this for the playoffs? You are experimenting in the most important games of the year? How does that make any sense?

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#2 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Be smart and go for the onside kick. If you get it and score game over without the other team getting the ball still :D
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#3 Colin1192
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the regular season OT rules suck, and these are a slight improvement, but still suck

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#4 JML897
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Something else that doesn't make sense. Why only do this for the playoffs? You are experimenting in the most important games of the year? How does that make any sense?

monkeytoes61

That's the thing about this that bothers me the most.

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#5 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]

Something else that doesn't make sense. Why only do this for the playoffs? You are experimenting in the most important games of the year? How does that make any sense?

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That's the thing about this that bothers me the most.

They were trying to get it in all the games, but it didn't work out...
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#6 Bobbles
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They didn't change the rules because of "only one team touches the ball". They changed the rules because of the accuracy of kickers has greatly improved over the years.If you get the ball first and score a TD, game over. The other team doesn't touch the ball. If they changed the rules because only one team touched the ball, they would've made it that way.
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#7 TheColbert
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It's not perfect but I like it better than what was there before. Return team has a good run, a decent pass and the games over. This way there is a better chance for the other team to get the ball and if can score a TD then you sill still win the game no matter what.
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#8 X360PS3AMD05
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It does make sense, if they want 4 downs they can go for it too, nobody stopping you. I loled today when everyone here was like "oh yah they only did it cause of Brett Favre"
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#9 doylerules29
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nfl should just adopt the college OT rules but their ego is getting in the way, same goes with replay, they don't want to admit college got it right

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#10 JML897
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nfl should just adopt the college OT rules

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I really hope they never do that. It's like a shootout in hockey and soccer (which I also don't like) -- both teams play the game a certain way for 60 minutes and then you completely change the way the game is played to decide who the winner is (eliminating most special teams, giving the offense a huge advantage each time, etc).

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nfl should just adopt the college OT rules but their ego is getting in the way, same goes with replay, they don't want to admit college got it right

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Starting overtime at the 25 or 30 is a terrible idea
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#12 XCNormX
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I like it the new OT rules, I have never wanted them to adopt the college OT rules because starting at the 25 is stupid, driving the ball is what its all about, shows how strong an offense is to drive it, and how strong a deffense is to stop 'em. But I like this rule because to rely on a damn coin flip to pretty much map out whats going to happen is dumb, one team has been destroying the other but yet they came back so its time to go into OT and the other team wins the coin flip and goes down just a ways and kick a field goal and its over -_-c'mon let the other team touch the ball and give there offense a chance to show what they've shown ALL game long thats why I like it. A game doesn't need to be decided on a sloppy drive and a good kick.

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#13 blackngold29
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I would rather go with the college OT rules than this format. Although to be fair, watching a few games with this format will be interesting. They should have the same format for regular season and playoffs though.
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Just add another quarter and call it good.

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Here's why. The main complaint against sudden death is that one team might not get to touch the ball. They say it isn't fair. Ok, so tell me this. How is the new rule any more fair? Think about it. You lose the kickoff and get the ball first. You drive down the field and score. But the whole way down for you, it is three down territory. Now that the other team sees that they will need to score, it's fourdown territory for them. The team that goes second basically gets an extra down. How is that more fair than sudden death?

Something else that doesn't make sense. Why only do this for the playoffs? You are experimenting in the most important games of the year? How does that make any sense?

