Was Michael Vick a bust?

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#1 monkeytoes61
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He never really could throw the ball well, but was electrifying when he ran. He took Atlanta to an NFC Championship game, but dragged the franchise down with legal issues. So, was Michal Vick a bust?

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#2 Major_Snake
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He has a cannon for an arm, but not that accurate or a good field presence as a passer. He was the main show in Atlanta for a while winning some games, sure he brought some negative feedback but they were a better team. However now that they have guys like Turner and Ryan, he isn't really missed.

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#3 Chutebox
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Yes.

He's a guy who can run fast and throw a ball at average or below accuracy.

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#4 QuistisTrepe_
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He was a huge bust. I was always scratching my head as to why people were so impressed by Vick's flashiness and not by Donovan McNabb's professionalism and intangibles.

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#5 heysharpshooter
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Yes.

He never had back to back winning seasons, was arguably the least accurate QB in NFL history, and murder pit bulls for fun.

BUT he was SOOOO exciting...(ESPN)

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#6 flowersjf
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Nah, he filled the Georgia Dome every Sunday and made Atlanta a football town since the Hawks weren't that good back when he was down there. Yeah he scrambled a lot but he was a decent passer as well. Defensive coordinators were always focused on stopping Vick every week and they couldn't. He was one of the most dynamic players during his time when he was a starting QB.
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#7 CleanPlayer
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Yea, he's a could've been. It's a shame how guys who are so talently gifted have the wrong attitude and no heart. That's Vick for ya.
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#8 Mister__Awesome
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He wasnt a bust, but he didn't reach his full potential either. He is more of a "What if..." type draft pick.
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#9 xbox360isgr8t
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his legal troubles and personal decisions ruined his career. I felt like he could have been coming into his own but it was a huge set back for him to get into trouble. He got busted but is not a bust because we will never know if he can be great unless given another real opportunity.
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#10 Boston_Boyy
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Probably for the most part, though it mostly has to do with the jail thing, he was a starter for the Falcons for 6 years and they wanted to probably get 12-15 from him. If he'd stayed in the league and continued to perform where he left off he'd be a disappointment, mostly because it's pretty hard to live up to being #1, but still not a bust, however he still did what was expected in many ways (be by far the best rushing QB in the league, lead Falcons to playoffs, put up respectable passing numbers) I mean he was far from a failure while he was playing.

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#11 MoonMarvel
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No. He is what was expected of him. He lived up to what was expected. I doubt any really thought he could throw the ball.
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#12 X360PS3AMD05
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Poll? Yes
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#13 monkeytoes61
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Maybe he would have become a better passer with time and age. It happened to Steve Young. As he got older and couldn't run the same way, he buckled down and improved his passing even more.
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#14 Knowledge33
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He wasnt a bust, but he didn't reach his full potential either. He is more of a "What if..." type draft pick.Mister__Awesome

I agree. I actually think that before he was arrested, that would have been his break out year because he was going to be allowed to call audibles.

At least Vick went to the playoffs which is something that many quarterbacks don't do.

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#15 Knowledge33
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his legal troubles and personal decisions ruined his career. I felt like he could have been coming into his own but it was a huge set back for him to get into trouble. He got busted but is not a bust because we will never know if he can be great unless given another real opportunity. xbox360isgr8t

Yep, we will never know his true potential because the trouble with the dog fighting but a big dent into his career. I hope that he gets another chance to shine.

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#16 JML897
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I doubt any really thought he could throw the ball.MoonMarvel

I doubt the Falcons used their overall #1 pick on a QB who they knew wouldn't be able to throw.

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#17 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]his legal troubles and personal decisions ruined his career. I felt like he could have been coming into his own but it was a huge set back for him to get into trouble. He got busted but is not a bust because we will never know if he can be great unless given another real opportunity. Knowledge33

Yep, we will never know his true potential because the trouble with the dog fighting but a big dent into his career. I hope that he gets another chance to shine.

We saw his true potential. He could run really fast when the defense is covering the wide outs and he can throw a ball inaccurately.

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#18 Yanks2740
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Matt Lienart is a bust. NObody wanted to see him. Before Vick got in trouble, people looked at him as a great QB. This is like Tiger woods. Hes the best till something bad happens and THEN everyone sees the negative,

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#19 Logan1616
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No, he wasn't a bust.
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#20 johnnyblazed88
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yep all you have to know is the falcons just got 2 winning seasons in a row in 50+ yrs and it tookmatt ryan to do it

and yes by winning season i mean 9-7 vick never had back to back winning seasons thats inconsitent

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#21 JML897
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Before Vick got in trouble, people looked at him as a great QB.

