Two NBA Legends Retire within a week.

Allen Iverson

Career Stats: 26.7 PPG, 6.2 APG, 3.7 RPG, 2.2 SPG, 1997 Rookie of the Year, 2001 MVP, 11-Time NBA All-Star

Tracy McGrady: 

Career Stats: 19.6 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 4.4 APG, 1.2 SPG, 2001 NBA Most Improved Player, 2-Time NBA Scoring Champion, 7-Time NBA All-Star

I could see AI getting into the Hall of Fame.  

T-Mac seems kinda iffy though.

Iverson was a beast in NBA Live

I don't think AI gets into the Hall. Maybe if he practiced a little more...

Iverson's HOF speech will be pure gold.

AI is absolutely getting in the HOF. Anyone doubting it are out of their minds. McGrady may have to wait a while, but I think he'll get in. Worse players are already in the HOF anyway.

I guess I'll add this to the thread as well. Basketball reference.com Hall of Fame probability:

Iverson: 98% McGrady 52%

I guess I'll add this to the thread as well. Basketball reference.com Hall of Fame probability:

Iverson: 98% McGrady 52%

WadeFan

The thing about T-Mac is I don't know how many Hall of Famers couldn't take their team past the first round. 

The thing about T-Mac is I don't know how many Hall of Famers couldn't take their team past the first round. 

Jagged3dge

The thing about T-Mac is I don't know how many Hall of Famers couldn't take their team past the first round. 

Jagged3dge

The thing about T-Mac is I don't know how many Hall of Famers couldn't take their team past the first round. 

Jagged3dge

Chris Bosh will be in the Hall of Fame, but if he would've stayed with the Raptors his entire career, it's very much possible he never would've made it past the first round.

Well that's the funny thing about basketball.  We like to rank stars based on rings or deep playoff runs; but yet we cut certain guys some slack because "their team lagged behind them."  

LeBron and the Cavs were a key example.  Great player on a subpar team (their record was terrible once he left, which proved he was carrying) but that didn't stop the shit he was taking.

People also give Melo a hard time for his lack of success, despite only having contender quality teams on a few occassions.  He did get to the WCF though so not bad at all.

And here we give T-Mac a pass despite the guy playing with Yao Ming, a top 3 center at one point.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to get in...I'm just saying let's be a little more consistent here guys.

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

The thing about T-Mac is I don't know how many Hall of Famers couldn't take their team past the first round. 

JML897

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

The thing about T-Mac is I don't know how many Hall of Famers couldn't take their team past the first round. 

JML897

Dennis Rodman is different because he wasn't a star per say.  Instead he was an expert hustle player, probably the best one of all time.  So yeah that's a very special case.  If you're the best in a particular area of the game you have to get in.  

Chris Bosh on the Raptors was the best player on his team followed by who?  And yeah the jewelry makes that discussion very irrelevant.  We can speak what-ifs all day.

Well that's the funny thing about basketball.  We like to rank stars based on rings or deep playoff runs; but yet we cut certain guys some slack because "their team lagged behind them."  

LeBron and the Cavs were a key example.  Great player on a subpar team (their record was terrible once he left, which proved he was carrying) but that didn't stop the shit he was taking.

People also give Melo a hard time for his lack of success, despite only having contender quality teams on a few occassions.  He did get to the WCF though so not bad at all.

And here we give T-Mac a pass despite the guy playing with Yao Ming, a top 3 center at one point.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to get in...I'm just saying let's be a little more consistent here guys.

Jagged3dge

I can tell you I've never been that guy. I think Romo is great. If that doesn't exempt me from being hypocritical about this then I don't know what would. lol

Well that's the funny thing about basketball. We like to rank stars based on rings or deep playoff runs; but yet we cut certain guys some slack because "their team lagged behind them."

LeBron and the Cavs were a key example. Great player on a subpar team (their record was terrible once he left, which proved he was carrying) but that didn't stop the shit he was taking.

People also give Melo a hard time for his lack of success, despite only having contender quality teams on a few occassions. He did get to the WCF though so not bad at all.

And here we give T-Mac a pass despite the guy playing with Yao Ming, a top 3 center at one point.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to get in...I'm just saying let's be a little more consistent here guys.

Jagged3dge

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

Well that's the funny thing about basketball.  We like to rank stars based on rings or deep playoff runs; but yet we cut certain guys some slack because "their team lagged behind them."  

LeBron and the Cavs were a key example.  Great player on a subpar team (their record was terrible once he left, which proved he was carrying) but that didn't stop the shit he was taking.

People also give Melo a hard time for his lack of success, despite only having contender quality teams on a few occassions.  He did get to the WCF though so not bad at all.

And here we give T-Mac a pass despite the guy playing with Yao Ming, a top 3 center at one point.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to get in...I'm just saying let's be a little more consistent here guys.

PSP107

So then would you say entrance into the HOF is based more on individual stats rather than overall NBA team success?

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

Well that's the funny thing about basketball.  We like to rank stars based on rings or deep playoff runs; but yet we cut certain guys some slack because "their team lagged behind them."  

LeBron and the Cavs were a key example.  Great player on a subpar team (their record was terrible once he left, which proved he was carrying) but that didn't stop the shit he was taking.

People also give Melo a hard time for his lack of success, despite only having contender quality teams on a few occassions.  He did get to the WCF though so not bad at all.

And here we give T-Mac a pass despite the guy playing with Yao Ming, a top 3 center at one point.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to get in...I'm just saying let's be a little more consistent here guys.

Jagged3dge

So then would you say entrance into the HOF is based more on individual stats rather than overall NBA team success?

