Vick: Did he really do anything wrong?

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#1 lunney523
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I feel bad for Mike Vick. This young man has all the talent in the world and everyone is turning their back on him. For what? Dog fighting? I know that people in America love dogs, I even own a dog. But should dogfighting be the end of Vicks career? No.

After Pacman Jones "made it rain" at a Las Vegas strip club and then hit a stripper who tried to pick up the money. A fight broke out, and Pacman was reported saying "your gonna die!" but maybe with some more foul language. His entourage got kicked out of the strip club and a bouncer there was shot. He is now paralyzed for life.

Next season after Pacman serves his suspension some NFL team will give him another try, another chance. But I would be suprised if a team picked up Vick. Why? Just because he fights dogs? Give the man a 10 or 12 game suspension and let him get back to what he does best. Play football.

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#2 thisissean
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there is no guerentee that Pacman will be allowed back in the league. The personal conduct policy states that you have to earn your way back into the league. Odell Thurman's appeal was just denied so he will be missing another year because of the drug policy. This is an era of accountability in the NFL. I dont know how anyone can feel bad for Michael Vick. Say what you want about him playing again, but this man is probably headed off to jail for what he has done. If you are willing to feel sympathy for Michael Vick, I invite you to read a little about how he allegedy killed these dogs, let alone the simple act of having them fight. He will get what he deserves. He is not a sympathy figure and I cant feel bad for the guy just because he is in the public eye and has some of the best raw talent we have ever seen at the QB position. That doesnt excuse his actions and I can not wait for justice to take place.
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#3 CanadianEh
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If you think fighting dogs in an inhumane ways such as Michael Vick is alleged to be doing, you're sick. He didn't just kill these dogs. He force-fed them, he electrocuted them, and even hung them. That's sick and Vick needs help if proven guilty.
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#4 LOKI-RA
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Vick= The paris hilton of the nfl.
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#5 tmac200913
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too many Vick topics...
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#6 thisissean
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too many Vick topics...tmac200913

agreed

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#7 Legendaryscmt
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Dogfighting is a very serious thing when it's shown. Take a look at a video of dogfighting and maybe you'll see why they're going about it this way.
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#8 deactivated-614fa247a87ab
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I'll remain silent on my opinion on Vick until after his trial. After all, he's innocent until proven guilty. What really ticks me off though is this whole racially divided protesting going on outside of the courthouse in Virginia. All of those protesters need to go back to work and let the justice system take care of this. Protesting= people with no lives. They obviously don't know about the Gamespot.com forums, otherwise they'd be making a bunch of postings instead of a bunch of cardboard signs.:lol:
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#9 goodlay
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If you think fighting dogs in an inhumane ways such as Michael Vick is alleged to be doing, you're sick. He didn't just kill these dogs. He force-fed them, he electrocuted them, and even hung them. That's sick and Vick needs help if proven guilty.CanadianEh

Agreed 100%, couldn't have said it better.

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#10 Lemmywinks_360
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It's a federal crime to have dogfights, so yea he did something wrong.
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#11 NetYankEagle
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Done worry topic creator Vick only had dog fighting rings in his back yard he also only just drowned dogs in a bathtub or hell he slammed them on the floor a cople of times and even electricute them, he even made female pitbulls mate to get more dogs but hey dont worry Vick did nto do anything but kill dogs idk why he is getting in trouble by all this:roll: (ends sarcasm)
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#12 hello12367890
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Vick should be in jail let alone banned from the NFL
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#13 lunney523
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Pacman case=Man paralyzed for life

Vick case= Dead dogs

Im not saying I advocate killing dogs. I love dogs and all animals, but compared to what Pacman Jones did, Vick is geting the wrong end of the stick. That is what I was trying to convey in the topic.

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#14 Legendaryscmt
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In the end I doubt he's gonna be punished as badly as he should, after all, he's an athlete, and famous people always get off with lesser sentences than normal people. -_-
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#15 UssjTrunks
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All these supsensions are good for the CFL.
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#16 -Tish-
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So electricuting, drowning, shooting, and pouring gasoline over and setting dogs on fire isn't worth a good six years in the slammer? That's absurd.

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#17 lunney523
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6 years? are you joking? The maximum is 5 years and he shouldnt even get that
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#18 mrgab
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The All Stupid Team - QB Vick, RB Ricky Williams, CB Pacman, DT Tank
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#19 UssjTrunks
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Toronto Argonauts - QB Vick, RB Ricky Williams, CB Pacman, DT Tankmrgab

Fixed.

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#20 HalfroSamuri
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Pacman case=Man paralyzed for life

Vick case= Dead dogs

Im not saying I advocate killing dogs. I love dogs and all animals, but compared to what Pacman Jones did, Vick is geting the wrong end of the stick. That is what I was trying to convey in the topic.

lunney523

i agree that a paralyzed human out ranks dead dogs. but if vick wasnt even smart enough to distance himself (either on paper or in real life) from the people running the kinnels and taking part in the fights over the six yrs he has been in the leaguethen he deserves whatever he gets. lets just hope the peta-puffers dont file a class-action civil lawsuit on behalf of dead dogs.