Yanks2740

That's not really true. He was pretty polarizing even before he got in trouble; there were some who insisted that he was really good, but just as many people thought he was a bad quarterback.

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#22 Master_Shane
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He was a bust when he went to jail. I thought he was improving a little in passing in the last year with Atlanta and might've been able to take his game to another level by now if he hadn't missed those years of football.

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#23 MoonMarvel
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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]I doubt any really thought he could throw the ball.JML897

I doubt the Falcons used their overall #1 pick on a QB who they knew wouldn't be able to throw.

Ever heard of a work in progress? They drafted him more based on his amazing scrambling skills, everybody knew he was a below average passer.
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#24 RenegadePatriot
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He always was a bust, all he could do is run and thats about it. When he passed the ball he was just hoping that one of his receivers caught the ball.
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#25 bytgames
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When he passed the ball he was just hoping that one of his receivers caught the ball.RenegadePatriot
and thats any different than, drew brees, tom brady, peyton manning how?

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#26 monkeytoes61
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To be fair, Michael Vick never had a great WR to throw to.
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#27 Chutebox
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He always was a bust, all he could do is run and thats about it. When he passed the ball he was just hoping that one of his receivers caught the ball.RenegadePatriot
Yup, he had pretty bad accuracy when he's not dumping it off to a RB.
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#28 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"] When he passed the ball he was just hoping that one of his receivers caught the ball.bytgames

and thats any different than, drew brees, tom brady, peyton manning how?

They actually have good accuracy and put the ball where it needs to be most of the time.
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#29 DJ_Magneto
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[QUOTE="Yanks2740"]

Before Vick got in trouble, people looked at him as a great QB.

JML897

That's not really true. He was pretty polarizing even before he got in trouble; there were some who insisted that he was really good, but just as many people thought he was a bad quarterback.

He was never thought of as a great QB. There have been plenty of scrambling QBs in the past, but he was just a wild card because of his speed and athleticism. He was exciting to watch, but that's about it.
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#30 flowersjf
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To be fair, Michael Vick never had a great WR to throw to.monkeytoes61
That's true, he only had Roddy White as a true, legitimate receiver.
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#31 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]To be fair, Michael Vick never had a great WR to throw to.flowersjf
That's true, he only had Roddy White as a true, legitimate receiver.

If I'm not mistaken he also had a good TE and RB...I have a crap memory so I can't remember the names.
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#32 Mister__Awesome
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[QUOTE="flowersjf"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]To be fair, Michael Vick never had a great WR to throw to.Chutebox
That's true, he only had Roddy White as a true, legitimate receiver.

If I'm not mistaken he also had a good TE and RB...I have a crap memory so I can't remember the names.

Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett in the backfield, which I believe was the first time this decade and first team to feature two RBs like they are today (Going against the trend back then of workhorse RBs) and he had Alge Crumpler whom went to the Pro Bowl under Mike Vick.
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#33 Yanks2740
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Well he was good enough to lead his team to an NFC Championship Game thats a game away from what a team hopes for. Ryan Leaf was a bust. Michael Vick was not a bust. O also if everyone knew he was a below average passer BEFORE the NFL, how is he a bust? he lived up to the low pass high run expectations he had

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#34 Major_Snake
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Yeah I doubt he was drafted to be an elite passer. He was drafted as A Talented football player (mainly) to bring in sales, winning games must've been a bonus, when he did at least.

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Not a bust. Leaf, Russell, Akili Smith, numerous Lions WRs, Carr, Harrington. Now those are busts.
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#36 i5750at4Ghz
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Vick was a beast. Bust my ass. He did what a QB was suppose to do and thats win games, and on a less than average team. If not for the BS that happened to him I have no doubt the falcons would have a SB win by now.
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#37 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Mister__Awesome"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="flowersjf"] That's true, he only had Roddy White as a true, legitimate receiver.

If I'm not mistaken he also had a good TE and RB...I have a crap memory so I can't remember the names.

Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett in the backfield, which I believe was the first time this decade and first team to feature two RBs like they are today (Going against the trend back then of workhorse RBs) and he had Alge Crumpler whom went to the Pro Bowl under Mike Vick.

Thanks, so no more excuses for him. He just isn't a good QB.
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#38 hartsickdiscipl
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He was a bust in the eyes of many, but not that big a bust in my eyes. I just never thought he'd be all that great to start with. I had a chance to watch him alot in college, and I never thought he'd be as good a pro QB as someone like Donovan McNabb. He has (at least HAD) incredible speed and elusiveness for a QB, but has never been a very accurate passer. Actually a piss-poor passer by NFL standards, despite his cannon for an arm. He has always been very immature as well, and not very smart.

