Video replay in baseball...I say no

This has been a big deal in the past week or two because of the amount of missed HR calls. The guys on ESPN (Around the Horn, PTI, etc) go nuts everyday saying things like "Go to Best Buy, grab a TV for $500 and plug it in!!" But it isn't that simple, here's why I disagree: What happens to the games that are not on TV? That's where the replays come from, the TV cameras. The NFL doesn't have a problem with it because every game is on TV, and games on MNF have twice as many cameras. But there are too many baseball games to put everyone on TV (the Pirates have 125 games on local TV and I guarentee you they don't have 40 on ESPN or FOX nationally).

Just because every other league does it doesn't mean the MLB does too. Just because four umps happen to miss a call in one week doesn't mean we need it. So the Yanks fans are upset A-Rod didn't get his homerun call; are you gonna tell me that they Yankees never get a questionable call in their favor during the 161 other games? Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

On possible homerun calls, it would ok. Just dont expand too much where will be using it for strikes and balls. Most stadiums already have cameras taping it already, whether for national or local TV. Dont need too many cameras, just couple watching where to ball travels to, which they already have.

If had it years ago, replay of that Jeffrey Mayer kid would had helped the Orioles in that playoff game against the Yankees.

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

blackngold29

I assume you felt the same way with drug/steroid testing too?

Replays on HR. YEs. Replays on anything else, No.Just_Osmo

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]Replays on HR. YEs. Replays on anything else, No.-ZeRoHouR-

Agreed. home runs by Replay are easy to see, they are either a HR or not. Tags on the base are still sometimes to close to call by replay and you should just go by the Umpires call. Nevermidn the fact that umpires are standing right there. Home Runs are so far away that sometimes there is no way they can see if it hit that HR marker or missed it.

I mean hell people use the whole reasoning that it will slow down an already slow game. but everytime there is a close call we have managers arguing and umpires getting together to talk. In all fo that time we could have a retired umpire in the press box watxching the replay and just yell down what it was,.

This has been a big deal in the past week or two because of the amount of missed HR calls. The guys on ESPN (Around the Horn, PTI, etc) go nuts everyday saying things like "Go to Best Buy, grab a TV for $500 and plug it in!!" But it isn't that simple, here's why I disagree: What happens to the games that are not on TV? That's where the replays come from, the TV cameras. The NFL doesn't have a problem with it because every game is on TV, and games on MNF have twice as many cameras. But there are too many baseball games to put everyone on TV (the Pirates have 125 games on local TV and I guarentee you they don't have 40 on ESPN or FOX nationally).

Just because every other league does it doesn't mean the MLB does too. Just because four umps happen to miss a call in one week doesn't mean we need it. So the Yanks fans are upset A-Rod didn't get his homerun call; are you gonna tell me that they Yankees never get a questionable call in their favor during the 161 other games? Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

blackngold29

100 years ago we didn't have the crazy layouts of stadiums with the insane designs of the fences.

No situation in baseball warrants video replay.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

JML897

I assume you felt the same way with drug/steroid testing too?

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

blackngold29

I assume you felt the same way with drug/steroid testing too?

Steroids were first synthesized in the 1930's and the first known use by athletes was during the 1940s.

Not really that new.

Replays on HR. YEs. Replays on anything else, No.Just_Osmo

I think you could easily set up four or five camera that wouldn't need a human operator to show the outfield fence, so that would solve the non-TV problem, for those situations only though.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]Replays on HR. YEs. Replays on anything else, No.blackngold29

I think you could easily set up four or five camera that wouldn't need a human operator to show the outfield fence, so that would solve the non-TV problem, for those situations only though.

Only on Home runs to determine if it was a foul or fair home run or if it was a home run or a ground rule double (IE Fan catches the ball over the wall where it wouldnt have been a HR) Or in cases where the HR just barely makes it over the HR line but bounced back into play.

Do what the NCAA does, stick a dude in a booth with some monitors so it can be looked at quickly.

I'm inclined to agree with just looking at HRs. Of course I've watched a few recent games where my team got robbed on foul balls that clearly hit the foul line, even left an obvious mark both times. Umpires looked at it after they called it and talked about it but nothing they could do.

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

blackngold29

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

blackngold29

I assume you felt the same way with drug/steroid testing too?

Maybe not 100 years ago, but you're fooling yourself if you think steroids weren't available in the 70s.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

JML897

I assume you felt the same way with drug/steroid testing too?

Maybe not 100 years ago, but you're fooling yourself if you think steroids weren't available in the 70s.

1940's was when athletes were starting to be given steroids.

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

Just_Osmo

I assume you felt the same way with drug/steroid testing too?