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#21 NetYankEagle
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6 years? are you joking? The maximum is 5 years and he shouldnt even get thatlunney523
were th ehell did you hear the maximum is 5? people have gotten up to 20 years for animal abuse
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[QUOTE="mrgab"]Toronto Argonauts - QB Vick, RB Ricky Williams, CB Pacman, DT TankUssjTrunks

Fixed.

I agree with all of those except for Ricky Williams. He was just too smart to play football. The dude wanted to smoke some pot and told the truth. He was "englightened" by it and realized that money and football aren't everything.

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#23 fax555241
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Not Just Dogfighting he also drowned Dogs Slamed them on the ground until they died and other stuff.
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[QUOTE="lunney523"]6 years? are you joking? The maximum is 5 years and he shouldnt even get thatNetYankEagle
were th ehell did you hear the maximum is 5? people have gotten up to 20 years for animal abuse

Vicks charges carry up to 6 years and a $250,000 fine. He'll most likely get up to 1 year and a fine. He'll get his 1 year suspension, he'll get cut by the Falcons, then in 2009 he'll sign with a team, and he'll spend 5 good minutes with Wilbon and Kornheiser.

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#25 -AK47-
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I don't care what he did to the dogs or about vick himself. I just don't wanna here about him.
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#26 xbox360isgr8t
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innocent until proven guilty. that is for anyone from vick to bonds
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#27 NetYankEagle
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innocent until proven guilty. that is for anyone from vick to bondsxbox360isgr8t
cant use that crap on vick there was a dog fighting ring in his backyard unless he had that for design idk what more evidence you want
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]innocent until proven guilty. that is for anyone from vick to bondsNetYankEagle
cant use that crap on vick there was a dog fighting ring in his backyard unless he had that for design idk what more evidence you want

even if they have this that and the other thing. doesnt mean that vick's career is over. doesnt mean he is going to prison for six years. he could reach a plea deal. or could get away with it like oj.

innocent until proven guilty. if u were in his shoes u would be saying im innocent until proven guilty. or u would want people to say that. vick is just a small fish in a nasty betting sport that is dog fighting.

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#29 rabidwolf86
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dogfighting is illegal here so he should know better and he's a role model, like it or not so be smarter than buying property exclusively for dogfighting i'm done with vick.
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#30 Master_Live
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dogfighting is illegal here so he should know better and he's a role model, like it or not so be smarter than buying property exclusively for dogfighting i'm done with vick.rabidwolf86

No he's not: pro athletes=/=role model

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#31 deactivated-614fa247a87ab
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]innocent until proven guilty. that is for anyone from vick to bondsNetYankEagle
cant use that crap on vick there was a dog fighting ring in his backyard unless he had that for design idk what more evidence you want

yeah, it might have been his backyard, out of god knows how many backyards he owns because he has so many places. someone could be enjoying coke in one of donald trumps offices and he would never know because he owns so many. okay, that's stretching it a little far, but that's along the same type of idea that vicks defense will be using. but in all honesty, do i think he's guilty? well, do bears crap in the woods? exactly.

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#32 Zero-Pirate
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All these supsensions are good for the CFL.UssjTrunks

How? After the whole Ricky Williams thing, the CFL now honours NFL suspensions.

As for Vick, I hope he does see jail time. And never steps foot on a football field again.

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#33 duxup
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If the CEO of my current company was convicted of dog fighting and the horrendous acts that go along with it then he would loose his job in a minute. Vick and the CEO have something in common and that is they are there to sell a product. In this case that product is the NFL. Actions like that seriously impair their ability to do that and at the worst actually make that product look bad.

Some athletes seem to think that just running, jumping, or throwing fast is all they should have to do. The fact is that they wouldn't make a dime doing that stuff if it wasn't an entertainment business and accordingly people don't want to cheer or contribute to a business that pays a guy who goes home and maims, electrocutes, or drowns dogs.

It is seriously not hard to avoid doing such things and collect massive paychecks. Why Vick couldn't do it is beyond me...

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#34 Netherscourge
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Pacman case=Man paralyzed for life

Vick case= Dead dogs

Im not saying I advocate killing dogs. I love dogs and all animals, but compared to what Pacman Jones did, Vick is geting the wrong end of the stick. That is what I was trying to convey in the topic.

lunney523

How about THEY BOTH SHOULD BE IN JAIL...?