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Technically, yes, it IS 4 down territory for the other team. But only if they're not in field goal range. When they get into field goal range and they get to 4th down, they'll kicked the FG to tie it up. And after that, it's sudden death again. The idea is to give the other team a possession.
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Wouldn't a better solution be to give each team at least one guaranteed possession? So say team A wins the coin toss and scores a TD, the game is not over yet because team B still gets one possession. If they tie up the game then it goes to sudden death. Obviously if they don't score on their possession the game is over. Seems the most fair because with the new rules it can still potentially come down to a coin toss (if the team that wins it scores a TD first). Also, if after each team has had their possession and neither has scored, it still goes to sudden death again.
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Wouldn't a better solution be to give each team at least one guaranteed possession? So say team A wins the coin toss and scores a TD, the game is not over yet because team B still gets one possession. If they tie up the game then it goes to sudden death. Obviously if they don't score on their possession the game is over. Seems the most fair because with the new rules it can still potentially come down to a coin toss (if the team that wins it scores a TD first). Also, if after each team has had their possession and neither has scored, it still goes to sudden death again.channtheman1
I disagree. I understand the notion that you want to give both sides a chance to win it. But football is a team sport. Your defense has to come to play just as much as the offense. If a defense lets the other team score then it simply wasn't good enough. The other point I want to make is something I saw on NFL Network awhile back. I believe it was Steve Wyche who brought the statistic up. Of the last 22 OT games only 1 team scored on the opening possession and won the game. This new OT rule is a knee jerk reaction to the Saints beating the Vikings at the NFC Championship game and Brett Favre never touching the ball in OT. The more amazing statistic is only around 15% of every OT game of all time is decided by the opening possession. That confirms to me that no change was necessary.
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I just think they should put 7 minutes on the clock. And just let them play. Give each team 2 time outs. No challenges. Only booth. Whoever has the highest score at the end wins. If they're still tied, do it again. 4 minutes. 1 time out. Still tied? 2 minutes. 1 time out. If a team never got the chance of possession during the period and time has expired, the team is given a possession with 1 extra minute on the clock.
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#20 monkeytoes61
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I guess my biggest problem might only be specific to me, but there is no suspense in non sudden death. There is nothing that keeps me on the edge of my seat if I know the other team will inevitably get their own chance to score. But in sudden death, any one play game change the game. That keeps me entertained. Watching a college football game go into OT is terribly boring.
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[QUOTE="channtheman1"]Wouldn't a better solution be to give each team at least one guaranteed possession? So say team A wins the coin toss and scores a TD, the game is not over yet because team B still gets one possession. If they tie up the game then it goes to sudden death. Obviously if they don't score on their possession the game is over. Seems the most fair because with the new rules it can still potentially come down to a coin toss (if the team that wins it scores a TD first). Also, if after each team has had their possession and neither has scored, it still goes to sudden death again.frostybanana
I disagree. I understand the notion that you want to give both sides a chance to win it. But football is a team sport. Your defense has to come to play just as much as the offense. If a defense lets the other team score then it simply wasn't good enough. The other point I want to make is something I saw on NFL Network awhile back. I believe it was Steve Wyche who brought the statistic up. Of the last 22 OT games only 1 team scored on the opening possession and won the game. This new OT rule is a knee jerk reaction to the Saints beating the Vikings at the NFC Championship game and Brett Favre never touching the ball in OT. The more amazing statistic is only around 15% of every OT game of all time is decided by the opening possession. That confirms to me that no change was necessary.

Exactly. And people complaining about Favre not getting the ball? He had his chance to end it in regulation and he threw it away. Why should he get another chance?

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#22 blackngold29
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I guess my biggest problem might only be specific to me, but there is no suspense in non sudden death. There is nothing that keeps me on the edge of my seat if I know the other team will inevitably get their own chance to score. But in sudden death, any one play game change the game. That keeps me entertained. Watching a college football game go into OT is terribly boring.monkeytoes61
I think the suspense comes in knowing that a team can be in the situation that theyhave to score or they lose, which turns out to be the case in most college OT games.

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[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="channtheman1"]Wouldn't a better solution be to give each team at least one guaranteed possession? So say team A wins the coin toss and scores a TD, the game is not over yet because team B still gets one possession. If they tie up the game then it goes to sudden death. Obviously if they don't score on their possession the game is over. Seems the most fair because with the new rules it can still potentially come down to a coin toss (if the team that wins it scores a TD first). Also, if after each team has had their possession and neither has scored, it still goes to sudden death again.monkeytoes61

I disagree. I understand the notion that you want to give both sides a chance to win it. But football is a team sport. Your defense has to come to play just as much as the offense. If a defense lets the other team score then it simply wasn't good enough. The other point I want to make is something I saw on NFL Network awhile back. I believe it was Steve Wyche who brought the statistic up. Of the last 22 OT games only 1 team scored on the opening possession and won the game. This new OT rule is a knee jerk reaction to the Saints beating the Vikings at the NFC Championship game and Brett Favre never touching the ball in OT. The more amazing statistic is only around 15% of every OT game of all time is decided by the opening possession. That confirms to me that no change was necessary.