Maybe not 100 years ago, but you're fooling yourself if you think steroids weren't available in the 70s.

1940's was when athletes were starting to be given steroids.

So, we shouldn't change the way we've done something for a 100 years just for what? Tradition? Like you'd rather football players wear leather helmets, basketball players wear extremely high shorts, or goalies look like Jason again? I don't think so, well maybe no the Jason part.

Anyway, that's what technology is for, it makes those things we used to have to struggle to do easier. Like others have said, it can be hard to see where a tiny ball lands in the distance with any accuracy. We know at home seconds after it happens if the ball was fair, hit the staircase, or top of the wall. Get the call right, because eventually someone would've gotten robbed and lost an important game.

eventually someone would've gotten robbed and lost an important game.Eman5805

Which is perfectly okay. Unlike basketball and football, baseball still retains an image of: at the end of the day, it's all just a game. Keep video replay out of baseball.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

Master_Jdog

I assume you felt the same way with drug/steroid testing too?

Maybe not 100 years ago, but you're fooling yourself if you think steroids weren't available in the 70s.

1940's was when athletes were starting to be given steroids.

Read the link i gave. Steroids were first synthesized in the 1930's and were introduced to athletes in the 40's.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/ster01.htm

I can understand some of the "traditon" arguments. I would HATE to see balls and strikes called by a computer or something like that.

Having said that I think instant replay for home runs makes sense.

[QUOTE="Master_Jdog"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

Just_Osmo

I assume you felt the same way with drug/steroid testing too?

Maybe not 100 years ago, but you're fooling yourself if you think steroids weren't available in the 70s.

1940's was when athletes were starting to be given steroids.

Read the link i gave. Steroids were first synthesized in the 1930's and were introduced to athletes in the 40's.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/ster01.htm

I think it should be used for calls that the umpires have to talk about, that way they wouldn't slow down the game more than it already was. keep it away from the strikezone though, I would hate for the human element to be taken away from it.

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="Master_Jdog"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Baseball has been doing just fine for over 100 years (longer than most sports) with no big rule changes; why change it now?

Master_Jdog

I assume you felt the same way with drug/steroid testing too?

Maybe not 100 years ago, but you're fooling yourself if you think steroids weren't available in the 70s.

1940's was when athletes were starting to be given steroids.

Read the link i gave. Steroids were first synthesized in the 1930's and were introduced to athletes in the 40's.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/ster01.htm

So you think one type of athletes knew about them but not others? Please. If one type of athlete is using something other atheletes certainly are. Im not saying it was a rampid thing but im sure some basbeall players back then were being prescribed this new "wonder drug" to help them.

[QUOTE="Eman5805"]eventually someone would've gotten robbed and lost an important game.Oleg_Huzwog

Which is perfectly okay. Unlike basketball and football, baseball still retains an image of: at the end of the day, it's all just a game. Keep video replay out of baseball.

No offense, but that's a load. It's just a game when you're in little league playing with one bat per team and a bad homerun call decides the outcome. Those things don't apply when owners are spending millions of dollars to win games. I'd love to see someone say "It's just a game, afterall" to the losing team that by all accounts but the scoreboard, won the game. I highly doubt you'll find someone sharing your sentiment, my friend.

Just two differing opinions here.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Eman5805"]eventually someone would've gotten robbed and lost an important game.Eman5805

Which is perfectly okay. Unlike basketball and football, baseball still retains an image of: at the end of the day, it's all just a game. Keep video replay out of baseball.

No offense, but that's a load. It's just a game when you're in little league playing with one bat per team and a bad homerun call decides the outcome. Those things don't apply when owners are spending millions of dollars to win games. I'd love to see someone say "It's just a game, afterall" to the losing team that by all accounts but the scoreboard, won the game. I highly doubt you'll find someone sharing your sentiment, my friend.

Just two differing opinions here.

Well, Manny Ramierez does lol.

"If it doesn't happen, so, who cares?" Ramirez said. "There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."

His quote when the Sox were down last year 1-3 int he series vs the indians.

Those things don't apply when owners are spending millions of dollars to win games.Eman5805

MLB owners don't spend money to win games. They spend money to win fans and boost revenue. So I guess those things DO apply.

I don't want any replays, ever. And I also don't want computers taking over for real, living, breathing umpires. What are you guys trying to do to my traditional old national pastime?murlow12

What does an Umpire int he booth for home run replays have to do with computers?

What does an Umpire int he booth for home run replays have to do with computers?

Just_Osmo

It's a natural extension of video replay that uses the same argument for implementation.