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Not a bust. Leaf, Russell, Akili Smith, numerous Lions WRs, Carr, Harrington. Now those are busts. HurricaneHugo

I don't place the blame on David Carr. He got sacked so much his first few years in the league that he never had the chance to be any good in the NFL.

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[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]To be fair, Michael Vick never had a great WR to throw to.flowersjf
That's true, he only had Roddy White as a true, legitimate receiver.

Nonsense. Tom Brady came within a hair of going back to the Super Bowl back in '06 with Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell as his starting WRs.

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[QUOTE="flowersjf"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]To be fair, Michael Vick never had a great WR to throw to.QuistisTrepe_

That's true, he only had Roddy White as a true, legitimate receiver.

Nonsense. Tom Brady came within a hair of going back to the Super Bowl back in '06 with Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell as his starting WRs.

And Vick did the same in 05.
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#42 Yannakos
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If vick didn't get in trouble with the whole dog fighting scenario... we might be having a conversation of all-time list of players who changed the game.

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[QUOTE="flowersjf"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]To be fair, Michael Vick never had a great WR to throw to.QuistisTrepe_

That's true, he only had Roddy White as a true, legitimate receiver.

Nonsense. Tom Brady came within a hair of going back to the Super Bowl back in '06 with Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell as his starting WRs.

Yeah thats true but by no means is Vick a Tom Brady.
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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="flowersjf"] That's true, he only had Roddy White as a true, legitimate receiver.i5750at4Ghz

Nonsense. Tom Brady came within a hair of going back to the Super Bowl back in '06 with Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell as his starting WRs.

And Vick did the same in 05.

Vick had two good RBs and a very good TE too.
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#45 Chutebox
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If vick didn't get in trouble with the whole dog fighting scenario... we might be having a conversation of all-time list of players who changed the game.

Yannakos
Lol, no chance.
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#46 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Nonsense. Tom Brady came within a hair of going back to the Super Bowl back in '06 with Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell as his starting WRs.

Chutebox

And Vick did the same in 05.

Vick had two good RBs and a very good TE too.

And brady had a top 3 defense.

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#47 Yannakos
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[QUOTE="Yannakos"]

If vick didn't get in trouble with the whole dog fighting scenario... we might be having a conversation of all-time list of players who changed the game.

Chutebox

Lol, no chance.

No chance you say?

Michael Vick has accomplished one thing no other QB has ever done before, thats rush for 1000+ yards in a season and throw for almost 2500 yards 20 TDs.

He is just simply, unlike any other quarterback whom ever played the game. He had quickness and speed unlick no other at the position. He clearly had a chance to do some great things until that stupid incident with dog fighting.

That not enough for ya?? The stats don't lie.

http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelvick/profile?id=VIC311467

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Yannakos"]

If vick didn't get in trouble with the whole dog fighting scenario... we might be having a conversation of all-time list of players who changed the game.

Yannakos

Lol, no chance.

No chance you say?

Michael Vick has accomplished one thing no other QB has ever done before, thats rush for 1000+ yards in a season and throw for almost 2500 yards 20 TDs.

He is just simply, unlike any other quarterback whom ever played the game. He had quickness and speed unlick no other at the position. He clearly had a chance to do some great things until that stupid incident with dog fighting.

That not enough for ya?? The stats don't lie.

http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelvick/profile?id=VIC311467

I think I would take Randall Cunningham as my running QB.
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[QUOTE="flowersjf"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]To be fair, Michael Vick never had a great WR to throw to.QuistisTrepe_

That's true, he only had Roddy White as a true, legitimate receiver.

Nonsense. Tom Brady came within a hair of going back to the Super Bowl back in '06 with Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell as his starting WRs.

Jabar Gaffney actually played pretty well those playoffs, it was Reche Caldwell that dropped 2 potential TD passes. Also, you cant compare Vick to Brady. That is like comparing Montana to Ryan Leaf. There is no comparison.

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[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"][QUOTE="Yannakos"]

Lol, no chance.Chutebox

No chance you say?

Michael Vick has accomplished one thing no other QB has ever done before, thats rush for 1000+ yards in a season and throw for almost 2500 yards 20 TDs.

He is just simply, unlike any other quarterback whom ever played the game. He had quickness and speed unlick no other at the position. He clearly had a chance to do some great things until that stupid incident with dog fighting.

That not enough for ya?? The stats don't lie.

http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelvick/profile?id=VIC311467

I think I would take Randall Cunningham as my running QB.

Him and Steve Young.