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"] Lebron James without the rings would be a hall a famer. Chris Bosh(if stayed with Raptors) and Melo could be hall of famers is their stats stay consistence through their remaining career. I personally thinks rings to determine a hall of famer is flawed. Its helps but it shouldn't be the deciding factor.-Halftime-

So then would you say entrance into the HOF is based more on individual stats rather than overall NBA team success?

See I partially agree with that.  I think it should be a mix of both for most cases.  Not necessarily to have championships as a necessity but at least some playoff success to go along with the exceptional stats.  If its only stats then we might as well consider guys like Kevin Love.  

But then again this is the Basketball HOF which isn't known to have any critical qualifications.  Its not like its the MLB or NFL HOF.  

So on those grounds I don't see why T-Mac shouldn't make it in. 

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

So then would you say entrance into the HOF is based more on individual stats rather than overall NBA team success?

Jagged3dge

See I partially agree with that.  I think it should be a mix of both for most cases.  Not necessarily to have championships as a necessity but at least some playoff success to go along with the exceptional stats.  If its only stats then we might as well consider guys like Kevin Love.  

But then again this is the Basketball HOF which isn't known to have any critical qualifications.  Its not like its the MLB or NFL HOF.  

So on those grounds I don't see why T-Mac shouldn't make it in. 

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"] I would say so, or it should at least be that way. IDGAF how many times people bring up rings, players like Elgin Baylor were incredible. An NBA championship is a team effort.PSP107

See I partially agree with that.  I think it should be a mix of both for most cases.  Not necessarily to have championships as a necessity but at least some playoff success to go along with the exceptional stats.  If its only stats then we might as well consider guys like Kevin Love.  

But then again this is the Basketball HOF which isn't known to have any critical qualifications.  Its not like its the MLB or NFL HOF.  

So on those grounds I don't see why T-Mac shouldn't make it in. 

Where did I say we should only go by ring count?

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

See I partially agree with that.  I think it should be a mix of both for most cases.  Not necessarily to have championships as a necessity but at least some playoff success to go along with the exceptional stats.  If its only stats then we might as well consider guys like Kevin Love.  

But then again this is the Basketball HOF which isn't known to have any critical qualifications.  Its not like its the MLB or NFL HOF.  

So on those grounds I don't see why T-Mac shouldn't make it in. 

Jagged3dge

Where did I say we should only go by ring count?

[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"] But if we go by rings, we have to consider Steve Kerr as he has 4.PSP107

Where did I say we should only go by ring count?

Oh the one where I said "IF its only stats..." 

I'm not declaring that we should go by one or the other.  I opted for a mix of both.  I thought I stated that clearly.

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

Where did I say we should only go by ring count?

Jagged3dge

Oh the one where I said "IF its only stats..." 

I'm not declaring that we should go by one or the other.  I opted for a mix of both.  I thought I stated that clearly.

[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

So then would you say entrance into the HOF is based more on individual stats rather than overall NBA team success?

Jagged3dge

See I partially agree with that.  I think it should be a mix of both for most cases.  Not necessarily to have championships as a necessity but at least some playoff success to go along with the exceptional stats.  If its only stats then we might as well consider guys like Kevin Love.  

But then again this is the Basketball HOF which isn't known to have any critical qualifications.  Its not like its the MLB or NFL HOF.  

So on those grounds I don't see why T-Mac shouldn't make it in. 

I don't give T-Mac a pass, of all the US sports basketball is the one were the individual has the biggest input. I mean, this is the lowest of lowest standards, the 1st round. Do yourself a favor and go back to all the matchups by seeding, by how he performed on potential clinching games. I did it once and there is evidence that he just failed.Master_Live

I think based on numbers, Allen Iverson definitely should make it to the Hall of Fame. Tracy McGrady most likely will as well. On a less serious note, T-MAC should make it in just based on that game against the Spurs where he scored like 13 points in 35 seconds. That was crazy! Gives me chills every time I watch it.

AI is a HOFer that should have retired 5 years ago.DaBrainz

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"] I would say so, or it should at least be that way. IDGAF how many times people bring up rings, players like Elgin Baylor were incredible. An NBA championship is a team effort.No_Hablo_Ingles

See I partially agree with that. I think it should be a mix of both for most cases. Not necessarily to have championships as a necessity but at least some playoff success to go along with the exceptional stats. If its only stats then we might as well consider guys like Kevin Love.

But then again this is the Basketball HOF which isn't known to have any critical qualifications. Its not like its the MLB or NFL HOF.

So on those grounds I don't see why T-Mac shouldn't make it in.

That wasn't my intention at all...

I'm simply saying that if stats don't equate to success then they're inflated imo. They should both fall in relation with each other when considering something like a Hall of Famer; however, that's clearly not the case. It is what it is.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]AI is a HOFer that should have retired 5 years ago.bl00dline954

[QUOTE="bl00dline954"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]AI is a HOFer that should have retired 5 years ago.PSP107

I thought the same thing.

His only problem was his indecisiveness.

Well that's the funny thing about basketball.  We like to rank stars based on rings or deep playoff runs; but yet we cut certain guys some slack because "their team lagged behind them."  

LeBron and the Cavs were a key example.  Great player on a subpar team (their record was terrible once he left, which proved he was carrying) but that didn't stop the shit he was taking.

People also give Melo a hard time for his lack of success, despite only having contender quality teams on a few occassions.  He did get to the WCF though so not bad at all.

And here we give T-Mac a pass despite the guy playing with Yao Ming, a top 3 center at one point.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to get in...I'm just saying let's be a little more consistent here guys.

Jagged3dge

I can't recall Yao Ming ever playing a full season healthy when he and McGrady played together. All I can remember was whenever one was healthy the other was injured.

A.I. is a HOFer and I guess Tmac is too even though I can see why some would argue against it.