Exactly. And people complaining about Favre not getting the ball? He had his chance to end it in regulation and he threw it away. Why should he get another chance?

Because Drew Brees got another chance. People felt that since Vikings offensive completely outplayed the Saints (and almost won with 5 turnovers) that it was unfair they did not get to touch the ball in OT. If it remember correctly this very forum was filled with quite a few angry NFL fans. To be honest, I was one of them. But I think we were looking at it wrong. frostybanana is right, the Vikings DID get another chance. Their defense collapsed in OT and let the Saints walk into FG range. The defense is part of your team too.
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#24 X360PS3AMD05
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It's something people have talked about for years, i don't think that one game is the reason it got changed. Winning a coin flip, passing for 20 yards and kicking a field goal is weak! The game decided by the guy that rarely even plays out there. Go back to the old rules only if you say FG don't count in OT you have to score TDs
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#25 frostybanana
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It's something people have talked about for years, i don't think that one game is the reason it got changed. Winning a coin flip, passing for 20 yards and kicking a field goal is weak! The game decided by the guy that rarely even plays out there. Go back to the old rules only if you say FG don't count in OT you have to score TDsX360PS3AMD05
I can say, without any reservations, that they did change the OT rules SOLELY because of the football game (the 2010 NFC Championship game). Like I said before, OT games are rarely decided by who wins the coin flip. It's not as easy as just passing for 20 yards and kicking a field goal. And if it is, the other teams defense is at fault. There are 3 phases of the game, offense, defense and special teams. If you only had to pass for 20 yards to get a field goal, realistically you'd have to be at midfield first. Who's fault is it that the offense gets the ball at the 50? It's the kickoff special teams unit's fault. They let the opponent get the ball to the 50. On average teams start somewhere around their 25. That means they have to get the ball 50 yards down the field to have a legitimate shot at a field goal. The kicker, then, has to make the clutch field goal. And when the defense is playing you based on that, it's actually really tough to get down the field. That's why the game is rarely decided by the coin flip. It's about playing all phases of the game. There is nothing weak about kicking a field goal to win the game in OT. The truth is, everyone was crying about how Brett Favre didn't touch the ball in OT. The Vikings had outplayed the Saints all game long. Favre throws a pick at the end and the Saints tie it up. People wanted to watch Favre have a chance in OT because they felt like he played well all game and he earned another chance. But you know what, Brett Favre is not the Minnesota Vikings. He's one player in a group of 50+ other players. So if his defense can't stop the other teams offense from kicking a field goal, then they, as a team aren't good enough. I don't care how good your offense is, your defense better get the job done too.
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#26 limpbizkit818
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Favre throws a pick at the end and the Saints tie it up.frostybanana

To be a stickler, the game was already tied when he threw the pick.

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#27 jg4xchamp
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The rule is if the team that wins the kickoff gets a field goal the other team gets a chance to either tie or td. However if a TD happens that team wins no matter what. It pretty much makes sure OT games don't end so quickly on easy field goals.
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[QUOTE="frostybanana"]Favre throws a pick at the end and the Saints tie it up.limpbizkit818

To be a stickler, the game was already tied when he threw the pick.

I know, what I meant was the Saints had tied it up when he threw the pick in FG range.
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#29 X360PS3AMD05
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Exactly there are 3 phases of the game, so all 3 should get a shot in OT.
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#30 frostybanana
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Exactly there are 3 phases of the game, so all 3 should get a shot in OT.X360PS3AMD05
Look at the statistic of teams who win on the opening possession. It doesn't happen often. Why fix something that's not broken. It's a knee jerk reaction. If your team is one of the very few teams to allow the opponent to get into field goal range and get the winning score, then that's on your defense. Maybe they should've played better. It's not EASY to score a field goal and win it. If it was, more teams would win on that opening drive.
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#31 mjwickstrom1
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The NFL just needs to go ahead and adopt College Football's rules for OT. It's the only fair way to decide the winner of a game after regulation, plus it's exciting and great for the fans.