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#35 kdt55
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For all of you wishing Vick a permanent ban....don't hold your breath. Won't happen.
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[QUOTE="rabidwolf86"]dogfighting is illegal here so he should know better and he's a role model, like it or not so be smarter than buying property exclusively for dogfighting i'm done with vick.Master_Live

No he's not: pro athletes=/=role model

like it or not he is.
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#37 bunchofpixels
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No Vick did absolutely nothing wrong. I think the prosecutor is a Falcon fan who wanted to get rid of Vick(cant blame him) so he made up some charges.
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#38 bunchofpixels
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[QUOTE="Master_Live"]

[QUOTE="rabidwolf86"]dogfighting is illegal here so he should know better and he's a role model, like it or not so be smarter than buying property exclusively for dogfighting i'm done with vick.rabidwolf86

No he's not: pro athletes=/=role model

like it or not he is.

He definately is. He is the starting QB for an NFL franchise. Millions of people(many children) look up to him. The league has decided that they want their players to be law abiding citizens(good role models). Some of these thugs in the NFL might not like it, but they better straighten out or put in their applications at McDonalds.
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#39 bunchofpixels
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innocent until proven guilty. that is for anyone from vick to bondsxbox360isgr8t
That is in a court of law. He can still be fired, even if not convicted, as he has continuously made stupid choices. Its his own fault.
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#40 PapaGlide
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If you think fighting dogs in an inhumane ways such as Michael Vick is alleged to be doing, you're sick. He didn't just kill these dogs. He force-fed them, he electrocuted them, and even hung them. That's sick and Vick needs help if proven guilty.CanadianEh

I totally agree. He should get a year for every dog he killed. You know how many dogs they found. 55. He is a sick human being and no wonder how dumb his little brother turned out Monkey see Monkey Do

Vick is Sick. I hope he gets it in jail.

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#41 rabidwolf86
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i was a huge vick fan back then i remember his first start against the niners a few years back i thought he would be great qb but man he changed my mind this past year with all his bull. when you start becoming a cancer and not a solution you should leave. he's not even gonna be starting qb this year petrino name harrington the starter.
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#42 lunney523
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[QUOTE="CanadianEh"]If you think fighting dogs in an inhumane ways such as Michael Vick is alleged to be doing, you're sick. He didn't just kill these dogs. He force-fed them, he electrocuted them, and even hung them. That's sick and Vick needs help if proven guilty.PapaGlide

I totally agree. He should get a year for every dog he killed. You know how many dogs they found. 55. He is a sick human being and no wonder how dumb his little brother turned out Monkey see Monkey Do

Vick is Sick. I hope he gets it in jail.

In America your better off doing harm to a person than an animal.... Theres something wrong with that.

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#43 rabidwolf86
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[QUOTE="PapaGlide"]

[QUOTE="CanadianEh"]If you think fighting dogs in an inhumane ways such as Michael Vick is alleged to be doing, you're sick. He didn't just kill these dogs. He force-fed them, he electrocuted them, and even hung them. That's sick and Vick needs help if proven guilty.lunney523

I totally agree. He should get a year for every dog he killed. You know how many dogs they found. 55. He is a sick human being and no wonder how dumb his little brother turned out Monkey see Monkey Do

Vick is Sick. I hope he gets it in jail.

In America your better off doing harm to a person than an animal.... Theres something wrong with that.

don't use that bull man both are horrible but come on animals are defenseless they can't say "hey don't shoot and torture me after winning mike ya got that?"

"ya know i don't even wanna be in this dog fight but i'm a freakin animal so nevermind."

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Put it this way; if a man can watch dogs kill each other, and then drown, electricute, slam, and beat them to death for 6 years and not feel as if hes doing anything wrong, he has a serious mental condition and should be in jail or a physciatric facility. In my opinion, if you're capable of doing those things to dogs and not feel anything, then you're just as capable of doing the same things to a person and not feeling anything. I will stand by the "innocent until proven guilty" thing but lets be honest, the evidence is pilled on Vick.
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#45 trystkl1826
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For me, Vick needs to be proven guilty before I jump on the social bandwagon of attacking him. One of the things that news media has layed mention to is that opinions of his guilt or innocence are split racially.

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#46 murlow12
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People like the TC disgust me. We don't even value human life in this country, so it doesn't surprise me that you don't value the lives of animals. The funny thing is, they deserve our protection even more because they are innocent creatures. The things Vick did to those dogs is unimaginable, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Not even Vick.
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#47 murlow12
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For me, Vick needs to be proven guilty before I jump on the social bandwagon of attacking him. One of the things that news media has layed mention to is that opinions of his guilt or innocence are split racially.

trystkl1826
They always are, but that's because some people refuse to admit the obvious. You must still think that OJ is innocent, huh? Or that Bonds isn't a cheater. Why is it that certain people always think people of their own race are innocent?
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#48 kdt55
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Animals are innocent creatures, yet we shoot them for fun everyday. "Hey look Junior, theres are a bird" said Bob. "SHOOT IT" said Junior.
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I heard that.
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#50 dabear34
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Question: "Vick: Did he really do anything wrong?"

Answer: Yes. There's no way to make this look any better. Killing dogs for your own personal pleasure? That is very wrong.