A few homerun calls are blown and everyone is up in arms over it, kind of like with that 20 plus inning game the Padres had were some people thought baseball needs to be shorten, let's be honest here, it doesn't happen that often and therefore, because it doesn't happen that often, there really is no need for change. And you can't compare steroids to replay, the logic for implementing drug testing and video replay is completely differentmidgetman007

All we need is during a playoff game for a homerun call be be missed. Why risk it? lets get it fixxed now.

[QUOTE="midgetman007"]A few homerun calls are blown and everyone is up in arms over it, kind of like with that 20 plus inning game the Padres had were some people thought baseball needs to be shorten, let's be honest here, it doesn't happen that often and therefore, because it doesn't happen that often, there really is no need for change. And you can't compare steroids to replay, the logic for implementing drug testing and video replay is completely differentJust_Osmo

All we need is during a playoff game for a homerun call be be missed. Why risk it? lets get it fixxed now.

Yar, dude in a booth with some TV who can fix HR calls. He wouldn't be used much but it wouldn't take much effort to put it in place either.

All we need is during a playoff game for a homerun call be be missed. Why risk it? lets get it fixxed now.Just_Osmo

That's already happened. Jeffrey Maier, anyone?

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]All we need is during a playoff game for a homerun call be be missed. Why risk it? lets get it fixxed now.Oleg_Huzwog

That's already happened. Jeffrey Maier, anyone?

[QUOTE="murlow12"]I don't want any replays, ever. And I also don't want computers taking over for real, living, breathing umpires. What are you guys trying to do to my traditional old national pastime?Just_Osmo

What does an Umpire int he booth for home run replays have to do with computers?

Notice how when I changed the subject from replays to computers I said "and I ALSO...". That generally means that the subject is being changed. :roll:

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]I don't want any replays, ever. And I also don't want computers taking over for real, living, breathing umpires. What are you guys trying to do to my traditional old national pastime?murlow12

What does an Umpire int he booth for home run replays have to do with computers?

Notice how when I changed the subject from replays to computers I said "and I ALSO...". That generally means that the subject is being changed. :roll:

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]I don't want any replays, ever. And I also don't want computers taking over for real, living, breathing umpires. What are you guys trying to do to my traditional old national pastime?Master_Jdog

What does an Umpire int he booth for home run replays have to do with computers?

Notice how when I changed the subject from replays to computers I said "and I ALSO...". That generally means that the subject is being changed. :roll:

[QUOTE="Master_Jdog"][QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]I don't want any replays, ever. And I also don't want computers taking over for real, living, breathing umpires. What are you guys trying to do to my traditional old national pastime?murlow12

What does an Umpire int he booth for home run replays have to do with computers?

Notice how when I changed the subject from replays to computers I said "and I ALSO...". That generally means that the subject is being changed. :roll:

Guys i think we can all agree that if Instant replay would get the call right nearly every time.Master_Jdog

[QUOTE="Master_Jdog"] Guys i think we can all agree that if Instant replay would get the call right nearly every time.blackngold29

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]All we need is during a playoff game for a homerun call be be missed. Why risk it? lets get it fixxed now.blackngold29

That's already happened. Jeffrey Maier, anyone?

Nah, interference plays on HRs would be reviewed. Anything to do with Hoem Runs.

[QUOTE="Eman5805"]Those things don't apply when owners are spending millions of dollars to win games.Oleg_Huzwog

MLB owners don't spend money to win games. They spend money to win fans and boost revenue. So I guess those things DO apply.

Rrrright, and what gets wins fans and boosts revenue the most? You know that thing the whole object of any sport EVER is?

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]All we need is during a playoff game for a homerun call be be missed. Why risk it? lets get it fixxed now.Just_Osmo

That's already happened. Jeffrey Maier, anyone?

Nah, interference plays on HRs would be reviewed. Anything to do with Hoem Runs.

ANYTHING?!?!?

If only we had that system and a brave reviewer when Bonds was hitting home runs.

"Sorry no home run, this guy has been clearly on the roids for years!"

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]All we need is during a playoff game for a homerun call be be missed. Why risk it? lets get it fixxed now.Just_Osmo

That's already happened. Jeffrey Maier, anyone?

Nah, interference plays on HRs would be reviewed. Anything to do with Hoem Runs.

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Master_Jdog"][QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Just_Osmo"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"]I don't want any replays, ever. And I also don't want computers taking over for real, living, breathing umpires. What are you guys trying to do to my traditional old national pastime?Master_Jdog

What does an Umpire int he booth for home run replays have to do with computers?

Notice how when I changed the subject from replays to computers I said "and I ALSO...". That generally means that the subject is being changed. :roll:

Sometimes debating on GS is so frustrating...